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Re: Solar Roadways
« Reply #220 on: June 14, 2014, 01:20:22 AM »
What rooster said.

The project is going slow.  They built their own version in their own environment.
Next they'll build a parking lot or small road section in public.
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Re: Solar Roadways
« Reply #221 on: June 14, 2014, 04:14:21 AM »
When the numbers are only a portion of your argument and you can't get them right, what other misinformation are you spreading?
Seemingly none, given how much you cling to the fact that ballpark numbers are ballpark numbers.
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« Reply #222 on: June 14, 2014, 05:03:14 AM »
Being orders of magnitude off is hardly in the ballpark.

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« Reply #223 on: June 14, 2014, 01:35:54 PM »
Being orders of magnitude off is hardly in the ballpark.
I rest my case. You have nothing, other than a claim that the ridiculous numbers should be different ridiculous numbers.
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« Reply #224 on: June 14, 2014, 02:12:58 PM »
So I guess accuracy isn't at all important when trying to refute an argument?

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« Reply #225 on: June 14, 2014, 02:36:48 PM »
Can we at least agree that the project is not done yet and requires more testing and final numbers on implementation and longevity?
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« Reply #226 on: June 14, 2014, 02:50:39 PM »
So I guess accuracy isn't at all important when trying to refute an argument?
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« Reply #227 on: June 14, 2014, 11:06:13 PM »
So I guess accuracy isn't at all important when trying to refute an argument?
That's the very point you're responding to right now, yes.

He isn't helping his case by using faulty numbers.
When the numbers are multiple orders of magnitude outside of anything realistic or practical, accuracy isn't all that necessary.
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« Reply #228 on: June 15, 2014, 12:06:48 AM »
This has my full support.
The pictures really do it for me.
I wonder has he tested a Prius on the panels yet.

Interesting.

Re: Solar Roadways
« Reply #229 on: June 15, 2014, 12:30:42 AM »
Can we at least agree that the project is not done yet and requires more testing and final numbers on implementation and longevity?

I suppose. But its never going to pave USAmericas roads. Ever.

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« Reply #230 on: June 15, 2014, 02:13:14 AM »
Can we at least agree that the project is not done yet and requires more testing and final numbers on implementation and longevity?

I suppose. But its never going to pave USAmericas roads. Ever.
You're probably right.  Even if the technology was dirt cheap, lasted 100 years, and was proven to produce enough energy for us to sell to Canada AND Mexico it would never pave American roads.

Americans are just too damn stupid.
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« Reply #231 on: June 15, 2014, 02:45:38 AM »
Even if the technology was dirt cheap, lasted 100 years, and was proven to produce enough energy for us to sell to Canada AND Mexico it would never pave American roads.
Then its just as well that it's none of those things.
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« Reply #232 on: June 15, 2014, 03:11:24 PM »
Americans are just too damn stupid.

Well if it did all of those things then it probably would get picked up. I imagine BP would snap them up in a jiffy. Maybe they still will. There might be some innovation in the company that's worth buying. In the long run, from the perspective of the company, that's probably the best outcome. .... googles.... oh aparently Scott and Julie hold no patents on the technology ... which is cool because free software and all that ... but now BP will fuck them til they look like tubes.

This actually makes me sad. He and his wife seem like a cool people but they just needs to cover their bases and reign in the ideas.

Here's a TED talk Scott did:

I didn't watch the whole thing, but skipping through he starts talking about creating a water filtration system from road surface run off. And covering roads with recycled trash. And recharging electric cars (why no nuclear cars >:( )

He just needs to be reigned in. His wife is probably just as bad as him in terms of untethered dreams.

Think about Segway. Segway was a brilliant, largely finished product, that did a simple thing based on innovative sensors and software. According to the hype Segway was going to revolutionise the world. Roads and cities were going to be rebuilt around this new device. It never happened.

Now imagine if Segway was covered in special paint that made it more streamlined and efficient, and it had special sensors that were linked to a satellite network so you could perform maintenance checks remotely, and it had lasers to detect nearby electrical charging points.

Now imagine all these features were only half developed. Now imagine how even less successful Segway would have been.

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« Reply #233 on: June 15, 2014, 03:26:05 PM »
I definitely agree about getting his ideas reigned in. They need to focus on the practical real world possibilities. If that works out then they can think about military spy panels and the like.

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« Reply #234 on: June 15, 2014, 03:49:04 PM »
I definitely agree about getting his ideas reigned in. They need to focus on the practical real world possibilities. If that works out then they can think about military spy panels and the like.
Agreed.
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« Reply #235 on: June 16, 2014, 05:19:50 PM »
Military supply panels was a stupid pitch. The government already has those. NASA uses them to survey other planets.
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Re: Solar Roadways
« Reply #236 on: June 16, 2014, 07:38:53 PM »
I really want to donate to this, but can anyone tell me why they need public funding in the first place?
I was thinking of donating, but then I thought, why wouldn't the state fund this?

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« Reply #237 on: June 16, 2014, 07:58:44 PM »
As I recall, they did get some state (or federal) funding.  That's how they paid for the prototypes.
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« Reply #238 on: June 16, 2014, 08:03:10 PM »
I really want to donate to this, but can anyone tell me why they need public funding in the first place?
I was thinking of donating, but then I thought, why wouldn't the state fund this?

They don't fund it because its quite frankly a stupid idea that will not take off. The reasons for this have been explained thoroughly in this thread.

You should spend your money on Nuclear Freakin Roadways instead.

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« Reply #239 on: June 16, 2014, 08:08:58 PM »
I really want to donate to this, but can anyone tell me why they need public funding in the first place?
I was thinking of donating, but then I thought, why wouldn't the state fund this?

They don't fund it because its quite frankly a stupid idea that will not take off. The reasons for this have been explained thoroughly in this thread.

You should spend your money on Nuclear Freakin Roadways instead.
False. The Federal Highway Administration funded two prototypes.

http://www.solarroadways.com/faq.shtml#faqTesting
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We have been working for years with just the two of us and a handful of volunteers. We have now reached the point that we need a team of engineers to help us make some final adjustments in our panels and streamline the production process to bring costs down and allow us to produce them more quickly. That is exactly what we are going to use the funding for. We are proud to start offering jobs, the more funds we get, the more we can offer. We can also start building machinery for assembly of the Solar Road Panels. You wouldn't believe how many solar cells we broke while assembling 108 prototype panels!

We don't know where the misconception has come from that we need to pay for projects. The Federal Highway Administration funded two prototypes for us and now we have a very long list of potential customers waiting for our panels to be ready for purchase.
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