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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 11:40:14 PM »

Navy asks Raytheon to operate and maintain ROTHR over-the-horizon surveillance radar

The .gov is using HF why? No Sats exist is why....

Why does the Navy have an interest in over the horizon radar? Because the Earth is round.

That doesn't answer it, if these sats are up there, 1,000's of them, command a few and have the best GPS surveillance in the world. Why even bother with HF? You can't answer that but I can, there's a dome silly and the earth is a pancake.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 11:38:07 PM »

Go buy your fleet a system to monitor your peeps.

https://at-communication.com/en/hf_ssb_gps_internav/codan/hf_ssb_gps.html

HF GPS Tracking
Using GPS, Codan’s High Frequency (HF) technology now provides a viable and cost-effective option for managing:

The GPS system can be configured so that the base station keeps track of the current location of all of the transceivers in a network.


    As HF transmissions are free to air, the technology offers considerable price advantages over satellite communications systems, which usually charge a time-based fee.

More of the same. You really should just hang it up. I guess you did a Google search and found a page with both "GPS" and "HF" and then immediately posted it.

Posting links to articles you don't understand doesn't help your case.

Here is a quote from that page that you seemed to skip over

The Global Positioning System (GPS) consists of a network of satellite transmitters in orbit around the earth. Each of the satellites continuously broadcasts a reference signal. A ground-based GPS receiver can accurately determine its position on the earth if it receives a signal from three these GPS satellites.

Do you notice any similarities with that explanation to what I and others have posted? Does that tell you anything? It should.

Why do you use reference material that contradicts your core belief?

But the bottom line is this. The product they advertise isn't GPS. It is a product that uses HF radio to track vehicles, cargo, and other things that have GPS receivers. They are devices that take coordinates from a GPS receiver and transmit them, using HF, to a central (or base) station.

Only a mtn man who never leaves the cave doesn't understand GPS and Radar are virtually the same thing. And this company is offering an alternative to spending big bucks on Sats that don't exist. There paying for sats and getting towers, balloons, repeaters and HF.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: If there is an ice wall in Antarctica, why hasn't anyone confirmed it?

« on: October 10, 2017, 11:22:02 PM »

Yeah - indeed.  My father had occasion to fly on one of those crazy-large Russian aircraft once (I'm not sure if it was the AN-124 - I kinda thought it was an Illushin of some kind) - he was an aircraft radio/radar tech and there was some problem at an airshow at the airport he worked at.   He was able to help out with it and avoid delaying the Russian's demo flight.  Their pilot offered to take him up for a ride when they did the demo.  As you say, the inside is so insanely huge, it's hard to believe that it's in the air at all.  It actually had an elevator to get you from the cargo bay up to the flight deck.

Very cool!

Low content, kicked your ass over in GPS now you hide here. No one cares about qeek daddy. Stay on topic or its 3 days in the hole, or maybe an eternity waaay down below? Yeah thinking that. swish  I--->>>> dropped an ear, hurt much?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 11:19:30 PM »

I'm sorry they are just coo coo birds.

Pinpointing covert HF transmitters worldwide is goal of HFGeo signals intelligence program

WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB, Ohio-Signals intelligence (SIGINT) experts at the U.S. Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity (IARPA) are enlisting the help of two U.S. defense companies to develop technologies to detect and pinpoint high-frequency (HF) radar and communications systems anywhere in the world.

Systems & Technology Research LLC in Winchester, Mass., and the Northrop Grumman Corp. Information Systems segment in Chantilly, Va., are developing antennas and signal processing to locate radar and communications systems that rely on HF signals, which is particularly difficult to do.

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/print/volume-23/issue-09/news/news/pinpointing-covert-hf-transmitters-worldwide-is-goal-of-hfgeo-signals-intelligence-program.html

Navy asks Raytheon to operate and maintain ROTHR over-the-horizon surveillance radar

The ROTHR over-the-horizon radar uses high-frequency radar waves that bounce off a layer of the atmosphere called the ionosphere to provide long-range over-the-horizon radar coverage.

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2016/04/long-range-surveillance-radar.html

The .gov is using HF why? No Sats exist is why....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 11:06:33 PM »

The RE peeps around here are just not up with the times and the tech.

GPS is DONE WITH HIGH FREQUENCY BAND which has been around since 1920

Go buy your fleet a system to monitor your peeps.

https://at-communication.com/en/hf_ssb_gps_internav/codan/hf_ssb_gps.html

HF GPS Tracking
Using GPS, Codan’s High Frequency (HF) technology now provides a viable and cost-effective option for managing:

The GPS system can be configured so that the base station keeps track of the current location of all of the transceivers in a network.


