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Flat Earth Community / Re: Any Dubay reconciliation possibilities?
« on: September 23, 2023, 03:51:19 AM »
An issue is that the early version of the FE Wiki didn't have as much technical and background information about the terms it was throwing around and expected its readers to have a physics education. Without the background knowledge, people thought that TFES was just making up upwards acceleration randomly and making up terms. To the novice reader it just looked like technobabble.

Today people read the Wiki and don't have that reaction that Eric Dubey and the early Flat Earth Youtubers had. They now learn from its various pages that the equivalence principle is a substantial principle that has been tested in different physical ways by different testing methods in physics to tell us that gravity physically behaves as if the earth is accelerating upwards. They are satisfied with the claim of upwards acceleration and find it interesting.

The early nay-sayers will eventually see the error of their ways when they come back to re-read the material, as some have. It might take someone ten years to come back to it again, but slowly more FE'ers are coming to reject those early criticisms and see that TFES has some valid points to discuss.

If a FE'er reads all of the Wiki and still vigorously dismisses the possibility, it is frankly because they think the Bible said that the earth is motionless (which it did not, imo) and want to adhere to a biblical earth.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 21, 2023, 06:45:24 PM »
Did you watch the first fifteen seconds of that video? He didn't mix Biden and Obama there. He was talking about Obama.

    As you know Crooked Joe Biden and
    the radical left thugs have weaponized
    law enforcement to arrest  their leading
    political opponent, leading by a lot,
    including Obama. I'll tell you what, you
    look at Obama and some of the thing
    he's done. We did it with Obama, we
    won an election they said could be won

In his second sentence there he says to look at some of the bad things Obama has done, indicating that he was saying in his previous statement that Obama also weaponized law enforcement.

This claim against Obama weaponizing law enforcement is not new -

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/2020-07/2020-07-28-Examining-Democrat-Allegations-Against-Attorney-General-William-P-Barr.pdf

"The Obama-Biden Justice Department investigated journalists, targeted legitimate businesses disliked by the Obama-Biden Administration, and flouted Congressional oversight. Most notoriously, the Obama-Biden Justice Department weaponized its law-enforcement apparatus against the campaign of Donald Trump."

Obama had weaponized law enforcement against conservatives, including Donald Trump.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 20, 2023, 02:03:20 PM »
According to the fox news article above the DNC has been publicly refusing to have primary debates since at least April 2023 when that article came out. Why would significant democrats go through the process and step up and run for president, knowing that they will be stifled by the DNC?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 20, 2023, 02:47:13 AM »
Two wrongs do not make a right.

So you have your answer now for why newcomers are not given a chance in the 2024 DNC primaries, and know now where to direct your criticism.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 19, 2023, 04:17:31 AM »
I don't see how that factors. Joe Biden is mentioned plenty of times in the media, yet remains unpopular in general and in his own party, and a large percentage want someone else to be the nominee.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 17, 2023, 05:41:15 PM »
But you are forgetting something: Brand recognition.  I've never heard if Vivek.  And if I know nothing about him, why would I vote for him?  How would he even get on the ballot?

I couldn't find the rules with a quick google but I think he needs a certain percentage in the polls to be on the primary ballot.
So if he isn't a household name, few who votes in the primary is gonna vote for him.

You have to gain some organic momentum first and get a number of signatures and show of support. As a rising star you attend party conventions and are eligible to participate in the presidential debates.

Vivek met all of that and is one of the contenders in the televised mainstream debates, and has already participated in one GOP presidential debate. He went from zero point zero in the polls to ranking about third place, neck-in-neck and just above Mike Pence and Nikki Hailey. There will be more debates and the lowest people will be cast off the island until there is one remaining winner who typically becomes the GOP presidential nominee.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 17, 2023, 01:35:43 AM »
In the past decade the people have had the opportunity to elect someone younger with those qualities. Plenty of younger people have run.

The problem is that if you compare these people directly, one younger person with new knowledge like knowledge of the internet, and an older person with the experiential skills of a manager, the later wins for the position.

Tech-bros ran in 2016, 2020, and will be running in 2024. Vivek Ramaswamy is a 38 year old pharma and finance-bro with a science degree and new knowledge, who is running right now. He also has a JD, and has started his own successful companies. By all accounts he appears to be a very smart and accomplished individual.

