1981

Flat Earth Theory / Re: It's only a matter of time when the Gilded-Aged Flat Earth belief is no longer

« on: February 17, 2018, 06:52:13 PM »

Perhaps not in my lifetime. But, technology will continue to advance and it will happen. Likely, a very scary thought for a Flat Earther as it threatens their Societies very existence.

Well if it isn't going to happen in our life times, who the hell cares? How is that a scary thought for a flat earther? That's like worrying about the universe coming to an end, an alien invasion in the year 8000AD, the second coming of Christ or WW3. When I'm dead, I won't even own the money in my bank account. You lose everything when you are dead. Why would you care about TFES any more than losing your family who will also die, your home, your dog or even your favourite pair of socks? None of these things keep me up at night, and neither does the thought of someone one day potentially proving the earth round. Right now all the evidence points to earth being flat ... and that's good enough for me.

1982

Flat Earth Theory / Re: It's only a matter of time when the Gilded-Aged Flat Earth belief is no longer

« on: February 17, 2018, 04:43:23 PM »

Technology advancements will sooner or later see consumer space travel as a reality ...

Not in your lifetime. We've been promised space travel since the 1960s. Telling people you'll fly them to space is an age old scam to get  them interested in your every day mundane products.

First used by Howard Hughes to promote TWA, every other space shyster since has promised the same thing.




Richard Branson promised space flight in 2004 to make the first flights by 2007. We're still waiting. It is just a halo project to get you to fly Virgin Atlantic.




McDonalds promised a McDonalds on the moon in 2006, due to open in 2015.

McDonald's shares were up 3 1/4 on the announcement in active late-afternoon trading.

They then promised it again in 2016!



Google's X prize competition is over. No one won.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/science/google-lunar-x-prize-moon.html


And monorail salesman Elon Musk just becomes the latest in a long line of space shysters, all promising the moon whilst hawking more earthly products upon you. Space tourism is a marketing gimmick. If you are stupid enough to believe it, that's on you ... but you'll always be disappointed.

1983

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Soliloquies

« on: February 16, 2018, 10:49:31 PM »

1984

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Soliloquies

« on: February 16, 2018, 05:18:06 PM »

Murica has never not been broken. It is still the wild west and a man can still pull out a gun in a bar and shoot you, because he doesn't like your boots. Yeehaw!

The British tried to give you all some manners, but you chose freedom instead. Enjoy your freedom.

1985

Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Ice Wall Must Be Very Tall

« on: February 14, 2018, 09:53:48 PM »

The earth is covered by the vault of heaven ... the firmament.

The firmament is defined as a crystalline material that enshrines the earth.




IE it keeps the air in. No need for a huge wall.

1986

Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is beyond the Ice Wall?

« on: February 14, 2018, 09:41:24 PM »

Thork, if you believe in God, then surely you believe something can be infinite. Otherwise you are going to run in to serious metaphysical problems.

God seems to describe Himself as finite. He has a beginning and an end.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

1987

Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is beyond the Ice Wall?

« on: February 12, 2018, 10:11:45 AM »

The Earth is an infinite plane, Thork, there is no edge, likely or otherwise.

How ridiculous. Infinity is a man made number. It does not exist anywhere in nature at all. The grains of sand on a beach is finite. The stars in the sky is finite. The atoms in the universe are finite. And if the number of atoms is finite, so must be the size of the earth. It cannot go on forever. Also if the earth were infinite, then the earth would be the floor of the universe and the universe itself would have to be infinite stretching out across the floor. Finally all things would be on the floor. All comets, all planets, all stars ... all would fall to the infinite earth. With an infinite earth you can't have UA, as you need infinite power to accelerate an infinite earth. So an infinite floor with infinite gravity, yup, everything would be on the floor.

Infinity only exists in the minds of men. As does this stupid theory. Quite how this infinite earth theory, devised by the drunkard John Davis and followed up by no one has gained any traction on this site, I have no idea. It should have been left with the window lickers on the other site.

