The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: BillyBob on January 17, 2014, 06:43:56 PM
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How do you explain how I can get on an airplane and fly around the earth? Anyone can do this and not fall off the edge. Come at me with your excuses.
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Circumnavigation is accomplished by moving in a circle around the earth. This works the same on a flat earth as on a spherical one. Not a confusing concept, really.
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Then, how is it possible to circumnavigate in any direction? It is only possible on a sphere. Checkmate.
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How do you explain how I can get on an airplane and fly around the earth?
Please show me a flight that does that. Which airline?
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Then, how is it possible to circumnavigate in any direction? It is only possible on a sphere. Checkmate.
Is it? Please, enlighten me as to the scores of people who have completed a circumpolar navigation?
I'll save you the search. There was only one, the Transglobal Expedition, which departed the south pole and arrived at the south pole. They merely crossed the surface of the disc.
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Of course they don't do it on a regular basis, because it is cold over the Poles and is therefore dangerous to fly over. It is possible, though, and people have done it.
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Of course they don't do it on a regular basis, because it is cold over the Poles and is therefore dangerous to fly over. It is possible, though, and people have done it.
Again... who are these people?
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Scientists fly over the Poles everyday. Do I really need to waste my time looking for details for you, or will you just concede that this is a fact?
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Scientists fly over the Poles everyday. Do I really need to waste my time looking for details for you, or will you just concede that this is a fact?
Look at our model of the flat earth. Flight over the North Pole is easy and many flights do this. However no airline flies over the South Pole. Which is easily explained when you consider the South Pole is the rim of the earth.
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Of course they don't do it on a regular basis, because it is cold over the Poles and is therefore dangerous to fly over. It is possible, though, and people have done it.
Again... who are these people?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transglobe_Expedition
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2008-12-31/tag-global-claims-record-polar-circumnavigation
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Of course they don't do it on a regular basis, because it is cold over the Poles and is therefore dangerous to fly over. It is possible, though, and people have done it.
Again... who are these people?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transglobe_Expedition
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2008-12-31/tag-global-claims-record-polar-circumnavigation
Why don't you go back to .org Markjo? They miss you.
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Of course they don't do it on a regular basis, because it is cold over the Poles and is therefore dangerous to fly over. It is possible, though, and people have done it.
Again... who are these people?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transglobe_Expedition
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2008-12-31/tag-global-claims-record-polar-circumnavigation
Why don't you go back to .org Markjo? They miss you.
Why don't you stay on topic, Thork?
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Go away. >o<
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If you went to the south pole, Thork, would you then agree that the earth is spherical?
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That would not be conclusive evidence.
As you can see from the flat earth model below, a South Pole is not evidence of a round earth.
(http://gisweb.athena.bcit.ca/students/kwhitmarsh/flatearth.png)
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That would not be conclusive evidence.
As you can see from the flat earth model below, a South Pole is not evidence of a round earth.
(http://gisweb.athena.bcit.ca/students/kwhitmarsh/flatearth.png)
lol, that is the same map that you said was dreadful. Only Tom and Lord Wilmore believe in that map. You went on and on about how stupid the map is, yet, now you try to present it here, for what reason?
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Correct, I hate that map, but I couldn't rule out a flat earth just by visiting the south pole. That's why FET is a comprehensive study of earth's shape.
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The only map that makes perfect sense is a globe. You can be in denial all that you want; however, I am telling you that a flat map is just a representation of a globe.
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That would not be conclusive evidence.
As you can see from the flat earth model below, a South Pole is not evidence of a round earth.
(http://gisweb.athena.bcit.ca/students/kwhitmarsh/flatearth.png)
And the shape of Australia is consistent with actual measurements?
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That would not be conclusive evidence.
As you can see from the flat earth model below, a South Pole is not evidence of a round earth.
(http://gisweb.athena.bcit.ca/students/kwhitmarsh/flatearth.png)
And the shape of Australia is consistent with actual measurements?
No, of course not. This map is heavily distorted and even those who subscribe to it (I'm not one of them) will admit as much.
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Where is a map that is not distorted?
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Are there any maps in the world that are not distorted?
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Where is a map that is not distorted?
Nowhere. Even "round earth" maps have distortion because all spatial projections are inherently distorted. And yes, that includes globes, round-earthers.
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A globe suffers from the least amount of distortion for RE maps. Which FE map suffers the least distortion?
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A globe suffers from the least amount of distortion for RE maps. Which FE map suffers the least distortion?
I'm not a cartographer. Are you?
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markjo is an internet wise guy.
markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes? Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
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markjo is an internet wise guy.
markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes? Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
Why do they not use a flat earth map which would be 100% accurate on a sheet of paper.
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markjo is an internet wise guy.
markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes? Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
Why do they not use a flat earth map which would be 100% accurate on a sheet of paper.
