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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 07, 2021, 10:12:50 PM »

I don't really don't know what we're talking about

So according to you, you don't know what you're talking about, admit that plainly, and yet you claim that you are capable of deciphering truth from fiction and opinion from fact on this topic. Not a compelling argument there. I would suggest that you should start by having a clue of what you're talking about.

I would suggest that rather than you paying attention to silly memes and Mike Huckabee, you might want to expand you intellectual curiosity toward people that actually work and research in the fields relevant to the topic being discussed.  You might actually learn something of value and perhaps be able to decipher truth from fiction - Something you haven't been able to demonstrate yet.

And I would suggest you commence actual reading, prior to typing.

The source Tom provided is legitimate and has a wealth of information from doctors who went to something called a school, a place that you're probably unfamiliar with at this point, based on your contributions on this forum.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 07, 2021, 10:00:25 PM »

Don’t you think it’s not dangerous at all?

There are a significant amount of other things more dangerous than something that kills at a 1 percent rate.

Like the vaccin… oh no wait. That’s not even close to as dangerous as COVID.

We don't know that yet. 70 percent of hospitalizations are vaccinated people.

@Dr. Eugene Sloan 73% in Massachusetts ICU are double vaccinated so please do not mislead others.

Nice double negative.

How does it feel to have to stoop so low?

I obviously feel great, better than you even, I'm sure.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 07, 2021, 09:55:59 PM »

 So much for the extensive clinical trials you were trying to praise, Rama.

Pure, disgusting crap posted by you once again.

"Even though far from being comprehensive or even adequate, this document has rather far-reaching implications: it shows that Pfizer— as well as the authorities that were apprised of these data— must have recognized the grave risks of adverse events after vaccination even before the onset of clinical trials. Nevertheless, Pfizer’s own clinical trials failed to monitor any of the clinical risks that were clearly evident from these data and the regulatory authorities failed to enforce proper standards of oversight. This dual failure has caused the most grievous harm to the public.
1The same data may also have been filed in the U.S. and other wester countries, but the FDA and the corresponding health regulators did not release them to the public. "

https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/randyhillier/pages/958/attachments/original/1628198186/Pfizer-pharmacokinetics-and-toxicity.pdf?1628198186

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 07, 2021, 09:23:33 PM »

Don’t you think it’s not dangerous at all?

There are a significant amount of other things more dangerous than something that kills at a 1 percent rate.

Nice double negative.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 07, 2021, 07:42:06 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/opinions/how-to-move-people-from-hesitant-to-vaccinated-bregman-jacobson/index.html

I'm not sure this guy "gets it".

At this point, I'm not lashing out at the unvaccinated in the hopes that it will change their minds. These morons are too thick-headed and mired in conspiracy theory groupthink to ever expect them to change.

I just want them to know they're assholes, and make sure that, even though their feeble little brains are not sophisticated enough to understand it, I've at least articulated to them why they're assholes. At that point the decision to continue being an asshole (which is a decision you can bet they will make, which is why I'm beyond trying to change minds) is theirs. And that's why they are worthy of being treated as pariahs (well that and the fact that it really is just the medically responsible thing to do).

I hope to see lots more draconian restrictions imposed on the unvaccinated in the coming months. Not because I think the assholes will stop being assholes, but because I just want to see them suffer for being assholes. They deserve it!

So yeah, I'm well aware that I'm not changing any minds by calling these idiots out. It's just cathartic, and I suspect that's how a lot of people who are doing it see it. And I will continue doing it, only because it feels good. Fuck 'em.

I hope the vaccinated catch the delta variant quickly and suffer convulsions and long lasting effects.

Fuck em.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a FE, why does the night sky appear different depending on your position?

« on: August 07, 2021, 07:19:32 PM »

I am stating there is going to be interference with line of sight caused by objects arising from the earth with these stars and it is an impossibility for it to be otherwise.

Why does it matter?  Forget the stars that you might not see due to obstructions, being generous cal that 20 degrees up from the horizon in all directions.  Focus on the 140 degrees you can easily see in all directions.  What is the explanation of why the stars in that region change as you move north/south such that at far north compared to far south latitude they are completely different.  Exactly what you expect when changing your position on a sphere, exactly NOT what you expect when doing so on a plane.

The angle of the view certainly changes, and you certainly are viewing them from a different direction. Sounds more like a celestial sphere to me.

As I explained earlier, one would expect to see different things overhead as you move on the flat earth plane.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a FE, why does the night sky appear different depending on your position?

« on: August 07, 2021, 02:39:42 PM »

I am stating there is going to be interference with line of sight caused by objects arising from the earth with these stars and it is an impossibility for it to be otherwise.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a FE, why does the night sky appear different depending on your position?

« on: August 07, 2021, 11:43:55 AM »

You will see 20 degrees up if that is the angle at which your eyes are aimed. But it matters not when those stars you claim should be visible to you are below a 20 degree position. You act as if your unfamiliar with a protractor.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: On gravity and the solar system.

« on: August 06, 2021, 01:27:51 PM »

I want to thank you for providing your input.

I have always believed gravity to be a lie and the idea of a solar system to be a complete and utter fabrication of fanciful sci fi enthusiasts. If it were as they say, then the entire thing could be rendered visually via a computer monitor or hologram, utilizing the values required to do so.

Of course, since it cannot, the entirety of it (i.e., the solar system, galaxies, etc.) is just pure BS. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a FE, why does the night sky appear different depending on your position?

« on: August 06, 2021, 01:12:49 PM »

The night sky seen from the northern and southern hemispheres is radially different.  No matter how powerful your telescope you can not see stars that are on the other side of the planet from your position.  That is what we observe and it makes perfect sense for a ball earth.  But why would it be true for a flat earth?