There are no texts advocating an infinite earth, there is no historical reference to such a thing, no great minds have ever endorsed such an idea ... it is a thought experiment for idiots. It isn't how the world really is. We should distance ourselves from such low-brow muppetry, else we risk damaging our credibility and world authority on earth's shape.

1988

Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is beyond the Ice Wall?

« on: February 12, 2018, 12:40:43 AM »

Then set up an expedition, because we don't know either.

Why not? Why is it that no one has even seen this ice wall? Or if they have, they hadn't taken photos of it?

He didn't ask about the ice-wall. He asked what is beyond it. Sure there is a wall. Tons of pictures of that. What is beyond ... anyone's guess, but likely the edge of the world.

1989

Flat Earth Theory / Re: How big is the galaxy

« on: February 10, 2018, 05:58:35 PM »

I'll answer in terms of the universe instead of galaxy, because I feel galaxy is just an arbitrary boundary, which has no real meaning.

Here we go again. Snowflakes choosing feels over facts. No one cares how you feel.

The galaxy has a galactic centre. Around which stars, planets, comets, rocks, black holes etc revolve. In flat earth theory the earth is the galactic centre. In RE it is a super black hole some way away that no one has ever actually seen. The things revolving around the galactic centre are part of the galaxy. Anything not revolving around it is not. So drawing a boundary is very easy.

Is it moving with everything else around the centre? Yes? Count it. How far is it? Is it the furthest thing that counts? great. Join the dots of all such objects to get a perimeter. Also screw being British. Why am I forced to spell metre, kilometre, millimetre, with a stupid french 're' and then gas meter, diameter, barometer, parameter and perimeter all get the germanic 'er' treatment. Who decides the centre is re and the perimeter is er? That's bloody ridiculous. Filter/fibre, sober/sabre, enter/centre, colander/calendar ... ar ffs! There's already lots to remember in life! 

As if saying the Earth was flat wasn't enough, but now it's the gravitational centre of the galaxy as well?

Who said anything about gravity?

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=2635.msg66165#msg66165

1990

Flat Earth Theory / Re: How big is the galaxy

« on: February 09, 2018, 11:53:31 PM »

I'll answer in terms of the universe instead of galaxy, because I feel galaxy is just an arbitrary boundary, which has no real meaning.

Here we go again. Snowflakes choosing feels over facts. No one cares how you feel.

The galaxy has a galactic centre. Around which stars, planets, comets, rocks, black holes etc revolve. In flat earth theory the earth is the galactic centre. In RE it is a super black hole some way away that no one has ever actually seen. The things revolving around the galactic centre are part of the galaxy. Anything not revolving around it is not. So drawing a boundary is very easy.

Is it moving with everything else around the centre? Yes? Count it. How far is it? Is it the furthest thing that counts? great. Join the dots of all such objects to get a perimeter. Also screw being British. Why am I forced to spell metre, kilometre, millimetre, with a stupid french 're' and then gas meter, diameter, barometer, parameter and perimeter all get the germanic 'er' treatment. Who decides the centre is re and the perimeter is er? That's bloody ridiculous. Filter/fibre, sober/sabre, enter/centre, colander/calendar ... ar ffs! There's already lots to remember in life! 

1991

Flat Earth Theory / Re: "It's true, I saw it on the Internet!"

« on: February 09, 2018, 05:11:28 PM »

At least your corpse could observe the shape of the earth for itself.

1992

Flat Earth Theory / Re: "It's true, I saw it on the Internet!"

« on: February 09, 2018, 04:29:55 PM »

One day a man is going to silently pull up behind you and fry you with a flamethrower. Musk isn't all failed projects and fake hair you know.

1993

Flat Earth Theory / Re: "It's true, I saw it on the Internet!"

« on: February 09, 2018, 04:10:08 PM »

Somehow Pete squeaked into the Evening Standard.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/spacex-falcon-heavy-rocket-conspiracy-theorists-flat-earth-society-blast-elon-musks-astonishing-a3761471.html

1994

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wiki and Forum Order on Home Page

« on: February 08, 2018, 09:37:13 PM »

We have a way of reducing it. Junker moves the threads into CN.

