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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is God possible?

« on: February 02, 2020, 07:29:51 PM »

It's sad that Science and Spirituality are enemies. They should not be.

Thr grass sprouts and grows up and makes it's own food from sunlight... man if that aint a fucking miracle what is?

Your daughter has your nose and when she sits and thinks looks just like you...

Wtf? You can't see the miracle in those things? I feel sorry for you.

There is a power greater than we. There must be. All that is... is. Where did it all come from?

If You believe in evolution or creationism or simulation... who or what started it all?

Man there has to be a creator. How can there not be? Everything is so perfect... and you scream accident?

An apple tree doesnt give oranges. The sea breeds fish... these are fucking miracles.

How can you look at the world and only see mechanical operations?

Who robbed you of your spirit? I pity he who says there is no God/Intelligence greater than man or some supposed alien...

Your poor empty soul

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God sent Gandhi to Hell

« on: February 02, 2020, 06:55:18 PM »

Ask yourself: what kind of being is God if he sends Gandhi to Hell?

The kind that gives us a choice whether to accept His gift of salvation.
Other religions expect you to "earn" your way to salvation, Christianity recognises that none of us can, the law is given as a straight line to show us how crooked we are. As humans we may think of some people as "bad" and others as "good", God doesn't see it that way, but he offers us a way out:

Romans 3:
"23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."

God: So... I decided you are all sinners and will go to Hell.
Man: What?!  Even if we're really nice?
God: Yes.  Even babies go to hell because you are born sinners.  No matter what.
Man: Who decided that?
God: Me.  See, you aren't me so.... Ya gotta burn. But don't worry.  Just worship me and my son and you'll go to Heaven.
Man:....  So you are sending us to Hell because you didn't make us as good as you and the only way out is to worship you?
God: Yes.
Man: ...

This is the problem with Christianity. It makes slaves of people. This belief  is not Biblical either.

Modern Christians like to quote their own dogma without reading the book (Bible) on which their religion is supposedly based.

Jesus never claimed to be the ONLY son of God... but A Son of God. Also the most accurate (in my opinion) book of the Bible regarding Jesus's life would be John, because it was written by an actual eye witness. The others are just compilations of dogma many years after Jesus's crucifixion.

John says nothing about a virgin birth, wise men, none of that. He says Jesus was a holy being who had a message. His message was, as you think, act and live, so shall your reality be. Also that there is clearly an after life.

All the rest of what the modern Christians believe is fairytale stuff.

I believe in Jesus. I believe in Jehovah.  But Judeo-Christians are not the only people who will be saved. Jesus himself says that "many will come from the east and west to dine with Moses and the prophets" and many other supporting things.

God is real. He has many names. Saying the magic words will not save you. Changing how you think, talk act and live to be as Christ will.

Anyway. Nobody even reads the Bible but are all authorities on how everyone else should live. Bullshit

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Media Resistance

« on: February 02, 2020, 06:32:37 PM »

Mr. Bill

Your points are spot on, but you're missing the basic premise. We either evolved or were created. This is the nutz and boltz. This explains why the pressure to derail any FE thinking as evolution has not and can not be scientifically proven. And the complexity of humans is beyond our understanding, so much for evolving over long periods of time understanding and documenting the changes. Yet we look to our creator for easy understanding and answers to complex questions..

I humbly think FE has to be a spiritual movement to ever be successful. I agree that there is no evolutionary link between apes and man. Also, if we are the apes, why are there still apes? Arent we them?

Then there is the missing link. If we evolved over millons of years why are there no half man half ape  (halfway there) skeletons? They pull one outta the earth supposedly now and then, but its a sham. There should be billions of fossils... where are they?

Man was engineered. By whom is up to debate. But man is not an evolved being. Simple reasoning will not allow it to be that way.

Also, everything believed is so believed because thats what every single source has said for your whole existence. Not because it's reasonable, nor scientific. But because its scary to think otherwise.

To believed man was engineered is to be beholden to his engineer. This is frightening because we have denied said Engineer for a long time now. Its better to just keep walking down the populist, atheistic path and ignore the coming cliff.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Media Resistance

« on: February 02, 2020, 06:24:15 PM »

To answer the first person. Well I am a light aircraft pilot and as you fly along, once a stable altitude is achieved, were the earth round you would have to adjust the yoke down every few minutes to stop the aircraft from climbing in altitude. As a pilot I can say clearly you do not have to do this.

When aircraft fly at a constant speed and altitude, then the aircraft will follow the geodesics around the surface of the Earth which is the notion of a straight line, however the actual flight path is a large circular arc. The moon follows a geodesic path around the Earth, and so do the planets around the sun.