    As HF transmissions are free to air, the technology offers considerable price advantages over satellite communications systems, which usually charge a time-based fee.
    In addition to lower ongoing costs, an HF GPS system will invariably involve lower start-up costs when compared with a satellite based system.
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Why Lord? Why am I forced to play with retards? Can I at least have an intelligent conversation once in a while? Please and TY Amen

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 09:08:31 PM »

inquisitive

I don't work for the .gov, they are lucky I pay my taxes, otherwise don't call me and I won't call you type thing.

Now I did work at a covert CIA office for a short time, kinda spooky if you ask me. Then I sued the bastards for rippin off the little guy, made em return damn near $100mm. Fuckers won't forget me anytime soon.

Like Junker, I'm doing Gods work.....

So you can't provide technical details of how GPS works.

It's similar to the gyro in airplanes made by one .gov contractor. A need to know only type thang. You need, I'm satisfied with there are no satellites.

If I'm making an app for a phone where do I find the data output format?

I assume you are OK with satellites for TV reception as the dish angle proves their location.

I haven't paid for tv or watched it in 10 years. Now I think you could be wrong about this. I would expect they are given a specific area of the sky to send and receive digital packets from the .gov. I've already provided links to technical data available about picking these streams or grabbing them from the skywave or groundwave. All packets are identified with numbers so to make an area specific for a company is very reasonable for potential packet loss, causing jitter, delays ect. Again no sats, one can pic up these signals either going up or bouncing back down.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 09:01:31 PM »

inquisitive

I don't work for the .gov, they are lucky I pay my taxes, otherwise don't call me and I won't call you type thing.

Now I did work at a covert CIA office for a short time, kinda spooky if you ask me. Then I sued the bastards for rippin off the little guy, made em return damn near $100mm. Fuckers won't forget me anytime soon.

Like Junker, I'm doing Gods work.....

So you can't provide technical details of how GPS works.

It's similar to the gyro in airplanes made by one .gov contractor. A need to know only type thang. You need, I'm satisfied with there are no satellites.

If I'm making an app for a phone where do I find the data output format?

Call Walmart they pretty much sell everything, they are connected if you know what I mean

But seriously check with Harold over in New Acct's software sales .gov GPS/com if he isn't in he could be testing his latest over at Cern research tunnel, specifically "dark matters"

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 08:54:00 PM »

If you search the Wiki for "GPS" you get exactly one page: https://wiki.tfes.org/Space_Travel - which contains four broken links and nothing else.

Interesting, you've found an old orphaned page. Nothing links to it, and it links to nowhere, so I've now removed it.

Thanks, we'd like to send you a Holiday Gift, is there a way we can locate you now?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 08:49:21 PM »

inquisitive

I don't work for the .gov, they are lucky I pay my taxes, otherwise don't call me and I won't call you type thing.

Now I did work at a covert CIA office for a short time, kinda spooky if you ask me. Then I sued the bastards for rippin off the little guy, made em return damn near $100mm. Fuckers won't forget me anytime soon.

Like Junker, I'm doing Gods work.....

So you can't provide technical details of how GPS works.

It's similar to the gyro in airplanes made by one .gov contractor. A need to know only type thang. You need, I'm satisfied with there are no satellites.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 08:46:01 PM »

Nice try qeek, the tech is waaaay past your puny little muscles. They can pinpoint a gnat on horses ass halfway around the globe if the horse farts a couple good times.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 08:39:51 PM »

inquisitive

I don't work for the .gov, they are lucky I pay my taxes, otherwise don't call me and I won't call you type thing.

Now I did work at a covert CIA office for a short time, kinda spooky if you ask me. Then I sued the bastards for rippin off the little guy, made em return damn near $100mm. Fuckers won't forget me anytime soon.

Like Junker, I'm doing Gods work.....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 08:25:47 PM »

So to recap, J-man says it's either god bounces off of the dome or balloons and  Junker says to read the Wiki for GPS information where none exists.

Very informative.

Yep.  If you search the Wiki for "GPS" you get exactly one page: https://wiki.tfes.org/Space_Travel - which contains four broken links and nothing else.

If there was just one GPS system and it only worked in continental USA, then towers and balloons and such might work - but there are AT LEAST four different GPS-like systems out there (US, Russian, Chinese and European) and all four of them have world-wide coverage.  Do you see Chinese and Russian navigational towers studding the landscape in the USA?   Are there thousands of balloons from all four nations drifting languidly across our skies?

The "bouncing off of the ionosphere" approach cannot work for precision better than a few kilometers - and all four systems that we know of are accurate to within ten meters or so most of the time.