1995

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wiki and Forum Order on Home Page

« on: February 08, 2018, 09:20:36 PM »

You could put a flashing box in front of every page that requires a captcha to get past saying "Read the FAQ before you ask about gravity, type I'll read the FAQ to continue" and people would still make explain gravity threads.

I consider those people as the sort who sit on benches clearly marked wet paint, and lose a hand at the zoo next to signs saying don't feed the animals. There's a lot of dumb people out there. Its the internet ... the place where they collect and loiter.

1996

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wiki and Forum Order on Home Page

« on: February 08, 2018, 09:04:15 PM »

We have an FAQ. That's to stop quickfire stupid questions.

The wiki is more of a collaborative effort for people who want a more in-depth overview. I would hope by the time they are that interested in FET, they would have engaged the community to share their enthusiasm.

1997

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wiki and Forum Order on Home Page

« on: February 08, 2018, 07:16:41 PM »

Do we want a site that is used as a wiki and no one ever visits the forums?

If we had to pick, a wiki OR a forum, which would we pick? A wiki isn't much fun. We don't all contribute to that daily.

The forum is the point of the site. You can read FE theories anywhere online. People come here specifically because they can interact with flat earthers. Its our only selling point. So why would you hide the forum further down the list of things to see than the wiki? If the wiki hits search terms and drives traffic (its purpose and exactly what it does), and that traffic winds up on the forum ... that's the same as putting your best products in the front of the shop window. If we encourage people to read the wiki and they never post ... so what? That's like a tree falling in a forest. I don't really care if it made a sound or not.

The question is whether the forum link and the wiki link should be swapped on the home page. That's, like, less than an inch of movement. Nothing's being hidden. What kind of nonsense fatalism are you pulling out of your ass here?

Also, that "tree falling in a forest" makes no sense in this context. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

So why swap it?

when you build a web site it takes the following form.

Home       About Us       Products/Services      Testimonials/Blog/Portfolio       Contact


Its called a 5 page website. They aren't necessarily 5 pages. But they take you on a journey.
The home page is the tl;dr version of the website. It is a landing page, with the summary of everything else in order. And you can scroll down with your mobile and click into the bit you care about.
The rest takes the following form.

Who we are
What we do
Proof we are good at it
Here's how to contact us.

Its very standard. You'll see it everywhere. About/Company is next to home. Next is services/products. Then some kind of proof. An artist might have a gallery, a web designer might have a portfolio, a vegan evangelist might have a blog, and contact is always on the far right.

So for our site

Who we are - well you meet us on the forum
What we do/believe - read the wiki
Proof we are good at it/know what we are talking about - library with sources
Shop - meh (its extra)
And if we ever get a press section going it should live on the right as how to contact us.

No one planned it. Its intuitive. Its how most websites work. And by subliminal indoctrination the people here set it up in the right order.

Forum is where it should be and where you'd expect to find it if you had never visited before. Thus spake Baby Thork.

1998

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wiki and Forum Order on Home Page

« on: February 08, 2018, 06:33:50 PM »

Do we want a site that is used as a wiki and no one ever visits the forums?

If we had to pick, a wiki OR a forum, which would we pick? A wiki isn't much fun. We don't all contribute to that daily.

The forum is the point of the site. You can read FE theories anywhere online. People come here specifically because they can interact with flat earthers. Its our only selling point. So why would you hide the forum further down the list of things to see than the wiki? If the wiki hits search terms and drives traffic (its purpose and exactly what it does), and that traffic winds up on the forum ... that's the same as putting your best products in the front of the shop window. If we encourage people to read the wiki and they never post ... so what? That's like a tree falling in a forest. I don't really care if it made a sound or not.

1999

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wiki and Forum Order on Home Page

« on: February 08, 2018, 06:25:14 PM »

Why do we want wiki visitors? What does a wiki visitor contribute?

Its one less question or one block of copy pasta that we does not need answering.

So it protects the forum from spam. Then surely you are admitting the forum is the most important part and the wiki is just there to support it.

2000

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wiki and Forum Order on Home Page

« on: February 08, 2018, 06:09:22 PM »

Why do we want wiki visitors? What does a wiki visitor contribute?