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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream

« on: April 24, 2018, 09:16:59 AM »

Why does this question keep coming up? Yes. It is possible that the stream is real. It is possible that the Earth is round.

Because it's quite rare to find a FEer not entrenched in their position, to the exclusion of all else.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 24, 2018, 09:14:36 AM »

Lets try to do the math on this hunch you have.

By all means, let us do that. Then we can explore how condescending this comment is, when your basis for this whole thread is a big 'hunch' ....

Seriously, there is not ONE comment in this thread that I can find that agrees with you. Nobody supports your position. Nobody agrees with your calculations. Every comment from everyone who is not you either questions your premise, or explicitly disagrees with your figures.

What does this tell you?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream

« on: April 24, 2018, 09:05:32 AM »

a stream so simple could be more easily faked. This is why the distinction between officially fake and officially real live streams is key.

How would one make such a distinction?

How can you know, if you do know, that the official NASA live stream is fake?

I do not claim to know one way or the other. I'm merely suggesting that it's not the irrefutable proof that newcomer RE'ers are looking for.

So you're admitting at least the possibility that it is real?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 24, 2018, 08:23:26 AM »

It is not merely arbitrary that the number of hours in a day should fit into the number of days in a year.

No, the number of HOURS in a day should fit the number of HOURS in a year. There's no requirement for the number of days to fit, for, as you keep saying, a year is 365.24 days. The clue that this is not a multiple of 24 is in that 0.24 that's additional to the 365.

(1 Dollar = 4 Quarters
1 Quarter = 25 Cents

So ....  4/25 = ... what?)

As I described earlier, the first number needs to be the larger one and the greatest hierarchical unit in the scenario.

so ...

9 dollars = 36 quarters
1 quarter = 25 cents

36/25 = 1.44

10 dollars = 40 quarters
1 quarter = 25 cents

40/25 = 1.60

A visualization.

The sun travels across the earth's surface each day.
Earth circumference = 24,901 mi. In 1 Day the sun travels over 24,901 mi. of earth.
24,901 / 24 = 1037.54166667 miles. Over 1 hour the sun travels over 1037.54166667 miles
After 365 days: 24,901 mi. x 365 days = 9088865 miles
After 365.24  days: 24901 x 365.24 = 9094841.24 miles
Difference = 5976.24 miles

5976.24 miles / 1037.54166667 miles = 5.76. The hours in miles fits into the difference by 5.76 times. Where are those extra hours coming from? The sun will not be in the same place.

This visualisation fails because it takes no account of axial tilt and oblateness of the Earth, and because it takes no account of the movement of Earth in its orbit. The sun travels a greater distance in the sky than the circumference, because once the Earth has moved on in its orbit, it needs to rotate more than one circumference to place the sun in the same position. Back to that diagram above showing how you need a reference point outwith the solar system to show this (reply #135, and the wikipedia that I quoted around page 2 or 3 ....)

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 24, 2018, 08:07:20 AM »

Gary, the earth rotates 24 hours in relation to the sun. The earth rotates slightly slower in relation to the stars. Why do the stars matter?

.. because they form (essentially) a stationary reference point outwith our solar system

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 10:51:29 PM »

This applies to measuring systems that are constant.

The dollar is divided by dimes and pennies, so it will work.

The mile is divided by foot and by inches, so it will work.

British currency values are not based on constants like that.

The pound was divided by shillings and pennies, in the same way that your dollar is divided by dimes and cents/pennies.

However;

1 Dollar = 4 Quarters
1 Quarter = 25 Cents

So ....  4/25 = ... what?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 10:29:12 PM »

Again, I see that you guys are trying to divide smaller numbers by bigger numbers to disprove this. You can't do that in division.

Why not? Says who, apart from you?

Are you telling me I can't divide 1 by 4 to yield 0.25, or one quarter anymore?

1 Year = 365.24 Days
1 Days = 24 Hours

365.24 Days / 24 Hours <--- You say this is invalid

It means nothing to everyone else. What does it mean to you? 365.24/24 = 1/24th of 365.24. Nothing else.