So I guess the Earth must be round.

qeek you should stop the deceit or maybe it's just ignorance? TV GPS radar all work off High Frequency waves now. You don't need satellites for Skywave, Groundwave or Line of Sight transmissions. Put the Kool-aid down and come join us in this brave new world that was discovered in 1921....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave

"In radio communication, skywave or skip refers to the propagation of radio waves reflected or refracted back toward Earth from the ionosphere, an electrically charged layer of the upper atmosphere. Since it is not limited by the curvature of the Earth, skywave propagation can be used to communicate beyond the horizon, at intercontinental distances."

"E-skip is a notable exception, where VHF signals including FM broadcast and VHF TV signals are frequently reflected to the Earth during late Spring and early Summer."

https://www.accessengineeringlibrary.com/browse/high-frequency-over-the-horizon-radar-fundamental-principles-signal-processing-and-practical-applications

High Frequency Over-the-Horizon Radar: Fundamental Principles, Signal Processing, and Practical Applications

Abstract: Written by a leading global expert on the topic, High Frequency Over-the-Horizon Radar provides in-depth coverage of the signal processing models and techniques that have significantly advanced OTH radar technology.

Conventional Processing

1010505Signal and data processing have long been recognized as key elements to the success of OTH radar (Headrick and Skolnik, 1974). Such systems are inherently required to operate in severe clutter, interference, and noise environments, where the power of a received target echo is typically several orders of magnitude lower than that of the disturbance signal. Here, signal processing refers to a sequence of steps that transform the in-phase and quadrature baseband data samples acquired by the analog-to-digital (A/D) converters in each receiver of a multi-channel system to complex-valued outputs in the canonical radar dimensions of group-range, beam direction, and Doppler frequency.

The Israeli's invented Voice over internet Protocol which is in fact the bases for the success of this HF model. To take analog packets smash them down to digital packets with individual ID and blow them all over the skies. Then suck them up with a huge vacuum cleaner, they automatically arrange in the proper order and a high tech switch is able to then send them (packets) to the processor to find your ass, listen in on ya, or send you reruns of Little House on the Prairie.

The storage facility in Utah to accumulate every digital packet ever processed is waiting for you. There is no escape.

All unrelated to how GPS works.  Please post links to GPS documentation.

I can't tell you thank you for playing because you haven't been paying attention. Back on the first page I provided this link that surveyors used for GPS.

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog160/node/1926

5.5 Land Surveying and Conventional Techniques for Measuring Positions on the Earth’s Surface

"You might wonder how a control network gets started. If positions are measured relative to other positions, what is the first position measured relative to? The answer is: the stars."

Remember? God did it.....

Now we've moved into GPS for purposes of Over-the-Horizon which you RE nut jobs should be enjoying. Doesn't require Sat's

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 10, 2017, 07:49:08 PM »

So to recap, J-man says it's either god bounces off of the dome or balloons and  Junker says to read the Wiki for GPS information where none exists.

Very informative.

Yep.  If you search the Wiki for "GPS" you get exactly one page: https://wiki.tfes.org/Space_Travel - which contains four broken links and nothing else.

If there was just one GPS system and it only worked in continental USA, then towers and balloons and such might work - but there are AT LEAST four different GPS-like systems out there (US, Russian, Chinese and European) and all four of them have world-wide coverage.  Do you see Chinese and Russian navigational towers studding the landscape in the USA?   Are there thousands of balloons from all four nations drifting languidly across our skies?

The "bouncing off of the ionosphere" approach cannot work for precision better than a few kilometers - and all four systems that we know of are accurate to within ten meters or so most of the time.

So I guess the Earth must be round.

qeek you should stop the deceit or maybe it's just ignorance? TV GPS radar all work off High Frequency waves now. You don't need satellites for Skywave, Groundwave or Line of Sight transmissions. Put the Kool-aid down and come join us in this brave new world that was discovered in 1921....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave

"In radio communication, skywave or skip refers to the propagation of radio waves reflected or refracted back toward Earth from the ionosphere, an electrically charged layer of the upper atmosphere. Since it is not limited by the curvature of the Earth, skywave propagation can be used to communicate beyond the horizon, at intercontinental distances."

"E-skip is a notable exception, where VHF signals including FM broadcast and VHF TV signals are frequently reflected to the Earth during late Spring and early Summer."

https://www.accessengineeringlibrary.com/browse/high-frequency-over-the-horizon-radar-fundamental-principles-signal-processing-and-practical-applications

High Frequency Over-the-Horizon Radar: Fundamental Principles, Signal Processing, and Practical Applications

Abstract: Written by a leading global expert on the topic, High Frequency Over-the-Horizon Radar provides in-depth coverage of the signal processing models and techniques that have significantly advanced OTH radar technology.