Despite the height of an object above our heads, it will eventually be obscured by objects arising from the flat earth plane.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Okay, let me elucidate.

A plane is flying from N to S.

You do not see it immediately due to clouds between you and the plane, but can hear it.

Then, it appears to you from between the clouds, then disappears again briefly, but reappears.

As it makes its way further S, it disappears behind a ten foot tall tree immediately behind you, then reappears briefly, only to disappear behind a water tower 1/2 mile away from you.
Then it finally disappears from your sight behind a distant line of low level clouds 10 miles down range of your position.

In the far north or far south the stars are completely different. How can you explain that for a flat earth?

That has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

I would expect to see different things over my head as I move about, even in a 10x12 room.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 06, 2021, 11:47:30 AM »

Tuberculosis and lung cancers are also respiratory illnesses that aren’t flus.

Alberta is taking the same approach as it would to any other respiratory illness.

That is a fact.

Context matters.  They are taking this approach because of the vaccine.

When you have no proof of a scientific nature in order to justify prior measures and are asked to provide it, but do not, then the reason why you are dropping it is evident.

Still waiting for this source that says they drooped it because Canada didn't provide any scientific evidence covid is dangerous.

No Canadian province has provided evidence for a pandemic.

Neither has any other country, for that matter.

That's a bold statement, given all the verifiable evidence we've seen of a pandemic. Which conservative voice is the puppeteer on this particular claim, if you don't mind my asking?

What verifiable evidence?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Volt Europa

« on: August 05, 2021, 07:08:54 PM »

Calling any ideas you don't like "socialist" is not an argument. Milton Friedman, one of the most notable free market capitalists of the 20th century and an advisor to Margaret Thatcher, supported the idea of a guaranteed minimum income. Instead of throwing bad, scary words around, perhaps articulate what you don't like about it?

Unremarkably, this is just a flat out piece of garbage claim.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 05, 2021, 07:06:25 PM »

Wait wait wait...

You consider something a pandemic if you can see the virus isolated?  Like in a petridish?

What, you think this is unusual?

Not surprising, based on your prior posts, so here it is.

Hw would your doctor know you actually have MRSA or strep throat or(perhaps closer to your own experience),  syphilis or gonorrhea or chlamydia?

..... Yes.  Yes it is unusual.  Ok, you need to learn words.  Go down to your local library.  Ask them for a dictionary.  And look up the word 'Pandemic'.  Because you have no idea what it is.


As for how my doctor knows... Based on symptoms and possibly some chemical tests of my blood.  Remember, doctors were diagnosing illnesses before the discovery of DNA.  Which came before the electron microscope.  Also, no doctor takes a swap, sends it to a lab where they filter out all but viruses, map each one's gnome, then check it via a database.  Is that what you honestly think they do?

No, they were not diagnosing illnesses. They administering treatments based on symptoms.

Jesus.

You need to just go lie down somewhere in the corner and take a rest.

The need to spread fear porn is overwhelming your ability to make cogent posts.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 05, 2021, 06:58:59 PM »

You know how electron microscopes create images, right?

Via a computer.

Making the date listed for image creation totally relevant.

Just another instance of the CDC pulling the RABBIT FROM THEIR ASS.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?

« on: August 05, 2021, 06:22:07 PM »

The first determinations of a circumference of the Earth, from the work of both Norwood and the French Geodesic Mission, were made in the 1600s and 1700s. Within reasonable bounds of error for the time, their results agreed, and further work since then has simply refined the figure.

The Greek astronomer Eratosthenes calculated the size within 5% of todays value in ~200BC.

BWHAHAHA!

The fact with all of these high falootin gadgets of today and some joker, that you have no objective evidence of actually existing, is magically within five percent of our most precise instruments speaks more to the reluctance of needing accuracy than it does the imagined rotundity of the earth.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a FE, why does the night sky appear different depending on your position?

« on: August 05, 2021, 06:17:58 PM »

... will eventually be obscured by objects arising from the flat earth plane.

... and these objects are .... what?

Bushes, trees, buildings, mountains, clouds, etc.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 05, 2021, 06:15:06 PM »

It didn’t take long to find electron microscopes images of the virus:

https://www.cdc.gov/media/subtopic/images.htm

*steps back so there is room to move the goalposts*

No need to move the goalposts.

Suddenly, the CDC forgets the first case of Covid in the US happened in 2019?

Renders the CDC images as false, by their own description.

It doesn’t say the case was in 2020.

Yes, it does.

Creation date - 2020.

That would be the date the image was created.

Well, the image would have actually been created the day it was examined.

Covid 19, first reported case in 2019.

How do you report it to be something if you haven't isolated the cause?

How do you isolate the cause unless you can see what it is?

Electron microscopes generate computer imagery, dated instantly on creation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 05, 2021, 05:45:23 PM »

It didn’t take long to find electron microscopes images of the virus:

https://www.cdc.gov/media/subtopic/images.htm

*steps back so there is room to move the goalposts*

No need to move the goalposts.

Suddenly, the CDC forgets the first case of Covid in the US happened in 2019?

Renders the CDC images as false, by their own description.

It doesn’t say the case was in 2020.

Yes, it does.

Creation date - 2020.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 05, 2021, 05:30:51 PM »

Yes, you should learn to understand that when MSM opens its yap, it is untrustworthy.

What's one of your non-MSM trusted sources to get news and such?

I have no trusted source of news in particular.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: August 05, 2021, 05:30:16 PM »

It didn’t take long to find electron microscopes images of the virus:

https://www.cdc.gov/media/subtopic/images.htm

*steps back so there is room to move the goalposts*

No need to move the goalposts.

Suddenly, the CDC forgets the first case of Covid in the US happened in 2019?

Renders the CDC images as false, by their own description.