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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2022, 03:15:42 AM »
But both the abuse of women in Afghanistan and the abuse of prisoners in America are irrelevant to the thread topic of Monkeypox.
You brought up the morals of the Taliban.

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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #81 on: August 24, 2022, 08:05:09 PM »
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How can allowing all the points that have been well documented be described as "strong morals"?  That's rather like saying that besides the fact that the patient died, the operation was a success.

I agreed that abuse of women was wrong. It is wrong to say that an entire culture has no other possible redeeming qualities because some things are bad, however.

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The Taliban is not ok with this, but are you ok with this?:

Image Title - Two Gay Men Kissing

I don't care if they kiss.

The Taliban doesn't seem so bad. Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise.

- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies

Yeah, no faults there...

Afghanistan: Taliban Target LGBT Afghans

The Taliban reaffirmed the previous government’s criminalization of same-sex relations, and some of its leaders vowed to take a hard line against the rights of LGBT people. A Taliban spokesperson told Reuters in October, “LGBT... That's against our Sharia [Islamic] law.”

A Taliban judge told the German tabloid Bild shortly before the fall of Kabul, “For homosexuals, there can only be two punishments: either stoning, or he must stand behind a wall that will fall down on him.” A manual issued by the Taliban Ministry of Vice and Virtue in 2020 states that religious leaders shall prohibit same-sex relations and that “strong allegations” of homosexuality shall be referred to the ministry’s district manager for adjudication and punishment.


So you’re for the Taliban’s criminalization of homosexuality? As well as the punishment? No fault with that?

Since you consider Monkeypox to be a 'gay disease, in Afghanistan, if someone contracts MP, that would be evidence that they are gay, right? And you condone the stoning of that individual because being gay is a criminal offense, right?

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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #82 on: August 24, 2022, 11:14:06 PM »
But both the abuse of women in Afghanistan and the abuse of prisoners in America are irrelevant to the thread topic of Monkeypox.
You brought up the morals of the Taliban.
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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #83 on: August 25, 2022, 05:08:03 AM »
What percent would it take for you to no longer consider it a gay disease?
I may get a warning, or even a ban for this, but still it is pertinent to what is being discussed.  Tom and some others that frequent these boards can be considered Write Once Read Many [times, over and over again] individuals (WORMs).  Meaning they cannot unlearn whatever they initially "learned" (through abuse, religion [ repeat myself] or whatever).  This is pretty much absolute.  Any arguments about how the disease is propagated are irrelevant.  If Tom say's it's a "gay" disease, then it to him it is going to be a "gay" disease until he dies or contracts it.  Spare your efforts.  If you get close to cornering him, he will just go away.

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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #84 on: August 25, 2022, 05:27:51 AM »
Apparently just calling Monkeypox a disease that primarily affects gay men is "homophobia":

https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/56637/1/monkeypox-gay-bi-men-msm-homophobia-aids-uk

    "When the WHO published a Twitter thread which stated that the virus is mostly affecting men who have sex with men (MSM – an umbrella term designed to include people who don’t identify as gay or bisexual), this prompted an immediate, widespread and furious backlash. Thousands of people chimed in to accuse the organisation of homophobia, suggesting that its efforts to name the most at-risk group constituted an effort to “blame” gay men, in line with a rising tide of anti-LGBTQ+ violence."

It is pretty sad that radicalists like Rama Set and stack are unable to accept reality and can't have a rational discussion without decrying every perceived statement as homophobia, and can't discuss the content of a Monkeypox video without bringing up irrelevant statements like the video author has said positive statements in favor of nationalism in the past - the promotion of their country. 



This was stack's ridiculous defense, and why he doesn't want to discuss the content of the Monkeypox video.

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So you’re for the Taliban’s criminalization of homosexuality? As well as the punishment? No fault with that?

Did I say that specifically? No. I also said that I saw a benefit to the lack of whorish behavior by women in Taliban culture but also saw a problem with the abuse of women. It is pretty absurd to read that and assume that I would approve of all kinds of abuse because I saw positives elsewhere of a society which doesn't openly promote or display sexualiztion to the public. That also has nothing to do with Monkeypox.

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You brought up the morals of the Taliban.

Yes, in the Taliban thread.

What percent would it take for you to no longer consider it a gay disease?

If HIV Magazine considers HIV a gay disease because places in America have 65 or 75% of HIV cases involving homosexuals, Monkeypox is certainly a gay disease at 98%.

I would consider it not to be a gay disease if it affected that community more along line with their distribution by percentage among the public and wasn't wildly disproportional.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2022, 06:56:48 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #85 on: August 25, 2022, 07:37:20 AM »
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So you’re for the Taliban’s criminalization of homosexuality? As well as the punishment? No fault with that?

Did I say that specifically? No. I also said that I saw a benefit to the lack of whorish behavior by women in Taliban culture but also saw a problem with the abuse of women.