Unfortunately he will not win because the skills of an older manager outshine what he has to bring to the table. He is currently lagging behind Trump and DeSantis in the polls, and is presently fighting Mike Pence and Nikki Haley for third place deep down near the sixth percentile.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 15, 2023, 05:18:25 PM »
You seem to be mistaking age with competency.
I'm not, but there is some correlation between those two things. No-one is as sharp in their late 70s as they are at their prime.

It depends what you are measuring. After adulthood fluid intelligence decreases as you age, but crystalized intelligence increases as you age - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8809681/

"Population-average declines are observed across adulthood for fluid abilities, whereas population average increases are observed through the seventh decade of life for crystallized abilities (8, 9)."

For example, a young person might be better at adapting to the mechanics of a new video game than an older person. But for an existing skill like social interaction and the ability to use it to your advantage, an old person is much better at navigating social dynamics and utilizing social manipulation as a tool than a young person, as they have had more time to hone those skills, and will tend to dominate in that aspect. And it's not just social pressures to submit to old people. They are objectively better in areas like that. Managers in their 60's tend to dominate in business over managers in their 30's and 40's, who should presumably be more capable due to youth and stage of maturity, but are not and still have a lot to learn.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 14, 2023, 02:37:04 PM »
You seem to be mistaking age with competency. Here is Donald Trump to set you straight:


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 10, 2023, 08:49:15 PM »
Imagine having to pretend that this is normal


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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is Jeranism a good source for FE points?
« on: August 27, 2023, 07:43:28 PM »
Most of the youtube FE'ers and forum-FE'ers only focus on a specific subject within FE that they excel at, and are terrible at everything else. For Jeran I would say that his strengths are the airliner analysis and discrepancies, and discrepancies with the North-South circumnavigation claims.

He also does a decent job when he is collecting and referring to the works or quotes of others, and regurgitating the arguments in a presentable manner.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 26, 2023, 06:10:56 PM »
He has lost weight, but he's definitely still well over 215 lbs, and there's ample photographic evidence showing that he's no taller than 6'1 at the very most.

Trump wears body armor when he is out in public. It is difficult sizing up his body frame. He has clearly lost a lot of weight, and 215 is believable.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 26, 2023, 02:35:55 PM »
Are they blind to see that Trump has lost weight in the last couple of years? It is fairly obvious even when just looking at his mugshot photo of himself that he posted.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: August 22, 2023, 03:25:31 AM »







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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 21, 2023, 03:50:01 PM »
And while many dems want him out (myself included) I'll take him over Trump.  Which is what all democrats will do.

That's not how the general population works though. If there is an unpopular candidate on their side they just won't vote. Only the political left votes "blue no matter who".

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 21, 2023, 06:35:52 AM »
In 2020 Trump got 74 million votes vs Biden's alleged 81 million votes. If Trump voters are only doubling down in their convictions then Biden's re-election campaign is toast. Biden has notably lost popularity and many democrats want him out.

If there is a worthy dem contender to take Biden's place next year then he or she has yet to be identified or gain notable momentum.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 21, 2023, 03:07:17 AM »
It doesn't appear that any of this is doing much to dissuade Trump voters.

https://ground.news/article/trump-voters-trust-ex-president-more-than-their-family-and-friends-poll_4ec127


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Quote from: jimster
However, once the sun was in the center of the system and orbits were envisioned as being elliptical, as in modern astronomy, epicycles were no longer necessary.

In fact, the expression "adding epicycles" is now used by scientists to describe adding fudge factors to make your equations work. I suppose it is possible that astronomers were on the right track pre-1700, they all went wrong, and nowyou will set them straight, but it seems unlikely.

I think you should read the entirety of the page I linked and the referenced sources. It talks about how modern planetary models use epicycles - https://wiki.tfes.org/Astronomical_Prediction_Based_on_Patterns





At this point I feel that one of the forum rules should be that the FES only wants to talk about rebuttals to the references in the Wiki and that you should read it and come up with a rebuttal which will either cause the reader to concede the issue or make the Wiki better with the ensuing discussion and presentation of counter-evidence.

It seems that no one bothers with it and I need to discuss it from scratch all the time. I mean, the rest of this conversation will just be me copy and pasting the 10 other references and quotes from the wiki when you say "nuh-uh" without presenting anything of your own. On rare occasion you will get me to exhaust those references and give me some motivation to go search for another few to add.

To hurry up this conversation so it gets to that point I've posted the three quotes above. When you post again with denial I'll post three more.

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