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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2022, 03:20:59 AM »
Men really need to learn to wear condoms.


I'm not entirely clear on this but I don't think a condom would do much to stop this since skin to skin contact is enough to spread it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/sex-men-not-skin-contact-fueling-monkeypox-new-research-suggests-rcna43484


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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2022, 07:45:50 AM »
While this all may be true, however, from your article:

This debate, however, is far from settled.

Dr. Rosamund Lewis, technical lead for monkeypox at the World Health Organization, told NBC News it was “unfortunate but true” that “we don’t know yet” whether the virus is predominantly transmitted through intercourse.

“Completely reading the situation as uniquely due to anal or oral sex is highly likely to be overreach,” she said. “The correlation may appear to be strong, but that does not explain the whole picture of disease caused by this virus. So we need to keep an open mind.”


Hopefully, more research will nail this all down.

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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2022, 09:42:43 AM »
Fluid exchange seems to be the transmission method.

So if a woman swallows a man's cum or has intercourse... She could get infected.

Or if you kiss someone with tongue.
Bite someome.
Share a needle.
Blood.

Butt fucking might do it too, but its not the only method.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2022, 01:33:45 PM »
Fluid exchange seems to be the transmission method.

So if a woman swallows a man's cum or has intercourse... She could get infected.

Or if you kiss someone with tongue.
Bite someome.
Share a needle.
Blood.

Butt fucking might do it too, but its not the only method.

Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.



See also: https://archive.ph/BNB8f

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Re: Monkeypox- the best way to attack LGBTQ
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2022, 02:06:11 PM »
Fluid exchange seems to be the transmission method.

So if a woman swallows a man's cum or has intercourse... She could get infected.

Or if you kiss someone with tongue.
Bite someome.
Share a needle.
Blood.

Butt fucking might do it too, but its not the only method.

Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.



See also: https://archive.ph/BNB8f



Again that doesn't pinpoint anal sex as the method of transmission.  It could be.  It could also be that gay men are extremely promiscuous.

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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2022, 03:13:26 PM »
Fluid exchange seems to be the transmission method.

So if a woman swallows a man's cum or has intercourse... She could get infected.

Or if you kiss someone with tongue.
Bite someome.
Share a needle.
Blood.

Butt fucking might do it too, but its not the only method.

Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.



See also: https://archive.ph/BNB8f



Why do you do that?
Why do you always post a picture of the site instead of a link?

The link, btw

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/monkeypox-is-a-sexually-transmitted-infection-and-knowing-that-can-help-protect-people/

Its an opinion piece.  But generally it seems to point to men, primarily non-white men, who have sex with other men.

This could strongly imply that women are resistant to the disease or that anal sex is the cause and women do that far less.
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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2022, 03:35:36 AM »
Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? Is it more of a PSA out to gay men that they should probably get the vaccine sooner rather than later if they plan to engage in intercourse?

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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2022, 04:18:14 AM »
Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.

What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

Why not read what I was replying to? It was suggested that it wasn't a gay disease. That suggestion was incorrect. It is a gay disease.

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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2022, 05:04:34 AM »
Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.

What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

Why not read what I was replying to? It was suggested that it wasn't a gay disease. That suggestion was incorrect. It is a gay disease.

Gay disease: a disease only gay people can get.
Which means it only affect men.  Right?  Women are immune?
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2022, 07:13:49 AM »
Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.

What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

Why not read what I was replying to? It was suggested that it wasn't a gay disease. That suggestion was incorrect. It is a gay disease.

Define “gay disease”.

Apparently it hasn’t really been a “gay disease”, whatever that means, since 1970...

African monkeypox cases not concentrated among gay men, experts say

JOHANNESBURG, Aug 4 (Reuters) - Monkeypox outbreaks in Africa are not concentrated among gay men, unlike in other parts of the world, experts from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Africa CDC said on Thursday.

But in Africa, where repeated outbreaks have been documented since the 1970s, the pattern of transmission is different, the experts said.

"Currently 60% of the cases that we have - the 350 - 60% are men, 40% are women," said epidemiologist Dr Otim Patrick Ramadan, who was answering questions on monkeypox at a media briefing organised by the WHO's regional office in Africa, and who was referring to the continent's number of current cases.

"We've been collecting data on monkeypox since 1970 and that particular indicator, men having sex with men, has never come up as a significant issue here in Africa," he said.

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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2022, 11:47:58 AM »
Actually that page specifies that everything outside of the original African Monkeypox, such as the modern outbreak in western countries, is a gay disease.



Gay disease: a disease only gay people can get.
Which means it only affect men.  Right?  Women are immune?

It primarily affects homosexuals, making it a gay disease. It also primarily affects men, making it specifically a gay male disease.
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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2022, 11:51:43 AM »
Actually that page specifies that everything outside of the original African Monkeypox, such as the modern epidemic in western countries, is a gay disease.



Then its not a gay disease.  Its a disease making its way through the gay community primarily.
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2022, 12:43:50 PM »
“Gay disease” is not a medical term. It’s something bigots say. Like bigots did with AIDS in the 80s.
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2022, 02:23:17 PM »
The medical community originally referred to AIDS as GRID, the “Gay-Related Infectious Disease”.