1 Dollar = 10 Dimes
1 Dime = 10 Pennies
10 Dimes / 10 Pennies = 1  <--- But this is correct. 10 Dimes fits into 10 Pennies 1 time

Once again,

1 Pound = 20 shillings
1 Shilling = 12 Pence

20 / 12 = 1.66666 - Your example only comes out with a whole number because of the 10/10 relationship of cents to dimes AND dimes to dollars


1 Yard = 5280 Feet
1 Foot = 12 inches

5280 Feet / 12 inches = 440  <--- This is correct as well. 12 Inches can fit neatly into 5280 feet 440 times

Total hogwash. 1 yard is 3 feet. 440 yards is a quarter mile, 5280 feet is 1 mile

This one only works out because

1 foot = 12 inches
3 feet = 1 yard
440 yards = quarter mile
1760 yards = 1 mile, so (1760*3) 5280 feet = 1 mile

Divide 5280 feet by 12 and you get 440 feet. Which is the same result as dividing 5280 by 4 to get one quarter mile (= 440 yards), then dividing that by 3 to get 440 feet (4*3 = 12).

You've picked another where the relationship between the units is built upon the figure that you're dividing into them, so it will naturally work out as a whole number.

Try it on anything where the relationship is not built this way, and it falls apart. See my example above.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 08:54:38 PM »

It is not a random number. When you are multiplying the Year by 24 then you are breaking out the units that are contained within the Day. You need to multiply the day by 24 as well to maintain the equivalence.

At least three others assert this to be meaningless. Why are you persisting with it?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is the reason for perpetuating the round earth?

« on: April 23, 2018, 08:52:18 PM »

-- PROOF?

The "Evidence for the Conspiracy" section follows shortly afterwards.

Wow. Not a word about Russia.

First satellite.
First animal in space.
First man and woman in space.

And not a word about them ... so they're exempt from "The Conspiracy", then?

EDIT - apparently so, for the Motive for the Conspiracy is focused purely on NASA.

NASA is not the only space agency with an active space programme.

"The earth is portrayed as round in NASA media..."  and in Russian media, and in SpaceX media, etc etc

Most of the 'evidence for the conspiracy' focuses on missions to other celestial bodies - the Moon, Mars, Saturn etc. Even if total and utter fakery could be proved with respect to these missions, that has no bearing on the shape of the Earth, does it?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 06:52:55 PM »

If you take a group of 24 days compared to the 365.24 day year, the number of hours in both is equivalent in ratio to 365.24 days / 24 hours.

Of course it is.   365.24 / 24 gives the same result as (365.24*24) / (24*24)

So what, though? Why take a group of 24 days in the first place?

A week is seven days. It's not a multiple of that.
It's not the number of days in any month of the year.

It seems to be an arbitrary number you've picked at random.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 06:47:25 PM »

You are right. It also represents 15.21 days. 1/24th of a year is 15.21. It can also be interpreted like that. But division of this manner can also be interpreted on how many times the smaller number on the right fits into the bigger number on the left. The result should be a whole number.

Only if the units used on each side of the divisor MATCH. They do not.

At least two others have stated your calculation to be meaningless as well as I, but you persist.

What do you claim to have 'proved' here?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 06:33:06 PM »

I predict #95 will be Tom's "claim of victory" post, and nothing further will be forthcoming.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 06:29:56 PM »

The rest of this thread seems to be just clarification about how division and ratios work, to check if the math of dividing years by days was correct.

... but you didn't divide years by days.

You've persistently divided 365.24 by 24  (days by hours) to arrive at a number of days that represents one twenty-fourth of a year (15.21).

We already know that a day of 24 hours doesn't fit exactly into a year of 365.24 days. The clue is in the 0.24. Otherwise the year  would be 365 days (365 sets of 24 hours), an exact number. Dividing this by 24 still gives one twenty-fourth of a year. This is why we have leap years. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Are flat-heads willing to admit that they are wrong?

« on: April 23, 2018, 06:21:41 PM »

... Tom, well, he's always gonna be Tom. We love him just the way he is.

Really? What do you think he brings to the table?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream

« on: April 23, 2018, 06:17:31 PM »

They might be pre-recorded, or they might be procedurally generated.

Pre-recorded wouldn't fit in with the real-time imagery from weather satellites, unless the operator possesses a crystal ball or time machine. 

What do you mean by "procedurally generated"?


Acknowledging that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference is an important first step.

Do you have a good reason why I or anyone else should acknowledge this? Claiming that the stream "could be" something which it is not is not really a good reason....

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 06:10:36 PM »

This is simple math.

This is condescension

A grouping of Twenty Four 24 hour days has 576 hours.
24 x 24 = 576
A year has 8765.76 hours in it.
365.24 x 24 = 8765.76
The ratio is 8765.76 hours / 576 hours

What ratio? All you've done is divide the number of hours in a year by the number of hours in 24 days. Why would you do this?

