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Other Discussion Boards => Science & Alternative Science => Topic started by: AmyD83 on July 30, 2017, 07:07:55 PM
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Hello everyone!
I wonder what people think about Chemtrails?
Chemtrails are the often white or greyish vapour trails left by aeroplanes in the sky. The trails should disappear quickly if it's just from normal aviation fuel. Chemtrails do not disappear quickly sometimes they can linger in the sky for a long time after the aeroplane has left the area of sky you can see.
Chemtrails to me contain weather engineering chemicals and as chemicals that rain down on human being's, animals and vegetation. We are inhaling the particles, it's getting into our skin and into our food.
I find the whole thing of chemtrails quite frightening.
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Good thing they probably don't exist. In the meantime you should study contrails, because they are not caused by aviation fuel.
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Hello everyone!
I wonder what people think about Chemtrails?
Chemtrails are the often white or greyish vapour trails left by aeroplanes in the sky. The trails should disappear quickly if it's just from normal aviation fuel. Chemtrails do not disappear quickly sometimes they can linger in the sky for a long time after the aeroplane has left the area of sky you can see.
Chemtrails to me contain weather engineering chemicals and as chemicals that rain down on human being's, animals and vegetation. We are inhaling the particles, it's getting into our skin and into our food.
I find the whole thing of chemtrails quite frightening.
Yeah, Rama is right, its not exhaust from the fuel, its actually water vapor thwt crystalizes after going from a super hot engine to freezing air.
Also, if it were chemicals raining down on us, why would they stay in the air so long? Why not actually rain down?
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I find the whole thing of chemtrails quite frightening.
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So do I,
Many Flat Earthers are involved with exposing that particular conspiracy,
There are also other methods they use to posion us, investigate Monsanto.
That's not to mention what they are putting in the water.
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Chemtrails are the often white or greyish vapour trails left by aeroplanes in the sky.
They are not "chemtrails", they are vapor trails caused by air flowing over and under the plane's wings which causes rapid condensation.
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Good thing they probably don't exist. In the meantime you should study contrails, because they are not caused by aviation fuel.
Sorry, what?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
Cloud seeding is a form of weather modification, a way of changing the amount or type of precipitation that falls from clouds, by dispersing substances into the air that serve as cloud condensation or ice nuclei, which alter the microphysical processes within the cloud. The usual intent is to increase precipitation (rain or snow), but hail and fog suppression are also widely practiced in airports.
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Here's a post I made earlier. It might just be negligence and chasing profits but we are being poisoned by ourselves.
(https://s2.postimg.org/aqa525wkp/i-2.jpg)
Or should I?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pharmaceuticals-in-the-water/
CCE cites a recent Stony Brook University study showing that some fish species in New York’s Jamaica Bay are experiencing “feminization”—the ratio of female to male winter flounder was 10 to one in the studied area—likely a result of flushed pharmaceuticals that can act as “hormone mimics” and cause such effects. New York’s Department of Environmental Conservation concurs, citing a number of other studies underscoring the impacts on aquatic life. What irks CCE about the problem is that almost all known sources of drugs in the environment first pass through wastewater treatment plants where they could be filtered out, but these facilities are not required to be equipped with pharmaceutical filter devices.
https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/hormone-therapy/news/print/endocrine-today/%7Bac23497d-f1ed-4278-bbd2-92bb1e552e3a%7D/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed
“The interesting thing we discovered was that, on average, when we measured the testosterone in the blood of a 60-year-old in 1989 it was higher than that in a different 60-year-old measured in 1995,”2 said Thomas Travison, PhD, of the New England Research Institutes, Watertown, Mass. “We observed the same phenomenon over a wide range of ages.”
http://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/effects-on-body
The body has a system for controlling testosterone, sending messages through hormones and chemicals that are released into the bloodstream. In the brain, the hypothalamus tells the pituitary gland how much testosterone is needed, and the pituitary relays that information to the testicles.
Testosterone plays a role in certain behaviors, including aggression and dominance. It also helps to spark competitiveness and boost self-esteem. Just as sexual activity can affect testosterone levels, taking part in competitive activities can cause a man’s testosterone levels to rise or fall. Low testosterone may result in a loss of confidence and lack of motivation. It can also lower a man’s ability to concentrate or cause feelings of sadness. Low testosterone can cause sleep disturbances and lack of energy.
It’s important to note, however, that testosterone is only one factor that influences personality traits. Other biological and environmental factors are also involved.
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Oh no, you don't think cloud seeding is the same as the chemtrail conspiracy, do you?
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
Right....
Commercial airlines?
And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?
Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
Right....
Commercial airlines?
And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?
Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.
Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.
Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?
If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
Right....
Commercial airlines?
And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?
Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.
Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.
Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?
If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.
I used to live newe Stewart Airport and Air National Guard base. I saw contrails often. Never chemtrails.
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
Right....
Commercial airlines?
And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?
Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.
Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.
Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?
If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.
I used to live newe Stewart Airport and Air National Guard base. I saw contrails often. Never chemtrails.
Probably because you're not educated enough to search the USPTO for them to know they exist. But TY for being you.
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
Right....
Commercial airlines?
And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?
Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.
Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.
Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?
If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.
I used to live newe Stewart Airport and Air National Guard base. I saw contrails often. Never chemtrails.
Probably because you're not educated enough to search the USPTO for them to know they exist. But TY for being you.
So secret chemicals sprayed from planes to do stuff to the population has a patent?
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
Right....
Commercial airlines?
And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?
Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.
Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.
Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?
If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.
I used to live newe Stewart Airport and Air National Guard base. I saw contrails often. Never chemtrails.
Probably because you're not educated enough to search the USPTO for them to know they exist. But TY for being you.
So secret chemicals sprayed from planes to do stuff to the population has a patent?
Dude your ignorance is showing. The process of nana particulates disbursed from aircraft has been around probably longer than you since you're acting no childish. These particulates are causing damage to crops, forests, humans and obviously brains. Good luck and good bowling !
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
Right....
Commercial airlines?
And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?
Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.
Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.
Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?
If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.
I used to live newe Stewart Airport and Air National Guard base. I saw contrails often. Never chemtrails.
Probably because you're not educated enough to search the USPTO for them to know they exist. But TY for being you.
So secret chemicals sprayed from planes to do stuff to the population has a patent?
Dude your ignorance is showing. The process of nana particulates disbursed from aircraft has been around probably longer than you since you're acting no childish. These particulates are causing damage to crops, forests, humans and obviously brains. Good luck and good bowling !
Yes, cloud seeding, spraying pesticides, napalm, agent orange, fire fighting.... But we're talking about chem trails, not methods of spraying chemicals from airplanes.
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
Right....
Commercial airlines?
And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?
Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.
Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.
Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?
If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.
I used to live newe Stewart Airport and Air National Guard base. I saw contrails often. Never chemtrails.
Probably because you're not educated enough to search the USPTO for them to know they exist. But TY for being you.
So secret chemicals sprayed from planes to do stuff to the population has a patent?
Dude your ignorance is showing. The process of nana particulates disbursed from aircraft has been around probably longer than you since you're acting no childish. These particulates are causing damage to crops, forests, humans and obviously brains. Good luck and good bowling !
Yes, cloud seeding, spraying pesticides, napalm, agent orange, fire fighting.... But we're talking about chem trails, not methods of spraying chemicals from airplanes.