So they did use the words Gay and Disease.

https://www.being-here.net/page/664/hiv-aids-and-policy

"In the Netherlands the first person was diagnosed with AIDS in 1981. Jeanette Kok, working as a 'social nurse' for the Health Service Amsterdam recalls how she was asked by Dr. Roel Coutinho to interview the first patients (de Goei 2003). She would hold lengthy conversations with the people who were sometimes already very ill and their friends and family to learn about their behaviour in order to understand how these young men were infected. At the time HIV was not yet known, medical expertise did not know how to treat it, and it was unclear how it was transmitted. Because it was usually gay men in the USA and Europe who were first diagnosed, it was called the 'gay cancer' at the time (officially: Gay Related Infectious Disease, G.R.I.D.). The homosexual communities had to deal with the rapid death of friends in large numbers from an illness that nobody knew of. This was a traumatic experience for many people involved. On top of that the discrimination against homosexual life grew worse once again, whereas it had improved significantly in the seventies, because the fear of catching the 'gay cancer' dominated the public discourse (Eihblyn 1990)."

https://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-a-2003-08-14-35-breakthrough-67319357/271050.html

"The faces of HIV/AIDS have changed greatly in color over the past 20 years. In the early days, the disease was called GRID, which stood for gay related infectious disease."
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2022, 02:27:06 PM »
It's not bigotry to call monkeypox a gay disease. It's absolutely a disease that primarily affects gay men in the West, just like AIDS was in the 80s (the majority of HIV cases are STILL homosexual men, 40 years later!). It is not bigotry to state that gay men are primary vectors for all sorts of diseases and we need to start having some sort of health campaigns that inform gay men on how to fuck each other without spreading horrible diseases. They are very obviously doing things that other people don't do which is making them more vulnerable to serious illnesses.

Do you know why old religions instituted anti-gay-male rhetoric into their religious texts? Because gay men kept getting sick. What does that mean? God hates the gays! It was obvious to our ancestors that homosexual men were at much higher risk of getting serious illnesses. It should be obvious to us today. Stating otherwise is hurting the gay community more than helping it by trying to ignore the higher risk of serious illness that they are facing.

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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2022, 03:16:01 PM »
The medical community originally referred to AIDS as GRID, the “Gay-Related Infectious Disease”.

Yes and the original outlook on AIDS was quite homophobic.

So they did use the words Gay and Disease.

You would have to be stupid or unscrupulous to conflate "Gay-related Infectious Disease" with the phrase "Gay Disease".  Which are you?

It's not bigotry to call monkeypox a gay disease. It's absolutely a disease that primarily affects gay men in the West,

But not exclusively, right?  So calling it a gay disease in not only untrue, it could lead to heterosexuals believing they are not at risk.  Just like with AIDS back in the 80s.

just like AIDS was in the 80s (the majority of HIV cases are STILL homosexual men, 40 years later!).

That's absolutely not true. If you look at the actual rates of infection among gay men by country you will see that that is true in only one country, Mauritania.  Gay men are often over-represented, but many of the countries with high prevalence of AIDS have other social and legal issues that may prevent gay men from practicing safer sex.

It is not bigotry to state that gay men are primary vectors for all sorts of diseases and we need to start having some sort of health campaigns that inform gay men on how to fuck each other without spreading horrible diseases.

I agree.  That is materially different than referring to something as a "Gay Disease".

They are very obviously doing things that other people don't do which is making them more vulnerable to serious illnesses.

Moar unprotected butt sex!

Do you know why old religions instituted anti-gay-male rhetoric into their religious texts? Because gay men kept getting sick. What does that mean? God hates the gays! It was obvious to our ancestors that homosexual men were at much higher risk of getting serious illnesses.

This sounds exactly like something that is made up to try and prove a point. You have no idea why people wrote what they wrote in the bible.

Stating otherwise is hurting the gay community more than helping it by trying to ignore the higher risk of serious illness that they are facing.

The strawest of strawmen.
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2022, 03:30:49 PM »
The medical community originally referred to AIDS as GRID, the “Gay-Related Infectious Disease”.

Yes and the original outlook on AIDS was quite homophobic.

Is HIV Plus Magazine homophobic for publishing opinion pieces calling it a gay disease?

https://www.hivplusmag.com/opinion/guest-voices/2014/02/19/listen-hiv-still-gay-disease



Is The Atlantic homophobic?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/11/aids-still-a-gay-disease-in-america/249242/



Is the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force homophobic too?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/top-gay-organization-comes-clean-hiv-is-a-gay-disease/

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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2022, 03:59:13 PM »
The medical community originally referred to AIDS as GRID, the “Gay-Related Infectious Disease”.

Yes and the original outlook on AIDS was quite homophobic.

Is HIV Plus Magazine homophobic for publishing opinion pieces calling it a gay disease?


Just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks?  Great diversionary tactics.
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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2022, 04:15:34 PM »
Just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks?  Great diversionary tactics.
I don't know why you guys let him drag the discussion down to his level so often.
This is clearly a disease which mostly spreads amongst gay men. It's equally clear what the agenda of anyone calling it a "gay disease" is.
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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2022, 06:45:32 PM »
It is quite frankly annoying that the rest of society has to continually deal with a small subset of the population spreading serious diseases. Can't wait for the next totally-not-gay-disease to crop up that mysteriously affects gay men more than everyone else through absolutely no fault of the gay men.