Define "whorish" behavior. Wearing hi-heels and nail polish? (Btw, punishment for those "violations" is anywhere from a public beating to stoning...Apparently, you seem ok with that)

It is pretty absurd to read that and assume that I would approve of all kinds of abuse because I saw positives elsewhere of a society which doesn't openly promote or display sexualiztion to the public. That also has nothing to do with Monkeypox.

What sort of public display of sexualization are you referring to?

And the big thing you're missing is the enforcement and punishment factors of just being gay, not even "displaying" it, just being accused of it. Same for women who violate sharia law. 

When you say "The Taliban doesn't seem so bad. Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise.

- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies
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How do you think that's enforced? How do you think that is punished? Are you ok with the sharia laws, but not ok with the enforcement/punishment? Or are you ok with that too and don't see "many faults" with it?

If HIV Magazine considers HIV a gay disease because places in America have 65 or 75% of HIV cases involving homosexuals, Monkeypox is certainly a gay disease at 98%.

Not so fast, the same magazine you cited has an opposing article:

Patient Zero Theory is Debunked—Yet Myth of HIV as Gay Disease Persists
The Patient Zero storyline also fostered the belief that HIV was a gay disease, when we now know that anyone can be impacted by HIV, regardless of your sexual orientation.”

I would consider it not to be a gay disease if it affected that community more along line with their distribution by percentage among the public and wasn't wildly disproportional.

And here's the point you're missing, which the quote above from your HIV magazine points out: Anyone can get MP, not just gay people. Monkey Pox is agnostic to race, creed, and sexual orientation.

For it to be a "Gay Disease", that would literally mean only gay people can get it. Not true. Anyone can get it. Just like gay, straight, or whatever can contract HIV.

98% is certainly a high percentage. But 2% are not gay. Meaning that gays are not the only group to be exclusively impacted. Same reason TB is not called a 'Black Disease' even though it is disproportionally present in that community. Even worse, Asian Americans clock in at just 5.7% of the population yet account for a whopping 35.8% of TB cases. Now that is definitely wildly disproportionate. So why don't you refer to TB as an 'Asian Disease' even though non-Asians can get it too? Just like Monkey Pox.

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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #86 on: August 25, 2022, 09:50:58 AM »
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How do you think that's enforced? How do you think that is punished?

Yes, because all women in history have refrained from impropriety due to criminal punishment and not because they were raised with certain standards.  ::)

Define "whorish" behavior. Wearing hi-heels and nail polish? (Btw, punishment for those "violations" is anywhere from a public beating to stoning...Apparently, you seem ok with that)

What sort of public display of sexualization are you referring to?

If you want to talk about something off topic to Monkeypox I would recommend taking it to the appropriate thread.

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Not so fast, the same magazine you cited has an opposing article:

Yet they also published an article calling HIV a gay disease. They clearly don't think that concept is absolutely homophobic if they are publishing that.

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And here's the point you're missing, which the quote above from your HIV magazine points out: Anyone can get MP, not just gay people. Monkey Pox is agnostic to race, creed, and sexual orientation.

Incorrect. It is clearly not agnostic because 98% are homosexual. If it affected everyone equally it would be distributed differently among homosexual and heterosexual alike.

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98% is certainly a high percentage. But 2% are not gay.

2% is also a pretty common error rate. Those people may have had sexual interactions with people who were bisexual, despite considering themselves as straight, or they were just one of the rare people with low immunity or functional differences who received transmission elsewise. It is clear that homosexual activity the primary vector of this disease and the primary way it is spread.
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« Reply #87 on: August 25, 2022, 11:02:34 AM »
Apparently just calling Monkeypox a disease that primarily affects gay men is "homophobia":

https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/56637/1/monkeypox-gay-bi-men-msm-homophobia-aids-uk

    "When the WHO published a Twitter thread which stated that the virus is mostly affecting men who have sex with men (MSM – an umbrella term designed to include people who don’t identify as gay or bisexual), this prompted an immediate, widespread and furious backlash. Thousands of people chimed in to accuse the organisation of homophobia, suggesting that its efforts to name the most at-risk group constituted an effort to “blame” gay men, in line with a rising tide of anti-LGBTQ+ violence."

It is pretty sad that radicalists like Rama Set and stack are unable to accept reality and can't have a rational discussion without decrying every perceived statement as homophobia, and can't discuss the content of a Monkeypox video without bringing up irrelevant statements like the video author has said positive statements in favor of nationalism in the past - the promotion of their country.

You can stop lying now. It’s pathetic.  I’ve acknowledged multiple times that Monkeypox is primarily affecting MSM, you know this, but continue with your shitty troll. So if you can’t actually address the words I’ve written please fuck off.
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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #88 on: August 25, 2022, 01:43:00 PM »
It is pretty sad that radicalists like Rama Set and stack are unable to accept reality and can't have a rational discussion without decrying every perceived statement as homophobia, and can't discuss the content of a Monkeypox video without bringing up irrelevant statements like the video author has said positive statements in favor of nationalism in the past - the promotion of their country. 