Can we see if a grouping of Twenty Four 24 hour days (576 hours) fits into a year that is 8765.76 hours long?
8765.76 hours / 576 hours = 15.21. No. It does not fit.

So what? What does that prove?

This is the same ratio as 365.24 / 24, and gives the same answer.

Again, all you're doing with this calculation is deriving one twenty-fourth of a year. You're not deriving any 'ratio' between anything that needs to be ratioed. You're calculating that 1/24th of a year is 15.21 days.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Are flat-heads willing to admit that they are wrong?

« on: April 23, 2018, 05:23:20 PM »

Look, I get you don't like us

Not a question of dislike, merely disagreement.

Overall, this thread is an excellent illustration of cognitive bias. You think that the debate has been won, so how dare there be people who disagree with you?!.

Funny, that seems to be EXACTLY the attitude displayed by Parallax, Bishop, et al ...

Eventually, the shitposters will get bored and we'll be back to business as usual.

What IS 'business as usual' here?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 05:14:44 PM »

1 Slice = 1 Day
Each Slice is divided into 24 smaller slices (lets call them MiniSlices)

We know that 1 Slice goes, allegedly, a pie 365.24 times (Year)

So you have 365.24 sets of 24 minislices

We can do 365.24 / 1 to see if that works. The result is 365.24. Not a whole number. 1 Slice cannot fit a pie evenly.

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We can also get rid of the concept of the single slice entirely and just focus on the MiniSlices.

We have 24 MiniSlices in the pie of equal length. Will they fit into the pie?

You have space for 365.24 sets of 24 minislices, not 24 minislices

365.24 / 24 = 15.21. The answer is No. They will not fit.

Now all you've done is divide the space up differently.

First, you divided it into 365.24 sets of 24 minislices. You've divided it into 8765.76 minislices.

Now you've divided it up into 24 equal parts. 15.21 'units' is one twenty-fourth of your available space, which you said was 365.24. This is unrelated to any part of your slices or minislices.   

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 05:02:50 PM »

Not a random number. The result isn't a "random number". The result is a ratio of how many times the second number fits into the first number.

Again, you're deriving a meaningless ratio from two separate, distinct units. First unit is days, second is hours.

365 divided by 24 = 15.2083
One twenty-fourth of 365 is 15.2083

But you have 365 or 365.24 days, and each of those days is 24 hours, so you have 365 or 365.24 sets of 24. Dividing 365 or 365.24 by 24 merely tells you that one twenty-fourth of 365 or 365.24 is 15.2083 or 15.2183 of those sets.

You appear to be trying to convince yourself with this that 365.24 days is not a whole number of days. But we know that.

365 days is a whole number of days. The clue that 365.24 days is not a whole number is that it has 0.24 in it.   

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Possible Issue with Solar Noon in Round Earth Theory

« on: April 23, 2018, 03:45:46 PM »

There is a rule in division that the larger group on the left side needs to be a bigger number than the smaller group on the right side for this to work.

Which 'rule' is that?

7 / 24 = 0.29166  < --- This is not a valid equation for the purpose

No sh*t. The whole point of me quoting it to you is that it doesn't mean anything.... you appear to agree

If we change that around to "  Day - 3 hours. Does a 3 hour day fit into a 6 day week?"
 
6 / 3 = 2. Whole Number. Works.

Six days, if each day is three hours, is a total of (6*3) 18 hours.

That's six separate sets of three hours. A total of 18 hours. Divide the total 18 hours by 6, and you get the length of a day. 3 hours.
Divide the total number of days by 3, and all you get three sets of 2 days.
You've calculated that one-third of a week of six days is two days.

Again, you're dividing Days by Hours to get something meaningless. 


Does a 3 hour day fit into a 7 day week?

7 / 3 = 2.33. Not a whole number. A 3 hour day does not fit neatly into a week that is 7 days long. The earth has not finished rotating by the time it reaches that point.

Again, you've calculated that one-third of a 7-day week is 2.33 days.

7 days of 3 hours each is 21 hours. Divide 21 by 7 and you get the length of one day. Divide 21 by 3 and you get 7 days of three hours each.

Dividing 7 by 3 gives you one-third of seven.

Likewise, dividing any number of days by 24 gives you an answer equal to one twenty-fourth of the total number of days.