Conventional Processing

"1010505Signal and data processing have long been recognized as key elements to the success of OTH radar (Headrick and Skolnik, 1974). Such systems are inherently required to operate in severe clutter, interference, and noise environments, where the power of a received target echo is typically several orders of magnitude lower than that of the disturbance signal. Here, signal processing refers to a sequence of steps that transform the in-phase and quadrature baseband data samples acquired by the analog-to-digital (A/D) converters in each receiver of a multi-channel system to complex-valued outputs in the canonical radar dimensions of group-range, beam direction, and Doppler frequency. "
+++
The Israeli's invented Voice over internet Protocol which is in fact the basis for the success of this HF model. To take analog packets smash them down to digital packets with individual ID and blow them all over the skies. Then suck them up with a huge vacuum cleaner, they automatically arrange in the proper order and a high tech switch is able to then send them (packets) to the processor to find your ass, listen in on ya, or send you reruns of Little House on the Prairie.

The storage facility in Utah to accumulate every digital packet ever processed is waiting for you. There is no escape.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: If there is an ice wall in Antarctica, why hasn't anyone confirmed it?

« on: October 10, 2017, 03:09:40 PM »

More cheat and lies by qeek

the orange thang is more or less owned by NASA or funded by them with instruments. Who we fooling here?

NASA'S Hyperspectral Imager

The Polar Pumpkin will become a flying laboratory as I fly across the Arctic Ocean. One of the primary instruments that I will be carrying is a Hyperspectral Imager, owned by NASA. After I returned from Russia, Mr. Joe Casas from Marshall Space Flight Center and Mr. Ken Copenhaver from the University of Illinois, came to Alaska for the installation of the hyperspectral imager. With the help of my excellent mechanics, we completed the installation quickly; and then proceeded to do test flights. The instrument worked well; and, over the course of the Spring, I continued the testing, flying at varied altitudes and conditions. Another instrument that will be on board the Pumpkin is a Sun Photometer, also owned by NASA Goddard Space Flight Center.

http://www.polarflight90.com/About_the_Polar_Pumpkin.htm

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: If there is an ice wall in Antarctica, why hasn't anyone confirmed it?

« on: October 10, 2017, 02:56:25 PM »

Of course qeek cheats (lies, a true deceitful post), no jet planes under 3 engines are allowed. The one he posts was a test to try to prove feasibility. They are not approved, this was a test. It also only had a few seats and plenty of room for the required survival gear.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/05/15/icelandair-has-new-glacier-themed-boeing-757-200/101714042/#

Here's that same plane today with a new paint job and no it hasn't been cleared to land in Antarctica anymore. It's a tour plane.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: If there is an ice wall in Antarctica, why hasn't anyone confirmed it?

« on: October 10, 2017, 06:38:46 AM »

No fly zones is right. No twin engines over Antarctica. All planes must be equipped with a high about of survival gear which reduces the capacity of the plane. This is a tour plane, 12 hr flight, 4 hours in, 4 hrs at, 4 hrs home. 4hrs is not anywhere near enough time to explore much except the edge where you came in at. The plane does repeated figure 8's so passengers can swap seats from inside rows. You basically cover everything twice. About 1.5 hrs max depth of flying into the interior if that.

So yeah, its a no fly zone......

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: If there is an ice wall in Antarctica, why hasn't anyone confirmed it?

« on: October 10, 2017, 01:04:43 AM »

Of course the wall of ice is real and goes for a 360. No fly zones, no hiking, no finding the truth and the dome.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: If there is an ice wall in Antarctica, why hasn't anyone confirmed it?

« on: October 09, 2017, 11:12:52 PM »

Like with pics from national geo?

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2013/09/rising-seas-coastal-impact-climate-change/#/MM7792_090628_0391.jpg



http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2013/09/rising-seas-coastal-impact-climate-change/#/PIG_090125_08089.jpg

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 09, 2017, 02:28:16 AM »

Here's a great one, shows HF being bounced off dome.

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2016/04/long-range-surveillance-radar.html

Navy asks Raytheon to operate and maintain ROTHR over-the-horizon surveillance radar

I'm really not sure what more there is to prove. Raytheon just showed you the dome God and I speak of and we all know GPS with line of sight is a no brainer with towers, balloons, repeaters and base stations. Why do you tangle with one of Gods ass kickin cowboys?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does FE think that GPS works?

« on: October 09, 2017, 02:21:15 AM »

Man of the mountain, me thinks you're a shill for the deceiver man on the mountain.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5210024/?reload=true

Adaptive beamforming for high-frequency over-the-horizon passive radar

Read all about it, there is tons of this tech out there, you don't need sats as I've been saying for weeks.

"GPS data measured on-board the cooperative aircraft provided accurate ground truth of the flight path, enabling target profiles in bi-static range, Doppler frequency and direction-of-arrival (azimuth/elevation) to be calculated as a function of time."