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« Reply #9960 on: September 10, 2022, 06:30:19 PM »
I stand corrected.
Makes me wonder how they fucked up the election cases so badly.
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« Reply #9961 on: September 10, 2022, 06:33:30 PM »
Rudy Giuliani is in his own legal trouble with Georgia which I thi k will eventually involve trump. Not sure Rudy is allowed to represent trump at this time.

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« Reply #9962 on: September 10, 2022, 06:34:37 PM »
Well at least he has this guy:

One of his attorneys works at a firm that lists one of its specialties as RV law.

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« Reply #9963 on: September 10, 2022, 06:40:03 PM »
Well at least he has this guy:

One of his attorneys works at a firm that lists one of its specialties as RV law.

Yes, because only poor people have RVs.


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« Reply #9964 on: September 10, 2022, 06:50:27 PM »
Christopher Kise is probably his best guy.
Followed by his insurance lawyer.
Then the one that represented Steve Bannon when he was found guilty.
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« Reply #9965 on: September 10, 2022, 07:29:04 PM »
Actually Rudy Guliani was a famous lawyer before he represented Trump. He was at least as known as Johnny Cochran. He was known for taking down the mob.

This lady says that he doesn't count because the media doesn't portray him in a good light anymore. The media liked Cochran defending OJ but not Guliani defending Trump. She thinks Trump should be represented by someone the liberal media portrays in a good light, which just shows her ignorance.

If Cochran was still alive and represented Trump, and was then subsequently demonized, I can only imagine she would be saying that "all he has is that has been Cochran who defended a killer and beat his wife, where are the great ones who took down the mob?"

Rudy Giuliani had not been viewed favorably for at least a decade and had very little to no experience in federal court. Trump’s counsel over the past few years have all shown themselves to be unable to file basic motions in courts with a high degree of competency. Look at what the judge said when dismissing Trump’s most recent failed suit, the RICO case against HRC. It was extremely critical of the quality of lawyering involved. To be fair, I don’t think Trump has demonstrably shitty lawyers because he is guilty. I think he has them because he treats his lawyers unprofessionally, so anyone who respects their profession and their bank account isn’t interested.
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« Reply #9966 on: September 10, 2022, 07:31:56 PM »
Well at least he has this guy:

One of his attorneys works at a firm that lists one of its specialties as RV law.

Yes, because only poor people have RVs.



You don’t want an RV lawyer when you are defending against espionage claims being brought by the DOJ.
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« Reply #9967 on: September 10, 2022, 07:46:32 PM »
You don’t want an RV lawyer when you are defending against espionage claims being brought by the DOJ.

Actually it says that other lawyers in one of Trump's lawyer's law firm has knowledge of RV law and offers legal services in that area. This is a particularly poor criticism. Whoever that is likely has this as a subsection of automobile law they have knowledge of.

RVs are either luxury items for well off and wealthy or a vagrant home for the very poor and in no way indicates the quality of the law firm. Law firms tend not to cater to the very poor anyway and it is reasonable to believe that they are catering to the people who are more likely to pay their legal bills.
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« Reply #9968 on: September 10, 2022, 08:35:36 PM »
You don’t want an RV lawyer when you are defending against espionage claims being brought by the DOJ.

Actually it says that other lawyers in one of Trump's lawyer's law firm has knowledge of RV law and offers legal services in that area. This is a particularly poor criticism. Whoever that is likely has this as a subsection of automobile law they have knowledge of.

RVs are either luxury items for well off and wealthy or a vagrant home for the very poor and in no way indicates the quality of the law firm. Law firms tend not to cater to the very poor anyway and it is reasonable to believe that they are catering to the people who are more likely to pay their legal bills.

Like the RNC?
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« Reply #9969 on: September 10, 2022, 08:56:27 PM »
You don’t want an RV lawyer when you are defending against espionage claims being brought by the DOJ.

Actually it says that other lawyers in one of Trump's lawyer's law firm has knowledge of RV law and offers legal services in that area. This is a particularly poor criticism. Whoever that is likely has this as a subsection of automobile law they have knowledge of.

RVs are either luxury items for well off and wealthy or a vagrant home for the very poor and in no way indicates the quality of the law firm. Law firms tend not to cater to the very poor anyway and it is reasonable to believe that they are catering to the people who are more likely to pay their legal bills.

