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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Projects => Topic started by: Svetlana on September 27, 2021, 05:37:53 PM

Title: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 27, 2021, 05:37:53 PM
Hello!

We are your friends from Russia and Europe.

We decided to create a club and conduct research. We are sure that the earth is not a ball. In a week or two, we will launch a balloon with a good camera for 30 kilometers, and we want to see how far our camera will shoot objects. We will launch the balloon in Siberia, not far from the Arctic circle.

We have translated several of our videos into English to find like-minded people in the world

Ower cennel in EN: www.youtube.com/
channel/UC-d1QPzRvpLCZRMc5LbsOUg
in RU:
channel/UCHCslaJzksQKir8_wlFHhLw


Horizon project. Q&A. A conversation with the project lead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f21ysv8WafY&t=652s
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 27, 2021, 08:13:21 PM
The project of launching a ball with equipment to the maximum possible height.

Target: Photo-video fixation of the earth's surface. Calculation of the distance between two points with 3 coordinates. Visualization of the received calculations on the map.

Task: Raise the controlled video camera to the maximum possible height above the ground. Provide communication-exchange with a digital video camera in real time (at least 500 kilobits from the camera, and at least 5 kilobits to the camera for digital, or analog control)

Selected equipment:
Ball - NS-2000 - Allows to lift 3 kg for 32 km or 5 kg for 30 km

Parachute 150 cm - Allows you to lower from 2 kg to 5 kg of load.

Box - for mounting equipment and attaching to the ball

The electronics heating system is electric.

Satellite Beacon - Spot Gen 3
Battery - assembled from elements tested both in the stratosphere and in space 12V 3400mA / h

Communication + control - long-range communication / control system TBS Crossfire up to 100 km

Controllable camera - FH336 V2

As for the payload, we will start from the selected equipment (it is possible to launch several balls in a bundle to increase the carrying capacity)


1. A special online computer program is used to calculate (determine) the expected landing site of the equipment.

2. The necessary equipment for selection is available: bolt rover, ATV, paraglider (for target detection from the air).

3. GPS beacon satellite for determining coordinates anywhere in the world (not tied to the GSM network, does not depend on telephone towers).

4. For the safe descent of equipment, a parachute is provided; if it fails, the body is made of shock-resistant floating materials (the box is sealed with a heating system and internal air circulation).

5. The box is not transparent. A protective dome light (acrylic shockproof housing) is used for the camera. Project status: at the stage of assembling the structure

Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: nthurd on September 28, 2021, 01:18:05 PM
Hi, could you visualize your expected results? Based on your current model of Earth vs. based on "ball" model?
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 28, 2021, 09:01:00 PM
Hi, could you visualize your expected results? Based on your current model of Earth vs. based on "ball" model?

We expect to see objects at a great distance of 700-2000 kilometers. it cannot be seen on a spherical plane
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: nthurd on September 29, 2021, 06:32:21 AM
A hypothetical question. Would not seeing these objects prove to you the Earth is a ball or rather that there are some "unknown forces" hiding the objects from you?
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 29, 2021, 09:36:33 AM
A hypothetical question. Would not seeing these objects prove to you the Earth is a ball or rather that there are some "unknown forces" hiding the objects from you?

we do not prove, we want to see and analyze
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Pete Svarrior on September 29, 2021, 09:59:38 AM
we do not prove, we want to see and analyze
Spoken like a true Zetetic. Best of luck to you and your team!
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Tumeni on September 29, 2021, 03:05:27 PM
When you say "for 30 kilometers", please clarify - are you saying you will be going to a height / altitude of 30km? 

If not, what height do you expect to reach?

Could I ask where the launch site will be?
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: stevecanuck on September 29, 2021, 03:08:35 PM

Do you have a launch date?
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 29, 2021, 07:51:47 PM

Do you have a launch date?


Now we are waiting for the weather with clear skies, no clouds. Hopefully in a couple of weeks
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 29, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
When you say "for 30 kilometers", please clarify - are you saying you will be going to a height / altitude of 30km? 

If not, what height do you expect to reach?

Could I ask where the launch site will be?

altitude of 30km

https://goo.gl/maps/hCyPDGETpiYqdMi67
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 29, 2021, 08:08:23 PM
https://geoman.group/media/categories/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0.9/

our equipment
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 29, 2021, 08:09:43 PM
we want to see Baikal, Novaya Zemlya, and maybe Greenland
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Tumeni on September 29, 2021, 10:36:45 PM
we want to see Baikal, Novaya Zemlya, and maybe Greenland

Lake Baikal?
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 29, 2021, 11:29:30 PM
we want to see Baikal, Novaya Zemlya, and maybe Greenland

Lake Baikal?

yes, about 2000 km
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Tumeni on September 29, 2021, 11:34:00 PM
we want to see Baikal, Novaya Zemlya, and maybe Greenland

Lake Baikal?

yes, about 2000 km

If you get to 30km altitude, I predict your limit of line-of-sight visibility from your craft will be around 620km.

The Red Bull Space Jump was at 39km, and it had visibility of around 706km.

I suggest you look to identify landmarks and geographical features within 600km of your launch site.
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 29, 2021, 11:44:12 PM
we want to see Baikal, Novaya Zemlya, and maybe Greenland

Lake Baikal?

yes, about 2000 km

If you get to 30km altitude, I predict your limit of line-of-sight visibility from your craft will be around 620km.

The Red Bull Space Jump was at 39km, and it had visibility of around 706km.

I suggest you look to identify landmarks and geographical features within 600km of your launch site.


If the earth is round - 620, but if it is flat, then much more. We found an excellent starting point, there are many points at various distances, good visibility.
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Tumeni on September 30, 2021, 08:37:42 AM
If the earth is round - 620, but if it is flat, then much more. We found an excellent starting point, there are many points at various distances, good visibility.

OK.

What landmarks or geographical features do you have in mind, apart from those already named?

I've had a look at the area, and it seems largely unpopulated, so no large urban areas to focus on ...
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 30, 2021, 12:01:17 PM
If the earth is round - 620, but if it is flat, then much more. We found an excellent starting point, there are many points at various distances, good visibility.

OK.

What landmarks or geographical features do you have in mind, apart from those already named?

I've had a look at the area, and it seems largely unpopulated, so no large urban areas to focus on ...

we will focus only on water, mountains, land. there are many such objects for observation
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Tumeni on September 30, 2021, 12:24:59 PM
OK, keep your fingers crossed for clear skies.

Hear back from you in a couple of weeks or so ....
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Svetlana on September 30, 2021, 01:36:14 PM
OK, keep your fingers crossed for clear skies.

Hear back from you in a couple of weeks or so ....

Thank you very much, I will definitely write about the results
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Tumeni on October 03, 2021, 03:43:52 PM
Thank you very much, I will definitely write about the results

... and post some pictures?
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Pete Svarrior on October 03, 2021, 08:07:17 PM
Tumeni, if you don't have anything useful or valuable to say, don't say anything. I tried to see where you'd take this, but apparently the answer was "nowhere".

Stop wasting people's time by asking them to repeatedly state the obvious.
Title: Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
Post by: Tom Bishop on October 06, 2021, 03:28:21 AM
For a future experiment the goal should be to do it with a infrared camera lens so that you can cut through the atmosphere like this author does here in the Wiki (https://wiki.tfes.org/High_Altitude_Horizon_Dip), and on his YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW_Hcw/videos). In his YouTube channel he takes an infrared camera onto an airplane and other high locations and claims to see objects that are further than a Round Earth should allow.