OPEN book, nano particulates....
If anyone is close to an expert on vapor trails or contrails, I am. We all watched the movie "Topgun". Well I lived right on top of the nations topgun marine base "Fightertown USA", protecting the west coast of the US. I saw more hotshots and vapor trails than 99% of you. I know the difference.
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Ever since Trump got in office they have been pretty non existent where I live now. Before it was almost daily.
Right....
Commercial airlines?
And if he did stop such a terrible thing, why isn't he bragging about how Obama was poisoning you?
Sorry but you're either lying or there's another reason and you just don't know it.
Chemtrails have been going on long before Obama. It's actually quite nice to see the blue skies again.
Maybe he was actually able to do some draining of the swamp peoples, while cutting some budget expenditures?
If you didn't see chemtrails, you just aren't a very observant person. Lord knows they were everywhere.
I used to live newe Stewart Airport and Air National Guard base. I saw contrails often. Never chemtrails.
Probably because you're not educated enough to search the USPTO for them to know they exist. But TY for being you.
So secret chemicals sprayed from planes to do stuff to the population has a patent?
Dude your ignorance is showing. The process of nana particulates disbursed from aircraft has been around probably longer than you since you're acting no childish. These particulates are causing damage to crops, forests, humans and obviously brains. Good luck and good bowling !
Yes, cloud seeding, spraying pesticides, napalm, agent orange, fire fighting.... But we're talking about chem trails, not methods of spraying chemicals from airplanes.
OPEN book, nano particulates....
Gonna have to give context there. Cause nano particulates is kinda vague. Might as well say "nono particles"
If anyone is close to an expert on vapor trails or contrails, I am. We all watched the movie "Topgun". Well I lived right on top of the nations topgun marine base "Fightertown USA", protecting the west coast of the US. I saw more hotshots and vapor trails than 99% of you. I know the difference.
What are your qualifications? For being an expert. I imagine chemistry, meteorology, avionics?
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A long video but skip to 7.00 to see the planes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BDwN3h6x37M
Why are these passenger planes full of gas tanks?
Why do the so called contrails tic tac toe across the sky?
Why do they (contrails) form clouds afterwards?
Why do birds suddenly appear ect...
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Good questions. Maybe you could source the images cause I doubt the guy talking about it actually took those pictures.
Hell, that could easily be fake pictures for all we know. Or a mobile chemistry lab. Or they're transporting chemicals that need constant attention and can't be safely stored. Or those are pesticides. Or fire fighting implements. Or testing air plane crashes with various chemicals onboard. etc...etc...
Or this:
(https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/contrailscience.com_skitch_Boeing_Widebodies___Michael_Haenggi___Google_Books_20120721_044323.jpg)
http://www.snopes.com/trump-tour-chemtrail-plane/
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If any one is close to an expert on vapor trails or contrails, I am. We all watched the movie "Topgun". Well I lived right on top of the nations topgun marine base "Fightertown USA", protecting the west coast of the US. I saw more hotshots and vapor trails than 99% of you. I know the difference.
Oh good. A self-proclaimed expert.
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The ones I see are scheduled flights in particular weather conditions.
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I find the whole thing of chemtrails quite frightening.
END QUOTE:
So do I,
Many Flat Earthers are involved with exposing that particular conspiracy,
There are also other methods they use to posion us, investigate Monsanto.
That's not to mention what they are putting in the water.
That's no great surprise. People who believe in one conspiracy tend to believe in lots of them. Out of curiosity, how many here also believe that vaccines are bad, 911 was an inside job, Princess Diana was murdered, etc.
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1. Vaccines are bad - No your wrong, Vaccines are good, Autism is the next step in mans evolution.
2. 911 was an inside job - No it wasn't, all buildings have explosive charges in them in case of plane strike.
3. Princess Diana was murdered - Murdered is such a strong term, conveniently dealt with is better.
On all these points 911 has the most evidence, not so sure of the autism link, vaccines save lives too.
And the Princess may have survived that accident if only she remembered to click clack, front and back.
http://www.closerweekly.com/posts/princess-diana-seatbelt-car-crash-138163
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I'm not a proponent of the fe.
Vaccines? I don't know enough to have an informed opinion. I have friends whom have autistic children and are against vaccination. Myself have two children, both of whom are vaccinated.
Diana. Couldn't really care less.
9/11 though. That is a debateable one. I for one aide with those whom believe the US government played a major if not sole role in that attack.
So one who may believe in a conspiracy doesn't necessarily have to follow with all conspiracies.
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Good thing they probably don't exist. In the meantime you should study contrails, because they are not caused by aviation fuel.
Your answer is very misleading.
Contrails are typically the leftover of the combustion process of jet fuel.
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Good thing they probably don't exist. In the meantime you should study contrails, because they are not caused by aviation fuel.
Your answer is very misleading.
Contrails are typically the leftover of the combustion process of jet fuel.
Contrails are created by water vapor, low temperatures and/or a pressure differential. They are not necessarily or directly caused by aviation fuel.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDvLCPe8viU
@ 4:20 will blow you away
Contrails were created by water in the engines for cooling. Todays jets rarely use anything that could cause a contrail
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*sigh*
If water is used to cool a jet engine (why use water?) then why would it be leaking out? You'd have to replace the water very often or have large water tanks that take up fuel space.
Also, its cold up there. The engines suck in cold air. Do you need more cooling?
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And now we know that J-Man didn't pass basic chemistry. Pray tell me, what do you think are the combustion products of jet fuel and oxygen? It's helpful to not assert things like "contrails were created by water in the engines for cooling" or "Today's jets rarely use anything that could cause a contrail" when it's obvious you haven't the slightest clue how a jet engine works (and neither do I, but at least I know what they take in and spit out).
Do you see how often conspiracy theorists don't even know the basics about how things work? Of course, they love dismissing quotidian explanations and then cooking up some outlandish garbage.
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If they don't exist then someone should tell Harvard University to cancel there course they offer on it.
Harvard's Solar Geoengineering Research Program
https://geoengineering.environment.harvard.edu/
Harvard's Solar Geoengineering Research Program will develop methods that might reduce the risks and improve the efficacy of solar geoengineering when compared to the injection of sulfates into the stratosphere, which has been the standard proposal since the 1970s. Specific examples include:
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I looked into this for years and what I found out is interesting.
I'll write it as simple and short as I can.
USA tested its last nuclear bomb in 1985.
DARPA took over the HARRP program in 1985.
The HARRP patent states that it would benefit from spraying aluminum and other elements into the air to help reflect, bounce or vibrate their frequencies.
Commercial airliners found out that if you inject liquid into the jet engines while at traveling speed that they get a 10% boast in thrust which saves then millions in fuel costs. Landing much lighter saves huge costs.
The government allows them to use the liquid from their excess from disposal. That's right, toilet water.
But there is a condition.
The government wants to track the disposal exhaust to make sure it doesn't harm the people. (ha ha ha)
So by law the airline companies have to add an additive into the liquid they spray into the jet engines.
Don't believe me?
Its all backed by their paperwork. look deep and you will find it.
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Inject liquid into a jet engine...
Wow... okay. So that's your first flaw. See, jet fuel is a liquid so they're already putting liquid in the engine.