See thats not so... regarding aircraft. Simple physics dictate it cannot be so. An airplane rides on a cushion of air created by airpressure from the velocity of the wing through the air.  Although to some extent the barrometric pressure affects flight, at 10,000 feet to 11,000 feet very little presure change takes place.

No way a plane would follow the arc of land... its not reasonable. Sorry. Nor is it based in flight physics. Flight is linear. I have read the argument of which you speak. But, it has serious flaws.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Media Resistance

« on: February 02, 2020, 06:16:51 PM »

I can agree with the OP. If FE was blatantly false or easily dismissable no one would bother to talk about it, just as they aren't talking about the people who believe in leprechauns. The fact that there is a mass effort to combat it shows that there is no obvious proof for their own stance and an argument is needed.

No effort to combat, just establishing the shape of the earth, whatever it is.

You have not responded to previous requests to explain how you would determine the size and shape of the earth.  Maybe now is the time.

I am not yet a FE activist or proponent.  But it is very easy to see there is a very organized resistance and attack from media and government. So... maybe not you personally. But FE is under attack and a nasty one. It's reality.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Media Resistance

« on: February 02, 2020, 06:07:59 PM »

I can agree with the OP. If FE was blatantly false or easily dismissable no one would bother to talk about it, just as they aren't talking about the people who believe in leprechauns. The fact that there is a mass effort to combat it shows that there is no obvious proof for their own stance and an argument is needed.

Its common sense.  If you ain't threatened by something you don't defend against it. If you defend against it, it's a valid threat

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Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.

« on: February 01, 2020, 03:35:03 PM »

Common sense says we didn't go to the moon in a craft powered by a computer that was less powerful than a modern calculator. And then that we or anyone else has not returned... in 50 years? Wtf?

But... this face mask image doesnt look like the big discovery the author hoped. It looks like a blurry image of something humanoid.

Don't see any concrete proof here.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Media Resistance

« on: February 01, 2020, 03:04:52 PM »

To answer the first person. Well I am a light aircraft pilot and as you fly along, once a stable altitude is achieved, were the earth round you would have to adjust the yoke down every few minutes to stop the aircraft from climbing in altitude. As a pilot I can say clearly you do not have to do this.


Also at an altitude of 10,000 feet you can see hundres of miles in any direction on a clear day... no curvature is visible.

I am not sure how these can be true if the earth is round.

To answer the second question of the next person,

I'm 40 years old and common real life experience teaches that lies cause little to no reaction, but the truth angers easily.

Your refrence to a movie, a slapstick comedy, is not reality, but art. I am talking about real life, not movies.

Furthermore the nature of man is to be a sheep, following whoever screams the loudest. Flat Earth people have a tinsy voice and the establishment has a megaphone.


I think the matter begs more research. Just on common, everyday experience a globe earth has visible flaws.

Strange how this Flat Earth site is invaded with establishment Nazis who want to make anyone look stupid who might challenge an established theory.

Why are folks not allowed to explore their ideas without demonization? If the truth is so clear then why fear flat earth?

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Flat Earth Community / Media Resistance

« on: February 01, 2020, 04:11:55 AM »

Hi, I'm new here, but not new to the idea of a flat earth.

It seems to me there are many good and simple proofs that the Earth might be flat, but the most convincing of all to me is the vehement hatred with which the flat earth theory is received by news and social media.

Something that is absurd, or that has no scientific basis would not be considered worthy of rebuttal by the establishment.

Flat Earth Theory, however, is received with great attention to discredit it by the establishment.  This is very strange phenomenon in and of itself.

For example, if I say the moon is made of cheese and start a cheese moon society, no one will speak against me. The idea has no basis and I am an idiot. NASA will not acknowledge ny claim, nor will the media.

Flat Earth, however, has a great amount of establishment resources dedicated to destroying the theory. This in and of itself seems concrete proof that there is something to the Flat Earth Theory. Why would the government, the media and the scientific community spend time and resources to "debunk " something they claim is ludicrous?

This attention and attack by the establishment is proof they feel threatened by the Flat Earth Theory.

Flat Earthers are not capitalizing on the hatred of the scientific community. This is a great opportunity to further the cause so to speak.

When your enemy fears you, he attacks. The establishment is most definantly your enemy if you are a flat earth proponent. The flat earthers should press the scientific community very hard, as they are pressing the flat earthers.

This is just an observation, but a good one I think....

Thoughts?

-Bill