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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 31, 2022, 07:09:57 PM »

Reporting that a criminal complaint exists is not scamming anyone. You really struggle with factual content vs what your easily outraged persona believes.

But it is another example of Trump's character and flagrant disregard for the law. 

^The effects of three-card monte journalism are demonstrated right here, as no criminality has been determined.

You were saying?

Are you saying that it's perfectly legal for Trump to continue using the presidential seal at his golf course even when federal law says that it isn't?

I wrote exactly what I wrote, as did you.

You labeled Trump a criminal in this case when that hasn't yet been established.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 31, 2022, 06:34:53 PM »

Reporting that a criminal complaint exists is not scamming anyone. You really struggle with factual content vs what your easily outraged persona believes.

But it is another example of Trump's character and flagrant disregard for the law. 

^The effects of three-card monte journalism are demonstrated right here, as no criminality has been determined.

You were saying?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 31, 2022, 04:25:54 PM »

What has been the result of this blockbuster case!?!?!

I never said that it's a "blockbuster case".  But it is another example of Trump's character and flagrant disregard for the law.  Then again, there are so many other investigations on against Trump that it's understandable that you might not care about this one.

Well, it seems that a disregard for the law isn't even established in this case, as that has not yet been determined.

Yes, there is a lot of news about all of these "investigations."

Lots of "three card monte," journalism taking place nowadays.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 31, 2022, 04:55:30 AM »

When you describe something illegal, let us know for sure, okay?

Do you mean like illegally using the presidential seal for commercial purposes?

Federal law prohibits knowingly using the printed or other likeness of the presidential seal “for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States.”

Violations of the law can result in fines, imprisonment up to six months or both.

Gee, you better contact the DOJ and have them get right on this whopper of a case.

Someone already did.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2021-7-16-Presidential-seal.pdf

Fantastic!

What has been the result of this blockbuster case!?!?!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 31, 2022, 04:52:23 AM »

When you describe something illegal, let us know for sure, okay?

Do you mean like illegally using the presidential seal for commercial purposes?

Federal law prohibits knowingly using the printed or other likeness of the presidential seal “for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States.”

Violations of the law can result in fines, imprisonment up to six months or both.

Gee, you better contact the DOJ and have them get right on this whopper of a case.

Weird way of admitting you were wrong.

Wrong about what?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: July 30, 2022, 04:32:44 PM »

Quick questions...

Do you think Brandon is gonna send a slate of fake construction workers to erect "the foot of wall" he swore would never be built during his administration?

Or will he send pedos to finish it?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 30, 2022, 04:30:18 PM »

When you describe something illegal, let us know for sure, okay?

Do you mean like illegally using the presidential seal for commercial purposes?

Federal law prohibits knowingly using the printed or other likeness of the presidential seal “for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States.”

Violations of the law can result in fines, imprisonment up to six months or both.

Gee, you better contact the DOJ and have them get right on this whopper of a case.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 30, 2022, 05:11:22 AM »

They are investigating the matter. That’s all that I have claimed.

No, you claimed Trump submits electors.

Not some boot-lickers that Trump decides to submit...

Direct quote.

Trump doesn't submit electors.

No president does.

This is the substance of the allegation. That Trump and his cronies conspired to submit a fake slate of electors to congress with the express purpose of obstructing the certification of the electoral votes. You have finally caught up.

So now, not only are you repeating fake news (news with no substance) you are making fake claims about the entire process.

Incorrect. The DOJ is indeed investigating the matter. That is substantially true and that is what the news reported. It isn’t fake and I haven’t misrepresented that. But keep on being a Trump lackey.

When you describe something illegal, let us know for sure, okay?

Because right now, you are just all over the place with the crapola (with a capital C).

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 29, 2022, 08:06:47 PM »

They are investigating the matter. That’s all that I have claimed.

No, you claimed Trump submits electors.

Not some boot-lickers that Trump decides to submit...

Direct quote.

Trump doesn't submit electors.

No president does.

So now, not only are you repeating fake news (news with no substance) you are making fake claims about the entire process.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 29, 2022, 06:53:29 PM »

The electors submitted for approval are those certified by the State and submitted to the electoral college. Not some boot-lickers that Trump decides to submit for the express purpose of fomenting confusion and dissent. Again, your desire to appear more ignorant and obtuse than you actually are is a terrible tactic that makes you seem ignorant, stupid or worse.

But Trump doesn't submit electors.

Glad we got that cleared up.

You can now stop repeating fake news.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 29, 2022, 06:40:41 PM »

Well, you are here writing about it.

I thought you would have already known that.

I know who is legally able to submit it.  Just curious if you do.

So what do you call people, who claim to be electors from state representatives, who are not on the official certificate signed by the legally responsible person?

I would call that fake news.

Do you have some evidence electors made it to any official certificate?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 29, 2022, 05:35:36 PM »

Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.

There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.

So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.

What "forged documentation?"

The documentation is what it is.

As an elector, you become recognized by the body in charge of recognizing the electors.