But maybe you mean "spray liquid into the turbines" to which I say "how the fuck would increased mass in the turbine somehow make it produce more thrust with the same amount of fuel? That's like saying "If I put weights on my wheels, my car will use less gas!"
So yeah, your argument is transparently BS.
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Inject liquid into a jet engine...
Wow... okay. So that's your first flaw. See, jet fuel is a liquid so they're already putting liquid in the engine.
But maybe you mean "spray liquid into the turbines" to which I say "how the fuck would increased mass in the turbine somehow make it produce more thrust with the same amount of fuel? That's like saying "If I put weights on my wheels, my car will use less gas!"
So yeah, your argument is transparently BS.
Thanks for pointing out the mistake. I did mean injection into the turbine.
As far as calling BS the egg is on your face buddy because here is NASA's claim on the process.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christopher_Snyder/publication/24294729_Analysis_of_gas_turbine_engines_using_water_and_oxygen_injection_to_achieve_high_Mach_numbers_and_high_thrust/links/5405c9e70cf2c48563b1ab27/Analysis-of-gas-turbine-engines-using-water-and-oxygen-injection-to-achieve-high-Mach-numbers-and-high-thrust.pdf
If you would have only taken a couple minutes to research but no...
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Need more?
Water Injection on Commercial Aircraft to
Reduce Airport Nitrogen Oxides
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20100015629.pdf
I' ll wait for the apology but I don't think you will give one.
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Well, I stand corrected. My knowledge of jet engines was apparently false.
Of course, neither of your links proved your point for commercial airlines as
1) the nasa article applied to supersonic engines
2) the second one applied to reduced NO2 levels.
Still, an apology is an apology so I'm sorry for calling your argument BS.
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Well, I stand corrected. My knowledge of jet engines was apparently false.
Of course, neither of your links proved your point for commercial airlines as
1) the nasa article applied to supersonic engines
2) the second one applied to reduced NO2 levels.
Still, an apology is an apology so I'm sorry for calling your argument BS.
Your welcome.
We can have a debate with out name calling or insults.
There are more links to commercial airliners doing it and also links to government regulations on the process of tracking the trails as well. Just have to dig a little deeper.
I posted the NASA one because most RE love NASA.
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So what does the additive do?
Like how does it help track anything?
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So what does the additive do?
Like how does it help track anything?
The additive makes it into a visible vapour that can be tracked on radar. Makes it look like a cloud.
Check these out. Way to cool.
These videos show that the USA government was experimenting with geoengineering way back in the 40's.
Amazing Footage of WWII Chemtrail Experiments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO89KAJGkL8
1944 Chemtrails in Books and History in Photographs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VvLyvfbBuw
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So what does the additive do?
Like how does it help track anything?
The additive makes it into a visible vapour that can be tracked on radar. Makes it look like a cloud.
How does it get tracked on radar? Is it reflective of radio waves? Because I don't think even rain affects radar.
Check these out. Way to cool.
These videos show that the USA government was experimenting with geoengineering way back in the 40's.
Amazing Footage of WWII Chemtrail Experiments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO89KAJGkL8
1944 Chemtrails in Books and History in Photographs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VvLyvfbBuw
Yeah, I mean, I know the government experimented with spraying chemicals from airplanes. Hell, pesticide, napalm, water, fire extinguisher chemicals, all from planes. I'm sure someone has at some point tried geo/weather engineering.
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The radar that weather stations use.
When I go to a weather channel on the net they usually have a radar map that you can click on.
Might not even be radar but that's what they are calling it.
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The radar that weather stations use.
When I go to a weather channel on the net they usually have a radar map that you can click on.
Might not even be radar but that's what they are calling it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-Doppler_radar
Pulse apparently that measure velocity of precipitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_radar
Dunno if it works on water vapor but droplets sure.
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This is a pretty fascinating conversation for those interested in the 'chemtrails' idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_MZplILp4w
Also a good piece of investigation into where the idea came from, and who started it:
http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/evolution.html (http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/evolution.html)
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A long video but skip to 7.00 to see the planes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BDwN3h6x37M
Why are these passenger planes full of gas tanks?
Why do the so called contrails tic tac toe across the sky?
Why do they (contrails) form clouds afterwards?
Why do birds suddenly appear ect...
None of your assumptions are true:
- (Why are passenger planes full of gas tanks?) Oxygen? I mean we do need it to breathe, so it makes sense that they (airlines) have tanks full of it.
- (Why do the so called contrails tic-tac-toe across the sky?) That almost never happens, only when two planes both form contrails and go in the other planes contrails. You have probably seen that once in your lifetime and by Pavalonian association put it with ‘reasons Big Govenment is bad’
- (Why do birds suddenly appear etc.) Same thing as above. They don’t always appear, but once you probably saw them appear after a plane past and thought it was because of the non-existent ‘chemtrails’
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Contrails form criss-cross patterns because of wind: the planes tend to fly on more or less the same track, and then the wind moves the trail over, like so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltg4tQoYh0g
The question about "gas tanks" was probably referring to the "ballast tanks" myth.
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How does it get tracked on radar? Is it reflective of radio waves? Because I don't think even rain affects radar.
This statement is just flat wrong.
Radar works by sending out a signal that gets bounced back, and difference between what gets bounced back and what was sent out results in a radar image. Radar signals bounce off of almost anything, including rain. Rain is typically indicated on a radar by the green patterns (if you ever watch the weather channel). The denser the rain, the more signal is bounced back, and the image projects a darker area (or whatever color they want to encode). You can easily spot clouds and cloud patterns on radar images.
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In the U.S, the government doesn't need to spray toxic chemicals on people from airplanes. They can just give them to us in the form of snack cakes, potato chips, greasy hamburgers and we'll gobble them up.
If they want to test some chemical on the population just sell in the new "Strawberry Daiquiri flavored Ding Dongs."
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Short wave length radars can see water droplets in the atmosphere. On the last ship I was on, we had two X-Band radars and a S-Band radar. The X-Band radars were very good at picking up rain showers. They were also very good at separating out a large fleet of small fishing boats. If a rain shower came between us and that fleet of small fishing boats, we could loose sight of them on the X-Band radar, but could usually switch to the S-Band radar and see them because you could often see thru rain with that radar. Unfortunately, the fleet of small fishing vessels would often just look like a large blob on the screen. Both types of radars had their strengths and weaknesses, that's why we had both types installed. I didn't know anyone actually still believed in chemtrails anymore. Recently I saw a video of a formation of B-17 WWII bombers. Guess what? They also were generating the same 'chemtrails'. I mentioned what I saw to an old WWII veteran who flew bombers in the Pacific theater in WWII and wasn't surprised. Just think vapor trails.
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Soo, technically those contrails are caused by something that comes of of the engines. Soot. Generally that high up, there can be a decent amount of humidity in the air but one thing it lacks is fine particulate matter. See water will form droplets much easier when it has something to attach to and in the lower atmosphere there's usually plenty of dust to go around. Up high, not so much. However, jet engines burn a lot of fossil fuels and the exhaust it produces contains plenty of those small particules.
