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Re: Trump
« Reply #2560 on: January 23, 2018, 09:53:04 AM »
nothing in the video was about the local pd not doing their jobs.  it was them complaining about ice.
A member of law enforcement publicly telling an international news outlet that "haha I'd have to think twice about the law if it concerned someone I like :) :) :)" is a bit of an issue.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2561 on: January 23, 2018, 12:57:44 PM »
Well, Shutdown's over.
Republicans won.  Guess Dems didn't have the spine. :/

Also, this:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/22/579848409/trump-slaps-tariffs-on-imported-solar-panels-and-washing-machines

Trump... did something smart.  Either he finally realizes that tariffs help bring jobs back or he's trying to kill the solar industry.  Either way, he's doing it in a smarter way than he was.

I am afraid.

It’s a giant problem that compromising is seen as losing.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2562 on: January 23, 2018, 01:21:53 PM »
Well, Shutdown's over.
Republicans won.  Guess Dems didn't have the spine. :/

Also, this:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/22/579848409/trump-slaps-tariffs-on-imported-solar-panels-and-washing-machines

Trump... did something smart.  Either he finally realizes that tariffs help bring jobs back or he's trying to kill the solar industry.  Either way, he's doing it in a smarter way than he was.

I am afraid.

It’s a giant problem that compromising is seen as losing.
The Democrats didn't compromise, they agreed to a few weeks of time and a promise on a vote 'soon' about the dreamers.


And by losing I mean who got the blame and who came out politically better off.  Republicans got what they wanted and the blame isn't sticking to them very well.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2563 on: January 23, 2018, 02:24:47 PM »
Well, Shutdown's over.
Republicans won.  Guess Dems didn't have the spine. :/

Also, this:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/22/579848409/trump-slaps-tariffs-on-imported-solar-panels-and-washing-machines

Trump... did something smart.  Either he finally realizes that tariffs help bring jobs back or he's trying to kill the solar industry.  Either way, he's doing it in a smarter way than he was.

I am afraid.

It’s a giant problem that compromising is seen as losing.
The Democrats didn't compromise, they agreed to a few weeks of time and a promise on a vote 'soon' about the dreamers.


And by losing I mean who got the blame and who came out politically better off.  Republicans got what they wanted and the blame isn't sticking to them very well.

They absolutely did compromise.  They wanted immediate action on the Dreamers issue and they moved their position to do get the government running again. If, in 3 weeks, there is no progress from the GOP, this can happen again.  In regards to who won political points, I think it is will fail to move the needle in either direction.  Pubs will be pubs and dems will be dems.  American's have their dumbass tribes and will hold on to them tightly regardless of what is happening.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2564 on: January 23, 2018, 02:35:24 PM »
Well, Shutdown's over.
Republicans won.  Guess Dems didn't have the spine. :/

Also, this:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/22/579848409/trump-slaps-tariffs-on-imported-solar-panels-and-washing-machines

Trump... did something smart.  Either he finally realizes that tariffs help bring jobs back or he's trying to kill the solar industry.  Either way, he's doing it in a smarter way than he was.

I am afraid.

It’s a giant problem that compromising is seen as losing.
The Democrats didn't compromise, they agreed to a few weeks of time and a promise on a vote 'soon' about the dreamers.


And by losing I mean who got the blame and who came out politically better off.  Republicans got what they wanted and the blame isn't sticking to them very well.

They absolutely did compromise.  They wanted immediate action on the Dreamers issue and they moved their position to do get the government running again. If, in 3 weeks, there is no progress from the GOP, this can happen again.  In regards to who won political points, I think it is will fail to move the needle in either direction.  Pubs will be pubs and dems will be dems.  American's have their dumbass tribes and will hold on to them tightly regardless of what is happening.
They got a non-binding promise, as I understand it, to call a vote.  Nothing more.  And in 3 weeks, if this happens again, the Democrats will absolutely take the fall for it.  I mean, they should cause they ARE causing it, but everyone will know.

And yes, America has their tribes.  Doesn't mean you can't think your tribe is being stupid and needs to be replaced.  You'll still clutch to your party no matter what but hey, now you think some of them need to be swapped out for newer politicians.

Also, independents are a thing and they help sway elections.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2565 on: January 23, 2018, 02:40:20 PM »
They got a non-binding promise, as I understand it, to call a vote. Nothing more.

In politics there is no other kind.

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And in 3 weeks, if this happens again, the Democrats will absolutely take the fall for it.  I mean, they should cause they ARE causing it, but everyone will know.

So no problem there.

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And yes, America has their tribes.  Doesn't mean you can't think your tribe is being stupid and needs to be replaced.  You'll still clutch to your party no matter what but hey, now you think some of them need to be swapped out for newer politicians.