The official documentation, signed by the governor, of which electors are selected for the state, of course.

Oh, so the governor is signing the slate, not Trump.

?? Have I said otherwise?
Trump can't appoint electors.  Or verify them.  Or sign the Certificate of Ascertainment.

Oh, kinda shoots the foot of the story of the DOJ investigating Trump in any involvement.

Why?
Are you saying that one can't be involved in a crime unless one is there, physically doing the crime?

No, I am writing that proposing or submitting any slate of electors is perfectly legal.

There is no crime of fake electors.

It is all fake news.

Who submits them?

Well, you are here writing about it.

I thought you would have already known that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 29, 2022, 05:32:14 PM »

No, I am writing that proposing or submitting any slate of electors is perfectly legal.

There is no crime of fake electors.

It is all fake news.

They are investigating Obstructing an official proceeding.  Being purposely obtuse is so weak.  You should really be brave enough to deal with the actual news and not just disagreeing to own the libs.

The proceeding includes the process of recognizing electors.

Electors are submitted and then either recognized or not recognized.

No proceeding was obstructed.

Now you are miraculously claiming that someone doing their required job is an obstruction of the process!

LOL!!!

Being purposefully obtuse is indeed very weak and you should stop.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 29, 2022, 11:21:36 AM »

Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.

There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.

So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.

What "forged documentation?"

The documentation is what it is.

As an elector, you become recognized by the body in charge of recognizing the electors.

The official documentation, signed by the governor, of which electors are selected for the state, of course.

Oh, so the governor is signing the slate, not Trump.

?? Have I said otherwise?
Trump can't appoint electors.  Or verify them.  Or sign the Certificate of Ascertainment.

Oh, kinda shoots the foot of the story of the DOJ investigating Trump in any involvement.

Why?
Are you saying that one can't be involved in a crime unless one is there, physically doing the crime?

No, I am writing that proposing or submitting any slate of electors is perfectly legal.

There is no crime of fake electors.

It is all fake news.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 29, 2022, 07:33:08 AM »

Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.

There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.

So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.

What "forged documentation?"

The documentation is what it is.

As an elector, you become recognized by the body in charge of recognizing the electors.

The official documentation, signed by the governor, of which electors are selected for the state, of course.

Oh, so the governor is signing the slate, not Trump.

?? Have I said otherwise?
Trump can't appoint electors.  Or verify them.  Or sign the Certificate of Ascertainment.

Oh, kinda shoots the foot of the story of the DOJ investigating Trump in any involvement.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 28, 2022, 07:58:27 PM »

Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.

There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.

So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.

What "forged documentation?"

The documentation is what it is.

As an elector, you become recognized by the body in charge of recognizing the electors.

The official documentation, signed by the governor, of which electors are selected for the state, of course.

Oh, so the governor is signing the slate, not Trump.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 28, 2022, 12:15:07 PM »

Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.

There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.

So what you're saying is that if I claim to be an elector, with forged documentation, I'm not a fake elector?  If I blackmail the appointed elector and take his place, that's not fake?  If no fake elector can exist, then that means that anyone who is recognized as an elector by anyone is automatically an elector.

Therefore, I appoint you,  Action80, an elector.  I recognize you as such.

What "forged documentation?"

The documentation is what it is.

As an elector, you become recognized by the body in charge of recognizing the electors.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 28, 2022, 03:43:14 AM »

Reagan was a converted Democrat, but in the vein of JFK, and was subsequently shot for trying to make things right in the country. Courtesy of Czar Bush the I.

Nixon was a career criminal fraudster who didn't care about such things as supposed party affiliation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 28, 2022, 03:38:35 AM »

There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

In emails reviewed by The New York Times and authenticated by people who had worked with the Trump campaign at the time, one lawyer involved in the detailed discussions repeatedly used the word “fake” to refer to the so-called electors, who were intended to provide Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Trump’s allies in Congress a rationale for derailing the congressional process of certifying the outcome. And lawyers working on the proposal made clear they knew that the pro-Trump electors they were putting forward might not hold up to legal scrutiny.

“We would just be sending in ‘fake’ electoral votes to Pence so that ‘someone’ in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the ‘fake’ votes should be counted,” Jack Wilenchik, a Phoenix-based lawyer who helped organize the pro-Trump electors in Arizona, wrote in a Dec. 8, 2020, email to Boris Epshteyn, a strategic adviser for the Trump campaign.

In a follow-up email, Mr. Wilenchik wrote that “‘alternative’ votes is probably a better term than ‘fake’ votes,” adding a smiley face emoji.

Yeah, thanks for proving my point.

Somebody called them fake.

Yes, the attorney called them fake because that's what they were, fake.

The attorney calling them fake makes no difference nor does it make them fake.

It does make for a cool story though.

He could've called them flying monkeys and that would've been just as legitimate.

The reporting you provide demonstrates that quite clearly.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 27, 2022, 07:47:59 PM »

And I accepted your insult.

I never insulted you.

Okay, telling someone they are pretending to be an idiot is not an insult.

Gotcha.