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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Speed of The Sun

« on: April 14, 2018, 01:20:04 AM »

Someone recently told me I shouldn't try to refute a theory without studying it.

Maybe take your own advice, read up on how radar works before dismissing it

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: EnaG Chapter X , Cause of sun appearing larger when rising and setting than at N

« on: April 14, 2018, 01:16:25 AM »

Okay, I'm again going back on a thread departure. I guess I will stop saying I'm out

The lights in the far field are the same intensity as the closer lights. I mean to say, they're all streetlights. If the streetlights are not intense enough for magnification to occur, what's the point of the picture? Why would close streetlights exhibit magnification but not distant streetlights?

And, if magnification only occurs in the far field, why are the headlights on the car in the foreground so much huger than their actual size? There must be something else doing it, right? So that same something else is making distant lights look bigger than their light source- bigger than the bulb itself, but still decreasing in size with proportion to distance.

I keep saying the freeway picture is irrelevant, you keep ignoring that point. Get focused homie

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Math Evidence (calcs and data) corroborating turning torso and radius 6371km

« on: April 14, 2018, 01:07:45 AM »

I read Earth Not A Globe cover to cover before I made my first post on the site.

So, no

editing to elaborate:

This is gatekeeping, to say 'you have to read up before you can make a point.' It's a fake goalpost. Having read the book you so confidently told me I had not read, I am prepared to write in depth about its various weaknesses as a piece of scientific writing, and its interest as a historical piece. I do not have to do this before making an argument past it. The sinking ship effect, as described by Rowbotham, does not exist. It's not how things work. So, I ignore it when claiming these results are impossible on flat Earth.

if you like, we can start another redundant thread about the sinking ship effect, where we link to videos that show obvious, readily apparent evidence that Rowbotham was incorrect, and you pretend not to notice. I'm up for it. but that's not this thread.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: EnaG Chapter X , Cause of sun appearing larger when rising and setting than at N

« on: April 13, 2018, 11:12:47 PM »

Which part of the picture is the far field? Is it the lights that are tiny pinpricks way back behind the overpass? that have, in fact, shrunk in size consistently, as they should?

Or is it the lights that are at the back of the row, but still in front of the overpass? that are smaller than the closest light, by a significant factor?

hmm

I don't think this picture shows what you want it to, George

the headlights image shows low resolution and the effects of quantization

we're repeating ourselves, and you've started hitting up all caps. I'm out

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: EnaG Chapter X , Cause of sun appearing larger when rising and setting than at N

« on: April 13, 2018, 11:03:12 PM »

Distant headlights are not magnified in the video example. note how reflective the road is

The streetlights get smaller in proportion to their distance. The furthest aura is about half the size of the nearest one. The principal orb is even smaller.

The headlights are a resolution problem.

there is no magnification effect

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Math Evidence (calcs and data) corroborating turning torso and radius 6371km

« on: April 13, 2018, 10:48:55 PM »

You expect them because your understanding of perspective is wrong.

Your understanding of perspective is wrong because it allows you to explain why things that appear to show the Earth is a sphere don't actually.

This is useful because your premise is that the Earth is flat.

but it isn't

also, Tom, I encourage you to respond to my objection to the geometry in the diagrams. that's definitely more interesting for both of us

also:
'Please do not tell us what we do and do not predict under our theory without actually having understood it yourself.' fucking lol

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: EnaG Chapter X , Cause of sun appearing larger when rising and setting than at N

« on: April 13, 2018, 10:46:36 PM »

that is in part an effect of the focus and exposure settings in the cameras. see here. it isn't magnification at all, it's diffusion

in the lamplights, you can see that the principal orbs do get smaller at a consistent rate. with the headlights, I think you actually start running into resolution problems. the camera feed is quantizing pixels to high brightness because there is a headlight somewhere in that area. again, it's not a usable example

also, again, since we've gone over this before: If Rowbotham were right and the sun were magnified by the atmosphere, it would also get more diffuse. it does not. therefore, he is wrong.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Infinite earth or disc?

« on: April 13, 2018, 10:37:21 PM »

The Flat Earth Society does not know. There are multiple ideas but there are problems with both finite and an infinite disc hypotheses. One of their active members might suggest that you self-fund the research and find out for yourself.