Let’s phrase this positively then: you really want a lawyer who is an expert in national security to represent you in cases pertaining to the espionage act.

Trump doesn’t have one of those and it’s pretty obvious to everyone who has reviewed his lawyer’s filings in this case. If it weren’t for a judge, who Trump appointed, making the arguments his lawyers should have, he wouldn’t have this special master ruling currently under appeal.  As it stands there is a good chance the 11th circuit is going to hold a legal zippo to the ruling.
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« Reply #9970 on: September 10, 2022, 10:03:30 PM »
Law firms tend not to cater to the very poor anyway and it is reasonable to believe that they are catering to the people who are more likely to pay their legal bills.

It is reasonable to believe that getting paid may not be likely...From your article:
Some of Trump’s former attorneys have accused him of not fully paying them for their services.

Perhaps that's why his best, Christopher Krise, quit his law firm:
He previously worked for the law firm Foley & Lardner.

His profile page on the firm's website has since been removed. An unnamed source at the firm confirmed to Reuters that Kise, formerly a partner at the Tallahassee office, withdrew from the firm.


Trump's former all-stars haven't faired very well. Not only did all of their stop-the-steal filings get tossed (wasn't it like 60 something 'release the Kraken' attempts...The Kraken apparently drowned in hair dye), but Rudy Giuliani's law license was suspended in New York and Washington, D.C. & the Texas State Bar alleges Sidney Powell committed professional misconduct with election lawsuits — Disbarment afoot? All ethics violations are pending.

Not to mention the suits brought forth against them by Dominion Voting Systems.

At least Jenna Ellis got a gig at failing Newsmax - However, the outlet isn't fairing very well either:

Newsmax Media Inc.’s effort in court to portray its coverage of the 2020 presidential election as fair and balanced was picked apart by a Delaware judge who ruled the conservative news outlet must face a $1.6 billion defamation suit filed by Dominion Voting Systems Inc.

Let's just hope that Trump's new cadre of legal eagles will fair better. He sure knows how to pick'em. Maybe the Pillow Guy can pitch in and help.

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« Reply #9971 on: September 11, 2022, 01:43:04 AM »
Actually Rudy Guliani was a famous lawyer before he represented Trump. He was at least as known as Johnny Cochran. He was known for taking down the mob.

This lady says that he doesn't count because the media doesn't portray him in a good light anymore. The media liked Cochran defending OJ but not Guliani defending Trump. She thinks Trump should be represented by someone the liberal media portrays in a good light, which just shows her ignorance.
Rudy doesn't count because he has enough of his own legal problems to worry about. 
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/07/rudy-giulianis-dc-law-license-is-suspended-.html
https://apnews.com/article/rudy-giuliani-new-york-law-license-suspended-c67f4504a22f8642d6096f29e3a5c51e

Also, Trump already stiffed Rudy on his legal expenses for the election fraud case.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/giuliani-trump-campaign-free-deposition-1239522/
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« Reply #9972 on: September 11, 2022, 12:04:14 PM »
Let’s phrase this positively then: you really want a lawyer who is an expert in national security to represent you in cases pertaining to the espionage act.

Trump doesn’t have one of those and it’s pretty obvious to everyone who has reviewed his lawyer’s filings in this case. If it weren’t for a judge, who Trump appointed, making the arguments his lawyers should have, he wouldn’t have this special master ruling currently under appeal.  As it stands there is a good chance the 11th circuit is going to hold a legal zippo to the ruling.

You are simply wrong that the lawyers aren't being selected based on their specific experience. The new lawyers were added based on their experience:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-reportedly-adds-former-florida-solicitor-general-and-ron-desantis-ally-to-legal-team-in-aftermath-of-mar-a-lago-search/

    Boasting a long record in state and federal courts, Kise successfully argued four cases before the Supreme Court of the United States and dozens of others before the Supreme Court of Florida, according to his biography.

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    Kise came with high recommendations from Brian Ballard, a top bundler for Trump and DeSantis once described by Politico as the “Most Powerful Lobbyist in Trump’s Washington.”

    “Chris is not only my friend, he is one of the finest lawyers I have ever met,” Ballard told NBC News. “His unique experience is perfectly suited to assist (former) President Trump.”