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No don't think fossil fuel contamination. Think heat contamination. On a cold day you can see your breath. Cars that are just started often have white smoke coming from their exhaust pipes. It's all the same thing. Air at high altitude is cold. Jet engines have a hot exhaust. It's the hot exhaust mixing with the cold air that causes the water vapor in the air to condense and produces a cloud formation behind the aircraft. There isn't much soot from the exhaust of a jet engine, most of it is just hot air. You can also see vapor formed on the top of the wings of a fighter jet if the jet is pulling a lot of Gs in a maneuver. There is a low pressure area on top of the wing and it's below the vapor pressure of the air so you see a bit of a cloud for an instant.
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No don't think fossil fuel contamination. Think heat contamination. On a cold day you can see your breath. Cars that are just started often have white smoke coming from their exhaust pipes. It's all the same thing. Air at high altitude is cold. Jet engines have a hot exhaust. It's the hot exhaust mixing with the cold air that causes the water vapor in the air to condense and produces a cloud formation behind the aircraft. There isn't much soot from the exhaust of a jet engine, most of it is just hot air. You can also see vapor formed on the top of the wings of a fighter jet if the jet is pulling a lot of Gs in a maneuver. There is a low pressure area on top of the wing and it's below the vapor pressure of the air so you see a bit of a cloud for an instant.
Just a point of clarification, hot air being introduced to a cold environment doesn't result in cloud formation. Hot, moist air equalizing with a colder environment produces clouds. It's the warm, moist air in your breath cooling down to it's dewpoint that produces a cloud. The humidity of the environment doesn't have much to do with it. If I wave a blowtorch around on a cold day it won't cause any clouds even if the temp/dewpoint spread is less than a degree. I think that was what you're saying but I wanted to clarify. I probably wouldn't call it heat contamination either since it depends on the characteristics of the hot air mass. Now a jet engine is kind of like your breath example. The combustion process does produce some water, but it's not enough to form all the clouds you see in a contrail.
With regards to wingtip clouds and the like, that's a different phenomenon. If a jet engine produced the same kind of conditions as a wing at high angle of attack then you should be able to see contrails more consistently at high altitudes.
And with soot, we are working to producing less of with different alternative fuels but I've seen firsthand what happens if you don't wash an aircraft for a week or two. The tail's black as a chalkboard.
Also, this is an older study but it's a good read regarding the effects of aircraft soot on cloud formation.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2001GL014115
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Also, A more recent study investigating the effects of newer alternative fuels on the formation of contrails.
https://www.dlr.de/dlr/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-10081/151_read-25658/#/gallery/20878
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It sure sounds like you had all the answers to your questions well researched and in the bag. Just why did you ask a question that you already knew the answer to?
You also need to re-read my answer. I wasn't talking about wing tip effects. My answer pertained to the TOP of the wings of a fighter aircraft undergoing a big pitch change. Additionally you probably do see a lot of soot at the back of a jet when it's not washed. Most of that soot is produced on startup and shutdown when the fuel mixture isn't anywhere close to optimum.
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I didn't start this thread. I was providing an answer. No where in my post did I ask a question.
The wingtip vortices are still areas of low pressure that cause cloud formation. Regardless, what you see in high g fighter manuevers (and sometimes on commercial flights during take off and landing during moist conditions) are caused by transient low pressure. It doesn't have anything to do with with what supposedly looks like clouds coming out of the engines.
Now, to be clear, I'm not arguing that the government or whoever is throwing a bunch chemicals into a jet engine. There's no ill will or conspiracy going on anywhere in this. But soot is an acknowledged product of combustion and when thrown into the upper atmosphere, they'll produce normal every day clouds. If I were to somehow up a window up there and toss out a bunch of dust, you'd end up with the same effect.
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Chemtrails have been proven time and time again. It's stupid to deny it, but that is the effect of nano particulate spraying, stupidity...and it's working very well we see.
https://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2018/11/23/nano-aluminum-creates-chronic-parasite-infections-in-population/
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Chemtrails have been proven time and time again. It's stupid to deny it, but that is the effect of nano particulate spraying, stupidity...and it's working very well we see.
https://www.frequencyfoundation.com/2018/11/23/nano-aluminum-creates-chronic-parasite-infections-in-population/
So I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseum but if you make claims like that you're going to need to back them up. The article you linked had nothing to with aircraft, vapor trails, or cloud formation. 20% of it seemed to be trying to push an Airdog purifier, 50% was quoting an MD that has no experience in atmospheric sciences at all and offers no studies proving his point, and the last 30% was going over a study exploring the connections between aluminium and autism that had a sample size of five and still didn't in any way connect it to aviation practices.
It's pretty simple. Those things coming out behind aircraft are plain old clouds. There's nothing malicious about them. The only difference between them and other clouds is that instead of using ambient dust to form, they use the water and soot coming from the engine exhaust.
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Lets first read from the blog of the good Dr.
"For decades, this blog has reported on the health effects of toxic metal spraying in the atmosphere. The entire ecosystem is now polluted with high levels of aluminum particles. These cause multiple types of health effects and may be part of the reason for the epidemic of Alzheimer’s disease."
Now lets read his credentials: He started his career as a fighter pilot in the U.S. Air Force where he achieved Top Gun status in 1967 and flew 100 combat missions over North Vietnam.
After 11 years as a pilot, he joined the faculty of the University of Colorado Medical School where he received his Doctoral degree. As Asst. Prof.of Radiology, Biometrics, and Preventive Medicine he co-founded the Center for Vitamins and Cancer Research under the sponsorship of Nobel Laureate Linus Pauling. For eight years was the Principle Investigator of a National Cancer Center research grant that ran all IT programs and research for the Colorado Regional Cancer Center. Sutherland continued his medical research in his own laboratory after leaving the medical school to bring his computer technology expertise to industry.
Now you can down play what ever you want but I'm sure your creds fail under the soles of his shoes. A TOP GUN pilot who says they spray, a DR. who says you probably have brain damage. I concur.....
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What training does a pilot undergo in atmospheric sciences?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUT-p2so_k4
3/4 of a trillion budget in chemtrails....that's a whole lot of dumb dumb, dummy
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What training does a pilot undergo in atmospheric sciences?
You're probably too young to know what agent orange was. A VN pilot knows about spraying.
Again dozens and dozens of proofs of chemtrails and their damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teF9eT_706k
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What training does a pilot undergo in atmospheric sciences?
You're probably too young to know what agent orange was.
Incorrect.
A VN pilot knows about spraying.
Cool. Not my question.
Again dozens and dozens of proofs of chemtrails and their damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teF9eT_706k
DOZENS? LITERALLY?
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Rama comes to the thread to lay confusion not whether chemtrails are true or not. Too me Rama is acting from the dark side as most on this site. Dozens yes Rama, dozens and dozens of verification of the spraying of nana particulates. Here is a 2 Star Air Force GENERAL, explains he has witnessed such spraying and the chemicals falling. Not some ridiculous soot bullshit. Really how stupid should we be? This video also talks of a Brigadier General of the Air Force speaking of chemtrails and acknowledging them. Now really, how many dozens of times do we need to go over this for Satans minions?
Chemtrails are real, they are sprayed daily, Satan is real and Gods bitch....
There is no need for weather modification, God has it all in control within the dome !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30mkxLR00wQ
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Here is a 2 Star Air Force GENERAL, explains he has witnessed such spraying and the chemicals falling.
Actually, I don't see where he said such things. I listened to all 38 minutes.
He says, when asked what brought him to find interest in the climate engineering stuff, that he read some things online and found the interviewer's website and became interested in the subject.