But if your party is stupid and needs to be replaced and you still vote for them, what does that say?


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Re: Trump
« Reply #2566 on: January 23, 2018, 03:52:12 PM »
They got a non-binding promise, as I understand it, to call a vote. Nothing more.

In politics there is no other kind.
Sure there is.  They're called Laws.

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And in 3 weeks, if this happens again, the Democrats will absolutely take the fall for it.  I mean, they should cause they ARE causing it, but everyone will know.

So no problem there.
It's a problem if you want Democrats to win more elections.  Or want them to be less stupid.

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And yes, America has their tribes.  Doesn't mean you can't think your tribe is being stupid and needs to be replaced.  You'll still clutch to your party no matter what but hey, now you think some of them need to be swapped out for newer politicians.

But if your party is stupid and needs to be replaced and you still vote for them, what does that say?
That they'll vote for their party no matter whose on the ticket.  It's one thing to try and put in another candidate.  But when you have only two (realistic) choices, it doesn't matter on election day.  You either vote for the person you may or may not have wanted to represent your party or you throw away your vote.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2567 on: January 23, 2018, 04:02:37 PM »
It's a problem if you want Democrats to win more elections.  Or want them to be less stupid.

So there is the problem.  Why should you want Democrats to win elections?  Why don't you want the candidate with the best ideas to win?

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That they'll vote for their party no matter whose on the ticket.  It's one thing to try and put in another candidate.  But when you have only two (realistic) choices, it doesn't matter on election day.  You either vote for the person you may or may not have wanted to represent your party or you throw away your vote.

Yes, it's true that nothing will change as long as people don't change their voting habits.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2568 on: January 23, 2018, 04:06:34 PM »
It's a problem if you want Democrats to win more elections.  Or want them to be less stupid.

So there is the problem.  Why should you want Democrats to win elections?  Why don't you want the candidate with the best ideas to win?
Because I find that Democrats have better ideas than Republicans.  Or at least ideas that more align with my own opinions.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2569 on: January 23, 2018, 06:52:03 PM »
ur retartet but u donut even no it and i walnut tell u y

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Re: Trump
« Reply #2570 on: January 23, 2018, 06:56:47 PM »
http://thehill.com/media/370207-man-arrested-after-threatening-to-kill-cnn-employees

You know it's funny CNN
God, it reminds me of that guy who stormed a pizzaria in DC looking for the children in the non-existent basement.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2571 on: January 23, 2018, 10:45:08 PM »
So there is the problem.  Why should you want Democrats to win elections?  Why don't you want the candidate with the best ideas to win?
I would love for that to be the case, but we're all about political platforms here. So you never really know who has the best ideas since it all comes down to big talking points. Best ideas always get shot down for the better puppet.

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« Reply #2572 on: January 24, 2018, 11:58:49 AM »
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So there is the problem.  Why should you want Democrats to win elections?  Why don't you want the candidate with the best ideas to win?

Because any senator/ congressman is going to be subject to the whips of their party. They might be someone with brilliant ideas, but if they're a part of the Republican Party then they're going to have to go along with the whips if they want any support from their party, not to mention the fundraising efforts to get re-elected, which means that the platform matters hugely.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #2575 on: January 30, 2018, 12:15:26 AM »
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371305-ny-times-melania-was-blindsided-by-report-of-payment-to-porn-star?amp=1

How blindsided could she have possibly been? Surely she recognized that she was marrying a serial adulterer.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2576 on: January 30, 2018, 07:28:50 AM »
Also, why would she care?  She didn't marry him for his devotion to her...
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2577 on: January 30, 2018, 12:43:28 PM »
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371305-ny-times-melania-was-blindsided-by-report-of-payment-to-porn-star?amp=1

How blindsided could she have possibly been? Surely she recognized that she was marrying a serial adulterer.

She may have known about it but thought it was wrapped up quietly so she was surprised by the report but not the information?

Also, why would she care?  She didn't marry him for his devotion to her...

Did she tell you that at high tea recently? People can convince themselves that all sorts of things are true. Maybe she thought that she was the one who would change him.
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« Reply #2578 on: January 30, 2018, 02:21:36 PM »
Did she tell you that at high tea recently? People can convince themselves that all sorts of things are true. Maybe she thought that she was the one who would change him.
High Tea?  Oh please.
Afternoon coffee.

What do I look like, a Brit?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2579 on: January 31, 2018, 05:42:19 PM »
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/31/582126343/train-carrying-gop-lawmakers-hits-garbage-truck-in-virginia

Oh look, the GOP got an early start on their legislative agenda meeting.

I am sorry for the loss of life in this preventable accident.  Probably wasn't a politician either.  Probably the train conductor.
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