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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Are plane tickets real?
« on: July 10, 2020, 10:56:09 AM »
I love the "air refueling" theory.  Show me where on the 787 the refueling hose goes in.  Better yet, explain how a flight distance on a FE which should take more than 24 hours, is accomplished in 13 hours, and why air refueling would be necessary.  The 787 has an 8,000 nautical mile range which I more than enough to get from Sydney to Santiago on a round Earth, however, no way it will make it in 13 hrs on a FE...

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OK.  If the creator of this string actually read all of the string from the source, the poster of the picture tells you almost exactly where he took the picture from--Near Tarrent County/Parker County lines and White settlement Road.  This makes the distance from where the photo was taken and Dallas to be approximately 43.3 miles.  Another thing the initiator of this string failed to mention is that the altitude of the photo's location and Dallas are strikingly different.  This is not taken at sea level, kids. 

I took 10 random elevations around the county line/White Settlement road intersection (ranging from 787 -925 feet) and took the lowest of the values (just to put myself at the greatest disadvantage possible) of 787 feet.  Just to remind you, the highest elevation was 925 feet and I BET the photographer was a lot closer to that elevation since he said it was his "favorite hill", but lets go with the lower.  Now the elevation of Dallas off of Google is 430 feet, but as you will see, it does not matter.  I used an altitude website to estimate altitude for 10 random areas around downtown Dallas area and the values I got ranged from 400-479 with the average being 438 feet, so pretty dang close.  Using zero refraction and an Earth curve calculator, the hidden distance from 787 feet high was a mere 52.2 feet--above sea level.  Using standard refraction, this dropped to a measly 3 feet. 

So can you see Dallas from that vantage point?  On a clear day, YES, every day and twice on Sunday.  So no, this is not proof of a flat earth.  Next…

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The problem with your model is it is using 2D to try to explain a 3D phenomenon.  You suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect where you think you know a significant amount about astronomy when you have never actually taken any formal course or discussed this with someone who has. 

There is a path in the sky that the moon and the planets traverse though called the ecliptic. They all vary somewhat above or below this by a few degrees, but they all are pretty close to following this line all year long.   If you took a picture of the moon in the sky from rise to set, it will follow that path. Depending on the time of year and your lattitude, this path will change.  If you take a picture of the moon in the sky and draw a straight line through the moon of where this pathway is (the ecliptic line) the line will point directly where the sunlight is coming from.  But since you are on a globe, it appears to have tilt. 

I have a question for you: while you are looking at the moon in the sky, try watching the ISS in the sky.  You can find predicted paths on Heavens Above.com.  Flat Earthers love to say "open your eyes" to globers, but I have not had a flat farther to date take me up on this simple task which makes me wonder if you are actually putting into practice the "open your eyes" mantra.  Pick a viewing date/time where the ISS passes through or by a familiar object in the sky, like the moon or a planet or constellation.  After you see the ISS pass by/through this object at the exact second it is predicted to do so, reply with your explanation how anything in the atmosphere would have that ability to travel through the sky with such precision such that YOU could see it do so any particular night you happened to look up in the sky?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« on: January 03, 2019, 12:59:23 PM »
Because the Earth is not flat...

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: the ISS light in the sky is fake, right?
« on: January 02, 2019, 06:05:49 PM »
This youtube video shows in excruciating detail how they calculated the distance to the ISS using similar, but way cooler information. 


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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: the ISS light in the sky is fake, right?
« on: January 01, 2019, 10:16:48 PM »
Of course this is not a flat Earth experiment.  It is an experiment to prove the Earth is a globe and that satellites, including ISS, are real and that their altitude can be calculated.  If I made that the title of the string, though, no flatters would read...

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: the ISS light in the sky is fake, right?
« on: January 01, 2019, 07:21:19 AM »
This is not a flat earth experiment.  This is an experiment to determine how high the ISS is.  A ancillary discovery that the earth is actually round is an added bonus...

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: the ISS light in the sky is fake, right?
« on: January 01, 2019, 12:45:17 AM »
Yes and no.  With only 250 miles between the 2 people on the Earth surface, the curvature of the Earth is negligible for the purposes of this experiment.  We get "close enough" since we are merely trying to prove that the Earth is over a hundred miles high, not to the mile.  Point has been proven.  Furthermore, with the reducing height as we get to extremes of angle only further prove Earth curvature the values of which can be calculated and confirmed.  The Earth is round and the ISS is real, and over 200 miles high.   This proves it.

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Flat Earth Investigations / the ISS light in the sky is fake, right?
« on: December 31, 2018, 06:43:25 PM »
That is what my sister tells me.  I decided to use some basic math and see for myself. 

Hopefully you all know what a right triangle is.  It has a 90 degree angle, and it is a unique triangle in that if you are given one of the acute angles (one of the other 2 angles less than 90 degrees) and the length of a side, you can determine the length of the other sides using basic geometry. 

Here is a right triangle:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_triangle#/media/File:Rtriangle.svg

Now pretend on this triangle that at points A and C, you and a friend are standing on the Earth's surface.  Point B is the "alleged" ISS light in the sky.  There are many websites such as HeavensAbove.com that will show, when you input your location, information about ISS sightings, such as how high in the sky it will appear, and when.  Using this information, and a little patience, you can find a location in the US where the ISS is flying directly overhead--exactly 90 degrees overhead.  Let me know if you have trouble and I can talk you through it.

This point where ISS is directly overhead, 90 degrees, is point C.  Now you go there, and send your friend to a location 50-250 miles away.  According to the website, it will tell you from this second site, A, how high in the sky you will see the ISS.  This will be in a maximum height in degrees.  Find a location A where the highest ISS angle in the sky occurs at the exact same time (within a few seconds) as the direct overhead pass at point C.  Now you have your right triangle, with 2 givens--the distance between the 2 locations, b, and angle A.  When you see the ISS at point A, you can confirm that it is at the advertised angle.  You can now calculate the approximate height of the ISS, side a.  According to my calculations, and I have done this multiple times, the height of the ISS light is approximately 235 miles above the Earth's surface.  Yes, 235 miles.

I guess if you doubted there were maybe multiple flying objects in the sky, you could always get other friends to go to locations along line b in between A and C and confirm that they are not seeing 2 (or more ) objects in the sky at the same time. 

The interesting thing is that at angles for A that are extreme, such as close to 10 degrees, the height of ISS seems to be lower and lower as you get further away (around 150 miles high at 10 degrees).  I couldn't understand why for the longest time, until I figured it out.  As A and C get further away, I was not taking into account the effect on the calculations due to Earth curvature.  Line b is not truly a straight line, but a curved line.  When I got into some circle math, I was able to correct for this precisely. 

I would love to hear anyone's experience with this easy experiment and simple observation. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Help Me debunk this stupid video
« on: December 31, 2018, 06:17:27 PM »
It IS real.  That is why it looks real.  Don't feel stupid bc you can't "debunk" reality. 

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