Did you actually go through the decades of litigation of these lawyers and determine that they did not have the experience, or are you just talking out of your rear end again?
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« Reply #9973 on: September 11, 2022, 03:28:04 PM »
Well at least he has this guy:

One of his attorneys works at a firm that lists one of its specialties as RV law.

Yes, because only poor people have RVs.



You don’t want an RV lawyer when you are defending against espionage claims being brought by the DOJ.

What if the classified material is rv related?

Ever think of that?

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« Reply #9974 on: September 11, 2022, 03:55:29 PM »
Let’s phrase this positively then: you really want a lawyer who is an expert in national security to represent you in cases pertaining to the espionage act.

Trump doesn’t have one of those and it’s pretty obvious to everyone who has reviewed his lawyer’s filings in this case. If it weren’t for a judge, who Trump appointed, making the arguments his lawyers should have, he wouldn’t have this special master ruling currently under appeal.  As it stands there is a good chance the 11th circuit is going to hold a legal zippo to the ruling.

You are simply wrong that the lawyers aren't being selected based on their specific experience. The new lawyers were added based on their experience:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-reportedly-adds-former-florida-solicitor-general-and-ron-desantis-ally-to-legal-team-in-aftermath-of-mar-a-lago-search/

    Boasting a long record in state and federal courts, Kise successfully argued four cases before the Supreme Court of the United States and dozens of others before the Supreme Court of Florida, according to his biography.

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    Kise came with high recommendations from Brian Ballard, a top bundler for Trump and DeSantis once described by Politico as the “Most Powerful Lobbyist in Trump’s Washington.”

    “Chris is not only my friend, he is one of the finest lawyers I have ever met,” Ballard told NBC News. “His unique experience is perfectly suited to assist (former) President Trump.”

Did you actually go through the decades of litigation of these lawyers and determine that they did not have the experience, or are you just talking out of your rear end again?

That's a lot of words to not address what I have written.  Not surprising, of course.
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« Reply #9975 on: September 12, 2022, 04:45:45 PM »
This classified document affair is turning somewhat like Trump’s botched attempt to steal the 2020 election. We have people saying Trump had a standing order to classify documents, but none of their filings or arguements so far have positively asserted that the documents in Trump’s possession were unclassified, just that the DOJ purports them to be “classified” and that they are Trump’s presidential records. Pretty funny.
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« Reply #9976 on: September 12, 2022, 06:00:04 PM »
This classified document affair is turning somewhat like Trump’s botched attempt to steal the 2020 election. We have people saying Trump had a standing order to classify documents, but none of their filings or arguements so far have positively asserted that the documents in Trump’s possession were unclassified, just that the DOJ purports them to be “classified” and that they are Trump’s presidential records. Pretty funny.

I heard the "special master" needs a Top Secret coearance level too.  Which Trump's team is saying.  And thst can take months to get.
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« Reply #9977 on: September 12, 2022, 06:02:24 PM »
Trump is being unfairly targeted by the deep state. The swamp will be drained soon. All part of the plan. Two more weeks!

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« Reply #9978 on: September 12, 2022, 06:08:29 PM »
You are simply wrong that the lawyers aren't being selected based on their specific experience. The new lawyers were added based on their experience:

Trump seems to select lawyers and judges by whether or not they look good on TV.
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« Reply #9979 on: September 12, 2022, 06:25:09 PM »
This classified document affair is turning somewhat like Trump’s botched attempt to steal the 2020 election. We have people saying Trump had a standing order to classify documents, but none of their filings or arguements so far have positively asserted that the documents in Trump’s possession were unclassified, just that the DOJ purports them to be “classified” and that they are Trump’s presidential records. Pretty funny.

I heard the "special master" needs a Top Secret coearance level too.  Which Trump's team is saying.  And thst can take months to get.

The names put forth by both sides for the position might already have ts/sci.  Well the DOJ side would anyways.

This classified document affair is turning somewhat like Trump’s botched attempt to steal the 2020 election. We have people saying Trump had a standing order to classify documents, but none of their filings or arguements so far have positively asserted that the documents in Trump’s possession were unclassified, just that the DOJ purports them to be “classified” and that they are Trump’s presidential records. Pretty funny.

An invisible standing order from when he was president to declassify...

I wonder if he'll do the same thing for any pardons anyone needs in the future.