For the rest of the video, he is asked about hypotheticals like how things are kept secret, etc. And simply describes how top secret things are handled, not weaponized geoengineering, just how anything deemed top secret is handled.
In short, the General interviewed has no knowledge of the existence of 'chemtrails' other than what he has read online. Nothing to do with his military service/expertise.
I don't know about the other general the interviewer references, Charles Jones. He is quoted in the interviewer's book, but that's all I can find.
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Here is a 2 Star Air Force GENERAL, explains he has witnessed such spraying and the chemicals falling.
Actually, I don't see where he said such things. I listened to all 38 minutes.
He says, when asked what brought him to find interest in the climate engineering stuff, that he read some things online and found the interviewer's website and became interested in the subject.
For the rest of the video, he is asked about hypotheticals like how things are kept secret, etc. And simply describes how top secret things are handled, not weaponized geoengineering, just how anything deemed top secret is handled.
In short, the General interviewed has no knowledge of the existence of 'chemtrails' other than what he has read online. Nothing to do with his military service/expertise.
I don't know about the other general the interviewer references, Charles Jones. He is quoted in the interviewer's book, but that's all I can find.
I made it through half of the interview before I got pulled away but this was what I noticed until then as well.
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It's not your fault guys, you've drank the fluoride and breathe/ate the aluminum barium in nano particulates. It's effected your brains to a point that, with dark energy you can't reason any longer. You don't even know what is said...shame, you may need immediate medical attention.
At 5:48 the General says " NOT condensation trails"
At 7:18 The General says he can see those trails and they are coming DOWN. (to the general population, including his family)
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It's not your fault guys, you've drank the fluoride and breathe/ate the aluminum barium in nano particulates. It's effected your brains to a point that, with dark energy you can't reason any longer. You don't even know what is said...shame, you may need immediate medical attention.
Do you feel better insulting people? Not very Christian mate.
At 5:48 the General says " NOT condensation trails"
He says they are not condensation trails from the aircraft at the base. You will notice that we get no substantiation of why he says that.
At 7:18 The General says he can see those trails and they are coming DOWN. (to the general population, including his family)
Yes, gravity indeed would tend to cause particulates in the air to fall to the Earth. An incredible finding.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YDu2Lpon14
There were vapor trails all the way back to WWII. You don't need a jet engine or a fast new aircraft to product the effect.
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It's not your fault guys, you've drank the fluoride and breathe/ate the aluminum barium in nano particulates. It's effected your brains to a point that, with dark energy you can't reason any longer. You don't even know what is said...shame, you may need immediate medical attention.
Do you feel better insulting people? Not very Christian mate.
At 5:48 the General says " NOT condensation trails"
He says they are not condensation trails from the aircraft at the base. You will notice that we get no substantiation of why he says that.
At 7:18 The General says he can see those trails and they are coming DOWN. (to the general population, including his family)
Yes, gravity indeed would tend to cause particulates in the air to fall to the Earth. An incredible finding.
One breathe you state YOU didn't hear these things, then when confronted with "truth", all the sudden you now recall such spraying and falling of chems. You truly are very dark and I take much pride in exposing your deliberate falsehoods time and time again or in your case, dozens and dozens of times.
Light will always conquer the darkness, get used to it ! Amen.....
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It's not your fault guys, you've drank the fluoride and breathe/ate the aluminum barium in nano particulates. It's effected your brains to a point that, with dark energy you can't reason any longer. You don't even know what is said...shame, you may need immediate medical attention.
At 5:48 the General says " NOT condensation trails"
At 7:18 The General says he can see those trails and they are coming DOWN. (to the general population, including his family)
From the Youtube transcript:
"Interviewer:
05:24
What brought climate engineering to your
attention?
General:
Well I live in Tucson Arizona
davis-monthan Air Force Base is located
here and there were some comments that I
read online and then I started noticing
the same thing they were talking about
which was streams that were not
condensation from the aircraft from
davis-monthan and it brought my
curiosity and my wife's curiosity up so
we started researching ran across your
website and got access to your
information so it was from a just a
personal concern in the local area where
we reside."
I hardly consider this whistleblower/smoking gun/USAF expertise exposing the grand geoengineering chemtrail conspiracy. He's just a guy who is interested in the subject.
The remaining 33 minutes is just the interviewer asking questions of "if" our gov't/military or other gov'ts/miltary were up to something wouldn't they hide it? Umm, I don't need to be a General to answer yes.
This is proof of nothing.
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It's not your fault guys, you've drank the fluoride and breathe/ate the aluminum barium in nano particulates. It's effected your brains to a point that, with dark energy you can't reason any longer. You don't even know what is said...shame, you may need immediate medical attention.
At 5:48 the General says " NOT condensation trails"
At 7:18 The General says he can see those trails and they are coming DOWN. (to the general population, including his family)
From the Youtube transcript:
"Interviewer:
05:24
What brought climate engineering to your
attention?
General:
Well I live in Tucson Arizona
davis-monthan Air Force Base is located
here and there were some comments that I
read online and then I started noticing
the same thing they were talking about
which was streams that were not
condensation from the aircraft from
davis-monthan and it brought my
curiosity and my wife's curiosity up so
we started researching ran across your
website and got access to your
information so it was from a just a
personal concern in the local area where
we reside."
I hardly consider this whistleblower/smoking gun/USAF expertise exposing the grand geoengineering chemtrail conspiracy. He's just a guy who is interested in the subject.
The remaining 33 minutes is just the interviewer asking questions of "if" our gov't/military or other gov'ts/miltary were up to something wouldn't they hide it? Umm, I don't need to be a General to answer yes.
This is proof of nothing.
Stack put your credentials out here in public that can be verified plse. Like the base GENERAL who ran an entire air force base and had 50+ years involved with military then on to Raytheon and TOP SECRET weapons. No stack you can't hold a candle to the "guy", I doubt you could conquer latrine duty for him.
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Stack put your credentials out here in public that can be verified plse. Like the base GENERAL who ran an entire air force base and had 50+ years involved with military then on to Raytheon and TOP SECRET weapons. No stack you can't hold a candle to the "guy", I doubt you could conquer latrine duty for him.
I think you're missing the point. The General states that he has no knowledge of such geoengineering weaponry as he never worked on such in the USAF or at Raytheon. The interviewer is merely asking "if" such things existed, how would the military keep such a thing a secret. The General explains how top secret things are kept secret. That's it. No admission of such tech existing or being used. Watch/listen to the interview or read the transcript all the way through. It's very clear you have not done so.
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FYI, I know this general from when I lived in Tombstone back in the 90s. I just asked him if he believed in chemtrails and he laughed and said "no".
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FYI, I know this general from when I lived in Tombstone back in the 90s. I just asked him if he believed in chemtrails and he laughed and said "no".
Did you ask him why he was interviewed by a chemtrail believing group?
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Now I'm not going to take credit for compiling this "partial" list, because patents can be classified as secret and will never be seen as long as they are viable to our security. lmao or our extinction or Dumb assing.
Just a small list of patents.