My suggestion is, look elsewhere for knowledge.

also consider this thread that debunks the concept of a frozen waste outside the ice wall, but also flat Earth belief in general.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a globe Earth the horizon should not curve

« on: April 13, 2018, 10:26:42 PM »

Do you then concede the point, having accepted that Rowbotham did not make the claim?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: EnaG Chapter X , Cause of sun appearing larger when rising and setting than at N

« on: April 13, 2018, 10:25:14 PM »

Yeah no, that's not a real thing. For starters the stoplights in the bottom picture on that page do get smaller as they get further away. The headlights in the car picture are unusable for this point because they get so close together in the picture they overlap.

for real information, try here

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Math Evidence (calcs and data) corroborating turning torso and radius 6371km

« on: April 13, 2018, 10:22:29 PM »

You keep directing people to read Earth Not A Globe, and meanwhile most of us have already and found it unconvincing at best. His diagrams are a display of bad geometry: Figures 73 and 74 with the circles are just straight up wrong. Better information can be found at wikipedia.

anyway, anyone with a telescope can make these observations for themselves. Tom's objection about the observer's height not being constant doesn't hold water in the face of the consistent result: These observations are impossible on a flat Earth.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Elon Musk

« on: April 12, 2018, 01:52:01 AM »

it's nothing more than CGI.

this is a claim of evidence.

prove it

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: EnaG Chapter XIV. Examination of the So-Called ''Proofs'' of the Earth's Rotundi

« on: April 11, 2018, 11:32:06 PM »

one might notice that the year 1840 is before the year 1849. so, no

also, did the original 16 pages even talk about compasses

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: EnaG Chapter XIV. Examination of the So-Called ''Proofs'' of the Earth's Rotundi

« on: April 11, 2018, 08:01:02 PM »

That is why, in RET, they had to change the theory to declare that the compass did not point at the pole.

This is wrong. Knowledge of magnetic field lines predates Rowbotham.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat Earth Math, and what you should see, shall the Earth be round

« on: April 08, 2018, 01:28:18 AM »

This thread from the other site is relevant, and features our very own Tommy B in a mid-career cameo. See also, this one.

read the evidence presented for yourself. my take is, don't trust snake oil advertisements as primary sources, especially when actual primary sources exist

I will add, my take is also, who cares, the dude sucked

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Electromagnetic Accelerator

« on: April 07, 2018, 04:08:44 AM »

No, that isn't right.

If there is enough acceleration for light rays to curve back into space, then there could be no shadow - there would be no 'gap' of darkness between the light rays that meet the Earth just past the horizon and those that meet the mountain.

well

I'm rethinking this objection, but it's worth nothing that this contradicts the equation given on the wiki. And in that equation, there can be no shadow; the derivative approaches zero.

if there's ever going to be a value given for the Bishop constant or a clarification of the author's math, let them appear in this thread

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The FE concept

« on: April 06, 2018, 09:02:20 PM »

I believe Flat Earth has made me much less Fundamental, losing your church can do that to you.
Ordinary people pay the price for believing in FE

Do we need to believe in Flat Earth or do we know? What we see and experience of the world is the extent of our total knowledge. In order for something to be considered a truth it must be shown as the best available evidence is empirically based.

Why do we need to believe in Flat Earth?

specifically because it contradicts the best available evidence.

You have been shown the shape of the Earth. You have seen for yourself why it must be round. The Earth has been measured, repeatedly, with independent methods, to be a globe.

concluding the Earth is flat requires rationalizing this evidence away, or ignoring it prima facie. it's one big argument from ignorance.

so yes, flat Earth belief is a belief, unto a faith. it is neither true nor justified, so it cannot rightly be called knowledge.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the earth flat?

« on: April 06, 2018, 08:51:08 PM »

Even Google are in on it, with their Google earth. In fact, a high level employee recently got suspended for coming out and saying earth is flat.

this did not happen

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Question for round earthers

« on: April 02, 2018, 02:37:51 AM »

Another, albeit less dramatic example of why a level on a plane doesn't have anything to do with curvature:



I also strongly recommend reading the Metabunk thread on this topic, that StinkyOne already linked to: https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/

OP just ignored it, so it may have escaped attention, but it's really quite thorough.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat Earth Math, and what you should see, shall the Earth be round

« on: March 31, 2018, 03:07:28 AM »

prove it