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Tom just needs to come clean and admit that he thinks Putin's expansion in Europe is a good thing.

If Putin's goal is simply to "expand" how is it a coincidence that he has only annexed the areas where ethnic Russians were being slaughtered and was the primary point of contention between Russia and Ukraine since 2014?



This is clearly a humanitarian mission, and not "expanding into Europe" or whatever nonsense you have made up.
Isn't that just the areas he currently holds?  Seems awfully convenient he only annexes the areas he held at the time and not other areas or even Kyiv.
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This page clearly describes that there has been conflict and fighting in those areas since 2014 between Russian separatists and Ukraine:

https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/30/history-donbas-donetsk-luhansk/

The History of Donbas’ Donetsk and Luhansk Regions Annexed by Russia

September 30, 2022

"Now home to a majority of Russian-speaking people, they moved there only in recent decades. Now, Russia has given more than 720,000 Russian passports to roughly one-fifth of the region’s population, according to The Associated Press."

"In March of 2014, following the Euromaidan and the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, large swaths of the Donbas experienced major unrest. This later grew into a war, with pro-Russian separatists affiliated with the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk “People’s Republics”"

"Pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions took over government buildings in 2014, proclaiming the regions as independent “people’s republics” after Russia’s annexation of Crimea from Ukraine.

Since 2014, more than 14,000 people have been killed in fighting in the Donbas region between pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian forces."

"On Monday, Putin announced the independence of the regions after meeting with the Russian Security Council following a video appeal by the regions’ separatist leaders for the recognition of independence.

Each of the regions has its own self-proclaimed president, with Denis Pushilin elected in 2018 to lead the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, while Leonid Pasechnik is the leader of the Luhansk separatist region.

Russia’s recognition of the independence of the regions on Monday in effect ends the Minsk peace agreements, which were never fully implemented in any case. The agreements, which were signed in 2014 and 2015, had called for a large amount of autonomy for the two regions within Ukraine."
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Tom: The liberal media LIES
Also Tom: Here is a quote from the Guardian.
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This page clearly describes that there has been conflict and fighting in those areas since 2014 between Russian separatists and Ukraine:

Just to be crystal clear:

- Are you pro-Russian invasion and annexation of Ukraine? If so, why?
- Or are you pro-Russian invasion and annexation of just the Donbas?

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I am siding with Russia on this one. The narrative you guys are promoting is that Russia is attempting to ruthlessly invade innocent areas and expand across Europe or that they are trying to kill as many civilians as they can, which is clearly not the case.

Russia has annexed Russian separatist regions which have been in a war against Ukraine since 2014, where over 14,000 people have been killed according to the above link. The areas are predominantly composed of ethnic Russians. They called on Russia for help, claiming persecution. Russia came to the aid of its people. I can't fault them for that.

This was clearly outlined by the link given in the very first post of this thread, and even in the title of this thread, yet I notice that you guys never bring it up, preferring to pretend that Russia invaded Ukraine out of the blue. From this I see that the lies are squarely on your side of this.
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I am siding with Russia on this one. The narrative you guys are promoting is that Russia is attempting to ruthlessly invade innocent areas and expand across Europe or that they are trying to kill as many civilians as they can, which is clearly not the case.

Russia has annexed Russian separatist regions which have been in a war against Ukraine since 2014. The areas are predominantly composed of ethnic Russians. They called on Russia for help, claiming persecution. Russia came to the aid of its people. I can't fault them for that.

This was clearly outlined by the link given in the very first post of this thread, and even in the title of this thread, yet I notice that you guys never bring it up, preferring to pretend that Russia invaded Ukraine out of the blue. From this I see that the lies are squarely on your side of this.

Russia changed their tack when it became clear that Kiev wasn’t going to fall. Your revisionist history is a nice piece of shilling for Russia. Your bootlicking rationale also doesn’t explain why they had Belarus invade.
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I am siding with Russia on this one.

Interesting.

This was clearly outlined by the link given in the very first post of this thread, and even in the title of this thread, yet I notice that you guys never bring it up, preferring to pretend that Russia invaded Ukraine out of the blue. From this I see that the lies are squarely on your side of this.

From the OP article, yes, clearly outlined:

"Putin has instructed the Defense Ministry to send peacekeepers into the Donbass, while telling the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to establish diplomatic relations with the states."

Seems like "peacekeepers" weren't just sent to the Donbass region...


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"Now home to a majority of Russian-speaking people, they moved there only in recent decades. Now, Russia has given more than 720,000 Russian passports to roughly one-fifth of the region’s population, according to The Associated Press."
So you're saying that a bunch of Russians move into Ukrainian territory and now want that Ukrainian territory to become part of Russia?  Still sounds like an invasion to me.
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"Now home to a majority of Russian-speaking people, they moved there only in recent decades. Now, Russia has given more than 720,000 Russian passports to roughly one-fifth of the region’s population, according to The Associated Press."
So you're saying that a bunch of Russians move into Ukrainian territory and now want that Ukrainian territory to become part of Russia?  Still sounds like an invasion to me.
And why would they want to be part of Russia again?  You don't leave your country if its great.
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It would seem that Tom distrust more than just liberal media. After all, Russia already told us exactly what the reasons behind their invasion are, through media they directly control, and yet he disagrees.

https://www.newsweek.com/state-run-russian-news-site-accidentally-declares-ukraines-defeat-1683455

Don't forget: the current Russian state is far more incompetent than even the most brazen caricatures of the Soviet Union. If your cool troll argument relies on them not fucking up catastrophically, it's doomed to fail.
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ITT: FETS admins and mods: "THREE CHEERS FOR THE NAZI'S!!! HIP HIP!!! HOORAY!!! HIP HIP HOORAY!!! HIP HIP!!! HOORAY!!!"
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A80, out of curiosity: do you know what a Nazi is? You act as if it was an acronym.
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A80, out of curiosity: do you know what a Nazi is? You act as if it was an acronym.
Yes, I know what a Nazi is.

And it happens to be an acronym.
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And it happens to be an acronym.
Sigh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Etymology
What happened to your reading skills? "Nazi, the informal and originally derogatory term for a party member, abbreviates the party's name." Last I checked, an acronym is synonymous with the word abbreviation.

How can you be trusted to comment on anything of value when you have no grasp of these simple things?

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Last I checked, an acronym is synonymous with the word abbreviation.

Perhaps you should check again:
An abbreviation is a shortened version of a longer word (such as Dr. or Prof.), while an acronym forms a new word using the first letter of each word from a phrase (such as radar or ASAP). Writers often use the words abbreviations and acronyms interchangeably, yet the two are quite distinct.
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And it happens to be an acronym.
Sigh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Etymology

That’s cool. I was totally in the camp of people who thought Nazi was an abbreviation for National Socialist. Never bothered to check if that was true because it didn’t really concern me deeply.
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I need to get me some tats. Tats are cool? Nazi bitchez. With a Z?
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I need to get me some tats. Tats are cool? Nazi bitchez. With a Z?

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I need to get me some tats. Tats are cool? Nazi bitchez. With a Z?

I strongly encourage you to do so.  Preferably on your forehead to make it easier to identify people like you.