1338343 – April 27, 1920 – Process And Apparatus For The Production of Intense Artificial Clouds, Fogs, or Mists
1619183 – March 1, 1927 – Process of Producing Smoke Clouds From Moving Aircraft
1631753 – June 7, 1927 – Electric Heater – Referenced in 3990987
1665267 – April 10, 1928 – Process of Producing Artificial Fogs
1892132 – December 27, 1932 – Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts
1928963 – October 3, 1933 – Electrical System And Method
1957075 – May 1, 1934 – Airplane Spray Equipment
2097581 – November 2, 1937 – Electric Stream Generator – Referenced in 3990987
2409201 – October 15, 1946 – Smoke Producing Mixture
2476171 – July 18, 1945 – Smoke Screen Generator
2480967 – September 6, 1949 – Aerial Discharge Device
2550324 – April 24, 1951 – Process For Controlling Weather
2582678 – June 15, 1952 – Material Disseminating Apparatus For Airplanes
2591988 – April 8, 1952 – Production of TiO2 Pigments – Referenced in 3899144
2614083 – October 14, 1952 – Metal Chloride Screening Smoke Mixture
2633455 – March 31, 1953 – Smoke Generator
2688069 – August 31, 1954 – Steam Generator – Referenced in 3990987
2721495 – October 25, 1955 – Method And Apparatus For Detecting Minute Crystal Forming Particles Suspended in a Gaseous Atmosphere
2730402 – January 10, 1956 – Controllable Dispersal Device
2801322 – July 30, 1957 – Decomposition Chamber for Monopropellant Fuel – Referenced in 3990987
2881335 – April 7, 1959 – Generation of Electrical Fields
2908442 – October 13, 1959 – Method For Dispersing Natural Atmospheric Fogs And Clouds
2986360 – May 30, 1962 – Aerial Insecticide Dusting Device
2963975 – December 13, 1960 – Cloud Seeding Carbon Dioxide Bullet
3126155 – March 24, 1964 – Silver Iodide Cloud Seeding Generator – Referenced in 3990987
3127107 – March 31, 1964 – Generation of Ice-Nucleating Crystals
3131131 – April 28, 1964 – Electrostatic Mixing in Microbial Conversions
3174150 – March 16, 1965 – Self-Focusing Antenna System
3234357 – February 8, 1966 – Electrically Heated Smoke Producing Device
3274035 – September 20, 1966 – Metallic Composition For Production of Hydroscopic Smoke
3300721 – January 24, 1967 – Means For Communication Through a Layer of Ionized Gases
3313487 – April 11, 1967 – Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 – August 29, 1967 – Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers – Referenced in 3990987
3410489 – November 12, 1968 – Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump
3429507 – February 25, 1969 – Rainmaker
3432208 – November 7, 1967 – Fluidized Particle Dispenser
3441214 – April 29, 1969 – Method And Apparatus For Seeding Clouds
3445844 – May 20, 1969 – Trapped Electromagnetic Radiation Communications System
3456880 – July 22, 1969 – Method Of Producing Precipitation From The Atmosphere
3518670 June 30, 1970 – Artificial Ion Cloud
3534906 – October 20, 1970 – Control of Atmospheric Particles
3545677 – December 8, 1970 – Method of Cloud Seeding
3564253 – February 16, 1971 – System And Method For Irradiation Of Planet Surface Areas
3587966 – June 28, 1971 – Freezing Nucleation
3601312 – August 24, 1971 – Methods of Increasing The Likelihood oF Precipatation By The Artificial Introduction Of Sea Water Vapor Into The Atmosphere Winward Of An Air Lift Region
3608810 – September 28, 1971 – Methods of Treating Atmospheric Conditions
3608820 – September 20, 1971 – Treatment of Atmospheric Conditions by Intermittent Dispensing of Materials Therein
3613992 – October 19, 1971 – Weather Modification Method
3630950 – December 28, 1971 – Combustible Compositions For Generating Aerosols, Particularly Suitable For Cloud Modification And Weather Control And Aerosolization Process
USRE29142 – This patent is a reissue of patent US3630950 – Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process
3659785 – December 8, 1971 – Weather Modification Utilizing Microencapsulated Material
3666176 – March 3, 1972 – Solar Temperature Inversion Device
3677840 – July 18, 1972 – Pyrotechnics Comprising Oxide of Silver For Weather Modification Use
3722183 – March 27, 1973 – Device For Clearing Impurities From The Atmosphere
3769107 – October 30, 1973 – Pyrotechnic Composition For Generating Lead Based Smoke
3784099 – January 8, 1974 – Air Pollution Control Method
3785557 – January 15, 1974 – Cloud Seeding System
3795626 – March 5, 1974 – Weather Modification Process
3808595 – April 30, 1974 – Chaff Dispensing System
3813875 – June 4, 1974 – Rocket Having Barium Release System to Create Ion Clouds In The Upper Atmospphere
3835059 – September 10, 1974 – Methods of Generating Ice Nuclei Smoke Particles For Weather Modification And Apparatus Therefore
3835293 – September 10, 1974 – Electrical Heating Aparatus For Generating Super Heated Vapors
3877642 – April 15, 1975 – Freezing Nucleant
3882393 – May 6, 1975 – Communications System Utilizing Modulation of The Characteristic Polarization of The Ionosphere
3896993 – July 29, 1975 – Process For Local Modification of Fog And Clouds For Triggering Their Precipitation And For Hindering The Development of Hail Producing Clouds
3899129 – August 12, 1975 – Apparatus for generating ice nuclei smoke particles for weather modification
3899144 – August 12, 1975 – Powder contrail generation
3940059 – February 24, 1976 – Method For Fog Dispersion
3940060 – February 24, 1976 – Vortex Ring Generator
3990987 – November 9, 1976 – Smoke generator
3992628 – November 16, 1976 – Countermeasure system for laser radiation
3994437 – November 30, 1976 – Broadcast dissemination of trace quantities of biologically active chemicals
4042196 – August 16, 1977 – Method and apparatus for triggering a substantial change in earth characteristics and measuring earth changes
RE29,142 – February 22, 1977 – Reissue of: 03630950 – Combustible compositions for generating aerosols,
particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process
4035726 – July 12, 1977 – Method of controlling and/or improving high-latitude and other communications or
radio wave surveillance systems by partial control of radio wave et al
4096005 – June 20, 1978 – Pyrotechnic Cloud Seeding Composition
4129252 – December 12, 1978 – Method and apparatus for production of seeding materials
4141274 – February 27, 1979 – Weather modification automatic cartridge dispenser
4167008 – September 4, 1979 – Fluid bed chaff dispenser
4347284 – August 31, 1982 – White cover sheet material capable of reflecting ultraviolet rays
4362271 – December 7, 1982 – Procedure for the artificial modification of atmospheric precipitation as well as compounds with a dimethyl sulfoxide base for use in carrying out said procedure
4402480 – September 6, 1983 – Atmosphere modification satellite
4412654 – November 1, 1983 – Laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying of liquids
4415265 – November 15, 1983 – Method and apparatus for aerosol particle absorption spectroscopy
4470544 – September 11, 1984 – Method of and Means for weather modification
4475927 – October 9, 1984 – Bipolar Fog Abatement System
4600147 – July 15, 1986 – Liquid propane generator for cloud seeding apparatus
4633714 – January 6, 1987 – Aerosol particle charge and size analyzer
4643355 – February 17, 1987 – Method and apparatus for modification of climatic conditions
4653690 – March 31, 1987 – Method of producing cumulus clouds
4684063 – August 4, 1987 – Particulates generation and removal
4686605 – August 11, 1987 – Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth’s atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere
4704942 – November 10, 1987 – Charged Aerosol
4712155 – December 8, 1987 – Method and apparatus for creating an artificial electron cyclotron heating region of plasma
4744919 – May 17, 1988 – Method of dispersing particulate aerosol tracer
4766725 – August 30, 1988 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
4829838 – May 16, 1989 – Method and apparatus for the measurement of the size of particles entrained in a gas