It's because their psychology revolves around being emotional and offended on behalf of others. This inherent need to find 'victims' and advocate for them incessantly is why we end up with posters constantly and consistently defending literal criminals and it's why this pathological need for victims will inevitably lead us to the Love At Any Age movement.
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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #89 on: August 25, 2022, 03:25:33 PM »
It is pretty sad that radicalists like Rama Set and stack are unable to accept reality and can't have a rational discussion without decrying every perceived statement as homophobia, and can't discuss the content of a Monkeypox video without bringing up irrelevant statements like the video author has said positive statements in favor of nationalism in the past - the promotion of their country. 

It's because their psychology revolves around being emotional and offended on behalf of others. This inherent need to find 'victims' and advocate for them incessantly is why we end up with posters constantly and consistently defending literal criminals and it's why this pathological need for victims will inevitably lead us to the Love At Any Age movement.

Imagine unironically agreeing with Tom’s strawman. I won’t bother engaging in this thread anymore.
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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #90 on: August 25, 2022, 06:19:58 PM »
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How do you think that's enforced? How do you think that is punished?

Yes, because all women in history have refrained from impropriety due to criminal punishment and not because they were raised with certain standards.  ::)

Define "whorish" behavior. Wearing hi-heels and nail polish? (Btw, punishment for those "violations" is anywhere from a public beating to stoning...Apparently, you seem ok with that)

What sort of public display of sexualization are you referring to?

If you want to talk about something off topic to Monkeypox I would recommend taking it to the appropriate thread.

Just trying to understand your overall mindset. But it looks like you've made it clear that you would prefer that homosexuals for being homosexual and women who wear hi-heels and nail polish should be stoned. As you can't seem to find fault in sharia law.

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Not so fast, the same magazine you cited has an opposing article:

Yet they also published an article calling HIV a gay disease. They clearly don't think that concept is absolutely homophobic if they are publishing that.

Or they are clearly publishing two opposing points of view which more publications should actually do.

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And here's the point you're missing, which the quote above from your HIV magazine points out: Anyone can get MP, not just gay people. Monkey Pox is agnostic to race, creed, and sexual orientation.

Incorrect. It is clearly not agnostic because 98% are homosexual. If it affected everyone equally it would be distributed differently among homosexual and heterosexual alike.

So you're saying that breeders are immune to Monkey Pox?

So you're saying that Tuberculosis should be called the 'Asian Disease' because it doesn't affect everyone equally and affects Asians disproportionally?



Since cancer seems to affect certain demographics unequally, definitely disproportionally, what should we label cancer as? The 'Native American Disease'? Or maybe by just sheer case count, The 'White Disease'.

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98% is certainly a high percentage. But 2% are not gay.

2% is also a pretty common error rate. Those people may have had sexual interactions with people who were bisexual, despite considering themselves as straight, or they were just one of the rare people with low immunity or finctional differences who received transmission elsewise. It is clear that homosexual activity the primary vector of this disease and the primary way it is spread.

2003 Outbreak from Imported Mammals

In 2003, forty-seven confirmed and probable cases of monkeypox were reported from six states—Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Missouri, Ohio, and Wisconsin. All people infected with monkeypox in this outbreak became ill after having contact with pet prairie dogs. The pets were infected after being housed near imported small mammals from Ghana. This was the first time that human monkeypox was reported outside of Africa.

100% of infections came from animals. That seems to overwhelmingly fit your criteria for labeling. Maybe we should actually label Money Pox the 'Prairie Dog Disease'.

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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #91 on: August 25, 2022, 07:44:51 PM »
https://news.sky.com/story/health-authorities-warned-about-the-risk-of-monkeypox-and-covid-co-infection-12681085

How do we stop gays from constantly and consistently spreading horrendous diseases? It took this man only one week in Spain to collect 3 diseases.
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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #92 on: August 25, 2022, 08:13:27 PM »
https://news.sky.com/story/health-authorities-warned-about-the-risk-of-monkeypox-and-covid-co-infection-12681085

How do we stop gays from constantly and consistently spreading horrendous diseases? It took this man only one week in Spain to collect 3 diseases.
"The authors, led by Santi Nolasco, said the man had reported of having unprotected sex with men during his stay in Spain." Men really need to wear condoms.
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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #93 on: August 26, 2022, 01:08:57 AM »
https://news.sky.com/story/health-authorities-warned-about-the-risk-of-monkeypox-and-covid-co-infection-12681085

How do we stop gays from constantly and consistently spreading horrendous diseases? It took this man only one week in Spain to collect 3 diseases.

He probably had HIV before since it doesn’t tend to show up in testing after a few days. So yeah… worse.
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