Maps, in fact, are flat, so they do. Maps used for navigation, however, are not of the entire earth. That would be silly.
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markjo is an internet wise guy.
markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes? Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
Why do they not use a flat earth map which would be 100% accurate on a sheet of paper.
Maps, in fact, are flat, so they do. Maps used for navigation, however, are not of the entire earth. That would be silly.
A flat map is not a flat earth map. There is no FE map that is anything more than an appropriation of a RE projection.
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markjo is an internet wise guy.
markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes? Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
Why do they not use a flat earth map which would be 100% accurate on a sheet of paper.
Maps, in fact, are flat, so they do. Maps used for navigation, however, are not of the entire earth. That would be silly.
A flat map is not a flat earth map. There is no FE map that is anything more than an appropriation of a RE projection.
Meaningless and fallacious. One could just as easily say that a globe is just a spherical projection of a flat earth map. All maps are projections, no one is "appropriating" anything.
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Fallacious? Why would you say that? Are you trying to contend that the maps that are found in atlases were created by FE believers? Are you telling me that either the Northern polar projection or the bipolar map is a scale and accurate depiction of a FE?
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A globe suffers from the least amount of distortion for RE maps. Which FE map suffers the least distortion?
I'm not a cartographer. Are you?
Irrelevant. You don't need to be a cartographer to know how maps work.
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A globe suffers from the least amount of distortion for RE maps. Which FE map suffers the least distortion?
I'm not a cartographer. Are you?
Irrelevant. You don't need to be a cartographer to know how maps work.
But in order to accurately judge the nature and extent of spatial distortion in one, you do.
Fallacious? Why would you say that? Are you trying to contend that the maps that are found in atlases were created by FE believers? Are you telling me that either the Northern polar projection or the bipolar map is a scale and accurate depiction of a FE?
They may have been, I don't know. I'm not asserting that any map is true and accurate (in fact, the opposite), I'm only disputing your use of the word "appropriation."
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But in order to accurately judge the nature and extent of spatial distortion in one, you do.
??? Why? That sounds more like a mathematical concern than a geographic one.
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The only map that makes perfect sense is a globe. You can be in denial all that you want; however, I am telling you that a flat map is just a representation of a globe.
And you can be in denial all you want , but any of those so-called flat earth maps are simply copies of well known projections of a globe. There is no accurate flat earth map of the earth simply because the earth is not flat, and you can be in denial of that all you want, too. But that is what flat earth society is based - denial.
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markjo is an internet wise guy.
markjo, if the globe is so accurate, why are they not standard features on ships and planes? Do the captains and navigators not want the most accurate navigational aids possible?
JFWIW. Ships have chart rooms. Chart rooms have drawers and drawers of sectional charts. These sectional charts are made from relatively small areas of the earth to minimize distortion. These sectional charts are made from projections of a globe. These are the most accurate navigational aids possible.
If flat earth maps were accurate, there would be no need for projections. But the truth of the matter is that any flat earth is really just a copy of one of the various projections of a globe. But like calling things "fake" fe is just going to be in denial.
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That would not be conclusive evidence.
As you can see from the flat earth model below, a South Pole is not evidence of a round earth.
(http://gisweb.athena.bcit.ca/students/kwhitmarsh/flatearth.png)
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One more time. ;D It is simply just another copy of one type of a projection made from a globe with the inherent inaccuracies and distortions of sizes and shapes. It is simply evidence of a projection made from a globe, which is evidence of a round earth. But this is in reality and reality evidently has no place on this website based on fantasy.
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That would not be conclusive evidence.
As you can see from the flat earth model below, a South Pole is not evidence of a round earth.
(http://gisweb.athena.bcit.ca/students/kwhitmarsh/flatearth.png)
One more time. ;D It is simply just another copy of one type of a projection made from a globe with the inherent inaccuracies and distortions of sizes and shapes. It is simply evidence of a projection made from a globe, which is evidence of a round earth. But this is in reality and reality evidently has no place on this website based on fantasy.
Let me add to your observation.
A South Pole is indeed evidence of RET. It was predicted and subsequently (according to Tom Bishop) discovered. I suspect that like Thork's lack of understanding of acceleration, he doesn't understand what scientific evidence is. I guess that he meant "conclusive evidence", which is hardly the point. In Science there is no strictly conclusive evidence anyway.
A South Pole does destroy EnaG, even though Rowbotham claimed that his conclusion that the "South Pole" was actually a large circle was beyond all contradiction, given the Zetetic Method.
The "model" in Thork's post is really quite silly. I challenge any FEer who supports this model to locate the Sun (what part of the model is it over) at 1200 ZT for any day in July and then explain how the Sun manages to illuminate the distant Australia but not the closer UK.