4836086 – June 6, 1989 – Apparatus and method for the mixing and diffusion of warm and cold air for dissolving fog
4873928 – October 17, 1989 – Nuclear-sized explosions without radiation
4948257 – August 14, 1990 – Laser optical measuring device and method for stabilizing fringe pattern spacing
1338343– August 14, 1990 – Process and Apparatus for the production of intense artificial Fog
4999637 – March 12, 1991 – Creation of artificial ionization clouds above the earth
5003186 – March 26, 1991 – Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
5005355 – April 9, 1991 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
5038664 – August 13, 1991 – Method for producing a shell of relativistic particles at an altitude above the earths surface
5041760 – August 20, 1991 – Method and apparatus for generating and utilizing a compound plasma configuration
5041834 – August 20, 1991 – Artificial ionospheric mirror composed of a plasma layer which can be tilted
5056357 – October 15, 1991- Acoustic method for measuring properties of a mobile medium
5059909 – October 22, 1991 – Determination of particle size and electrical charge
5104069 – April 14, 1992 – Apparatus and method for ejecting matter from an aircraft
5110502 – May 5, 1992 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
5156802 – October 20, 1992 – Inspection of fuel particles with acoustics
5174498 – December 29, 1992 – Cloud Seeding
5148173 – September 15, 1992 – Millimeter wave screening cloud and method
5245290 – September 14, 1993 – Device for determining the size and charge of colloidal particles by measuring electroacoustic effect
5286979 – February 15, 1994 – Process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation using dispersed melanin
5296910 – March 22, 1994 – Method and apparatus for particle analysis
5327222 – July 5, 1994 – Displacement information detecting apparatus
5357865 – October 25, 1994 – Method of cloud seeding
5360162 – November 1, 1994 – Method and composition for precipitation of atmospheric water
5383024 – January 17, 1995 – Optical wet steam monitor
5425413 – June 20, 1995 – Method to hinder the formation and to break-up overhead atmospheric inversions, enhance ground level air circulation and improve urban air quality
5434667 – July 18, 1995 – Characterization of particles by modulated dynamic light scattering
5441200 – August 15, 1995 – Tropical cyclone disruption
5486900 – January 23, 1996 – Measuring device for amount of charge of toner and image forming apparatus having the measuring device
5556029 – September 17, 1996 – Method of hydrometeor dissipation (clouds)
5628455 – May 13, 1997 – Method and apparatus for modification of supercooled fog
5631414 – May 20, 1997 – Method and device for remote diagnostics of ocean-atmosphere system state
5639441 – June 17, 1997 – Methods for fine particle formation
5762298 – June 9, 1998 – Use of artificial satellites in earth orbits adaptively to modify the effect that solar radiation would otherwise have on earth’s weather
5912396 – June 15, 1999 – System and method for remediation of selected atmospheric conditions
5922976 – July 13, 1999 – Method of measuring aerosol particles using automated mobility-classified aerosol detector
5949001 – September 7, 1999 – Method for aerodynamic particle size analysis
5984239 – November 16, 1999 – Weather modification by artificial satellite
6025402 – February 15, 2000 – Chemical composition for effectuating a reduction of visibility obscuration, and a
detoxifixation of fumes and chemical fogs in spaces of fire origin
6030506 – February 29, 2000 – Preparation of independently generated highly reactive chemical species
6034073 – March 7, 2000 – Solvent detergent emulsions having antiviral activity
6045089 – April 4, 2000 – Solar-powered airplane
6056203 – May 2, 2000 – Method and apparatus for modifying supercooled clouds
6110590 – August 29, 2000 – Synthetically spun silk nanofibers and a process for making the same
6263744 – July 24, 2001 – Automated mobility-classified-aerosol detector
6281972 – August 28, 2001 – Method and apparatus for measuring particle-size distribution
6315213 – November 13, 2001 – Method of modifying weather
6382526 – May 7, 2002 – Process and apparatus for the production of nanofibers
6408704 – June 25, 2002 – Aerodynamic particle size analysis method and apparatus
6412416 – July 2, 2002 – Propellant-based aerosol generation devices and method
6520425 – February 18, 2003 – Process and apparatus for the production of nanofibers
6539812 – April 1, 2003 – System for measuring the flow-rate of a gas by means of ultrasound
6553849 – April 29, 2003 – Electrodynamic particle size analyzer
6569393 – May 27, 2003 – Method and device for cleaning the atmospher
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Just copy and paste any one of these here:
https://patents.google.com/
You can read the patent. Google cataloged them all, which is pretty cool.
I looked at a handful. Interesting stuff. But also, so what?
Cloud seeding, for one, has been around forever. I read somewhere we even used it in Vietnam during the war to attempt to increase rainfall during monsoons - didn't work. Crop dusting, sure. There's all kinds of scientific talks around these days developing geoengineering methods to stave off global warming/climate change, etc.
Just b/c there's a patent for something doesn't mean it's been developed, has been used, is being used for nefarious purposes/gains.
One caught my eye though, "4873928 – October 17, 1989 – Nuclear-sized explosions without radiation". Seems scary, not sure what it has to do with "chemtrails" but scary nonetheless.
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Where the heck is our all knowing seafaring pirate with answers to all these public patents, let alone the secret chemtrail ones? Stack folded and came up with something off topic.
At least read several and debunk the obvious chemmys.
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No, Stack pointed out that the existence of patents does nothing to support the existence of chemtrails. That’s pretty obvious to everyone. Unless you can somehow show that these patents can only relate to chemtrails?
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J-man, maybe if you could tease out what you think some of the "chemmy" patents are as you are more familiar with the subject, we could address. As it stands, there's a whole bunch of stuff there, like the example I pointed out, that have to do with I don't know what, but definitely not chemtrails.
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I love the twisted logic -
Chemtrailer: there's a secret government plot to poison us all
Normal person: how do you know?
CTer: publically available patent records. I googled em
Do the James Bond baddies go down the patents office too?
As stated, this is just a list of stuff. It's not evidence of anything.
How about you pick your best one, show us how it's being used, and present a case?
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My whole take of the issue is that pollution exists, it is being dealt with, and that is all we can do.
If there really was chemtrails they would have, by now given the length of time of their supposed existence, had a deleterious effect on all of society. Any attorney filing suits for environmental damages, animal and human deaths, etc. (such as Erin Brockovich) would have surely picked up the cause and won the case by now.
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My whole take of the issue is that pollution exists, it is being dealt with, and that is all we can do.
If there really was chemtrails they would have, by now given the length of time of their supposed existence, had a deleterious effect on all of society. Any attorney filing suits for environmental damages, animal and human deaths, etc. (such as Erin Brockovich) would have surely picked up the cause and won the case by now.
That makes sense. Whatever chemical they are spraying would probably have been found and analyzed.
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How about you pick your best one, show us how it's being used, and present a case?
I'd love to see this too. However, I'm fairly sure that it won't happen.
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My whole take of the issue is that pollution exists, it is being dealt with, and that is all we can do.
If there really was chemtrails they would have, by now given the length of time of their supposed existence, had a deleterious effect on all of society. Any attorney filing suits for environmental damages, animal and human deaths, etc. (such as Erin Brockovich) would have surely picked up the cause and won the case by now.
That makes sense. Whatever chemical they are spraying would probably have been found and analyzed.
Isn't this sort of a moot point?
With or without chem trails, we are putting enough toxins in the air through factories, cars, crop dusters, jet fuel, etc., etc.... Unless they are spraying cyanide or some other biochemical agent into the air, there are far more pressing issues to worry about that have attainable solutions.
As for whether or not I believe in chem trails, I don't necessarily believe they exist, but I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some truth to it.
Regarding the 'clouds' that are often formed from jets and airliners, this can be scientifically validated as condensation which turns into ice crystals at that altitude and forms a lingering cloud. Whether or not this phenomenon occurs is a factor of air pressure, temperature, and altitude (also related to air pressure). It is not due to deliberate cloud seeding technology or chemicals (other than bi-products of combusted jet fuel).
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It’s not moot because chemtrailers believe that the government is spraying something more insidious than standard environmental pollutants.
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https://patents.google.com/patent/US5003186
They are a figment of Hughes Aircraft Co and Raytheon Co's imagination
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More info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsbach_seeding
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https://patents.google.com/patent/US5003186
They are a figment of Hughes Aircraft Co and Raytheon Co's imagination
This is a proposal, but it is only a proposal. There have been several proposed strategies for stopping and/or reversing global warming; that doesn't mean they are good proposals, nor does it mean they will be enacted.
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Abstract
Aluminium is neurotoxic. Its free ion, Al3+ (aq), is highly biologically reactive and uniquely equipped to do damage to essential cellular (neuronal) biochemistry. This unequivocal fact must be the starting point in examining the risk posed by aluminium as a neurotoxin in humans. Aluminium is present in the human brain and it accumulates with age. The most recent research demonstrates that a significant proportion of individuals older than 70 years of age have a potentially pathological accumulation of aluminium somewhere in their brain. What are the symptoms of chronic aluminium intoxication in humans? What if neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s disease are the manifestation of the risk of aluminium as a neurotoxin? How might such an (outrageous) hypothesis be tested?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14737175.2014.915745
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has just put out a grim report about Alzheimer’s disease in the United States.
Death rates from Alzheimer’s climbed 55 percent from 1999 to 2014, CDC found, and the number of Americans afflicted is likely to rise rapidly in the coming years. About 5.5 million people 65 years and older have the disease — a wretched and fatal form of dementia that erases memories and ultimately can destroy mental and physical capacity. By 2050, that’s expected to more than double to 13.8 million people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/05/26/u-s-death-rate-for-alzheimers-rose-dramatically-over-15-years-why/?utm_term=.c6873818d181
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Don't be alarmed, it's nothing, the Devil is not spraying you.
Now go look up what your chances of having a child with major disabilities is today? That will shock the shit out of you.
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Abstract
Aluminium is neurotoxic. Its free ion, Al3+ (aq), is highly biologically reactive and uniquely equipped to do damage to essential cellular (neuronal) biochemistry. This unequivocal fact must be the starting point in examining the risk posed by aluminium as a neurotoxin in humans. Aluminium is present in the human brain and it accumulates with age. The most recent research demonstrates that a significant proportion of individuals older than 70 years of age have a potentially pathological accumulation of aluminium somewhere in their brain. What are the symptoms of chronic aluminium intoxication in humans? What if neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s disease are the manifestation of the risk of aluminium as a neurotoxin? How might such an (outrageous) hypothesis be tested?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14737175.2014.915745
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has just put out a grim report about Alzheimer’s disease in the United States.
Death rates from Alzheimer’s climbed 55 percent from 1999 to 2014, CDC found, and the number of Americans afflicted is likely to rise rapidly in the coming years. About 5.5 million people 65 years and older have the disease — a wretched and fatal form of dementia that erases memories and ultimately can destroy mental and physical capacity. By 2050, that’s expected to more than double to 13.8 million people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/05/26/u-s-death-rate-for-alzheimers-rose-dramatically-over-15-years-why/?utm_term=.c6873818d181
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Don't be alarmed, it's nothing, the Devil is not spraying you.
Now go look up what your chances of having a child with major disabilities is today? That will shock the shit out of you.
Don't forget about all the chemicals that leach into our water supply from pesticides, herbicides, and the food supply that is pumped full of hormones and antibiotics. There are many plausible causes of severe disease in our current society. Radiation....
I recently read an interesting article about Alzheimers where a primitive culture was found to be nearly immune to old age mental disease even though they still had the ApoE gene (which is found to be directly linked to alzheimers), and what they found is that an individual in this society was highly likely to have some sort of parasite in their brain. The presence of the ApoE gene caused the brain to attack the parasites and the affected neurons in order to prevent illness and ultimately protect the brain. In modern societies, we live in our little sanitary boxes, so we don't have parasites; however we still have the ApoE gene. It was hypothesized that it isn't the plaque and tangled "threads" that causes alzheimers. In fact many people who have plaque present in the brain do not have alzheimers. What causes alzheimers is the brain attacking itself due to the defense response that has evolved in us (ApoE gene) to protect our brains from parasites.
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An aircraft performing fast direction/pitch changes will create a trail of vapors from its leading edges/control surfaces that can last a while. Compressed air with humidity in it does that, as is evident if you drain an air compressor tank. Drain that tank in very cold weather and the vapor stays around longer. A jet engine is nothing more than a giant compressor. Internal parts of any combustion engine need to be kept clean from dirt, water and chemicals that aren’t meant to be burned or to lubricate those internal parts. Also chemical composition changes after a substance is burned, so go ahead and find some terrible chemical that 1 will cause a predictable but passive harm after being burned 2 can be burned in a jet engine and not harm the engine itself or the performance of said engine.
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I don't subscribe to the air poisoning conspiracy. I would think that ridiculous in my honest opinion. Indirectly perhaps, as a result of air or cloud modification.
I have however witnessed planes creating trails in a perfect square formation over several miles. These trails spread out after lingering to form a canopy.
I would hazard a guess it is to cover a part of the sky in order to hamper astronomical observations, since they always do it shortly before sunset.
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It's always very striking to see these criss-cross patterns in the air, and I'd much rather have clearer skies myself - apart from when I need to fly somewhere, of course - but the 'squares' themselves have quite a logical explanation:
Planes fly in paths. Trails drift on breezes. By the time the next plane comes, it's actually flying parallel to the previous plane's trail. And so on.
I think this video demonstrates it really nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltg4tQoYh0g
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It's always very striking to see these criss-cross patterns in the air, and I'd much rather have clearer skies myself - apart from when I need to fly somewhere, of course - but the 'squares' themselves have quite a logical explanation:
Planes fly in paths. Trails drift on breezes. By the time the next plane comes, it's actually flying parallel to the previous plane's trail. And so on
I appreciate that Max, really I do, but what I've been witnessing is one plane flying in a square.