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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Something odd about magnets
« on: August 26, 2021, 10:29:41 PM »
How did you establish that they're FE'ers? Do you just take the word of anyone with a YouTube channel for granted?

If they claim to be Flat-Earthers, have a channel or a number of video titles with the words "Flat Earth" in them, and regular argue that the Earth is Flat, then what else should I take them to be?    Dog-groomers?  Telephone hygienists?

They openly state what they want to be known as, and regularly argue as such, so why would I take them for anything else?


Here's a suggestion: if you want to ask those people about their alleged views, and debate their beliefs, perhaps you should consider asking them, not us? I'm not too fussed about you wasting your time on this, but you're also wasting ours, and that's not great.

I'm not asking you anything about them. I didn't ask you or anyone else anything about them above. 

I'm already active over there. I don't need to be told whether or not I should, or want, to engage with them.

Regicide said "Many Flat Earthers", xasop asked for the source for this, and I suggested that it could be read as I stated above, that the "many" includes numbers outwith your group here. 

I didn't ask you or anyone else anything about it.


I realise full well you folks want to be seen as a breed apart from the "run-of-the-mill flat-earthers" that inhabit YouTube and other places, but you might just have to accept that in the eyes of the general populace, you're all one generic group ....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Something odd about magnets
« on: August 26, 2021, 09:31:25 AM »
Many Flat Earthers reject the existence of gravity because they don’t believe that there can be an invisible force- they ask for someone, anyone, to show them gravity.
Do they? Do you have a source for this?

You didn't ask me, but;

YouTube is a beanfeast of Flat-Earthers who deny the existence of gravity. I can show you them if you really want me to.

For "many FEers" in the above quote, you could read "many FEers outwith this small subset at TFES"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 25, 2021, 02:11:01 PM »
They eschew alcohol, tobacco, porn, and drugs.  ...  Those are things historically considered to be degenerate.

Remind us all, what was Jesus' miracle at Cana ???

Turning the water into wine, or the wine into water?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Need Help - Blurry Picture posts
« on: August 20, 2021, 11:00:04 AM »
I would suggest you post them anyway.

If the source pic is clear, anyone who wants to see the detail can right-click on the image in the thread, select "Copy image address" from the pop-up menu, and open a new tab with that URL to browse the image directly.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 14, 2021, 11:14:15 PM »
So you begin a rigorous recruitment process from the air force to find the absolute best of the best ... and you pick 3 guys who don't like communicating?

Michael Collins covers this in his biography; in the main, they were recruited from a pool of test pilots.

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we weren't trained to emote, we were trained to repress our emotions, lest they interfere with our duties. If they wanted an emotional press conference, they should have assembled an Apollo 11 crew from a philosopher, Priest and a poet - not three test pilots.
 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 10, 2021, 09:37:06 AM »
I have no problem with the 'space' part.

Hmmm.

Just yesterday, you said "I don't trust anything they say. ", so ... unless this is some attempt at humour ("There's space between their ears"), you don't seem able to make up your mind.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 10:26:55 PM »
No, not just NASA. There's a lot of creeps out there grifting their asses off.

Are you going to provide any proof of this, or are we expected to just take your word for it?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:52:15 PM »
NASA's pictures are clearly paintings as they depict things which are impossible. Sorry.

Just NASA's?

What about Roscosmos, ESA, JAXA, and all the others?

SpaceX, Astra .... even Red Bull.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:40:22 PM »
I don't trust anything they say. Whatever it is they've said, I don't trust it. I think they lie about everything in order to keep us paying them billions of dollars. They're a demonic bunch of grifters if you ask me.

This is just same old, same old unsubstantiated mud-slinging. "FE Nouveaux" as Pete called it.

NASA is the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

Is it just the "space" part you disbelieve, or do you reckon they're pulling the wool over your eyes in aeronautics too?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:24:50 PM »
I'd love to hear what the MyPillow employees think about this.

How would you feel if you were working there, and every time you turn on the news, the CEO isn't running the company, isn't promoting the company, doesn't seem to be doing anything connected with the company......?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:14:33 PM »
See, this is always the problem with RE zealots - they are oh-so-keen to disprove their own imagination of what FET is, in the absence of actually understanding what they're so confidently opposing.

Rebuttal;

In this very thread, we have the FE-er who repeats the tired old line of NASA pictures being "paintings". Straight out of the Eric Dubay/Beyond the Imaginary Curve/Flatzoid FE (FE Nouveaux?) script of stock YouTuber responses.

NASA guy says that some of their work is composites, with a full images assembled from component photographs, and this is somehow conflated to all NASA images being "paintings". There's some over-active imagining here, too....

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 09:08:03 PM »
They're paintings. The ones of the wall are photos.

Not a painting;



Nor this;



Nor this;



There's thousands more from various angles at

https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm new here! A bunch of generic questions?
« on: August 09, 2021, 02:16:30 PM »
Google's full of pictures of the ice wall, watchatalkinabout?

It's also full of pictures showing a globe, taken from various sources. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 01:52:04 PM »
I believe he sent up balloon rockets called 'rockoons'.

In the early 1950s, which were reaching a height of around 122km. This was the initial phase of his work.

The inner VAB starts around 1,000km. So he had to place his equipment aboard military, at first, and later NASA rocketry to achieve these heights, in the later phase of his work. You're quoting stuff from the early phases as if it were final and conclusive. It wasn't.

His findings as provided to NASA were quoted above, and as you can see, he was of the opinion that the risks from VAB exposure were minimal.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 01:18:28 PM »
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He didn't send his own rockets up.

How do you think the equipment got into the belts, other than by sending rockets into them?

He was working with a university I thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_3

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 01:09:55 PM »
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OK, you accept that NASA sent up the Explorer rockets with Van Allen's equipment in the first place, but disbelieve them when they state what was actually measured during the Apollo missions.

No, I don't believe I do. I thought Dr. Van Allen was working independently.

He didn't send his own rockets up.

How do you think the equipment got into the belts, other than by sending rockets into them?

You said the geiger counter overloaded. What do you think was carrying the geiger counter into that region of the belts?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing
« on: August 09, 2021, 12:39:13 PM »
We're talking the sort of radiation that at the very least would have you spewing all over the controls in the CM. Certainly enough that would fry you very quickly.

'Our measurements show that the maximum radiation level as of 1958 is equivalent to between 10 and 100 roentgens per hour, depending on the still undetermined proportion of protons to electrons. Since a human being exposed for two days to even 10 roentgens would have only an even chance of survival, the radiation belts obviously present an obstacle to space flight' James Van Allen

OK, you accept that NASA sent up the Explorer rockets with Van Allen's equipment in the first place, but disbelieve them when they state what was actually measured during the Apollo missions.

And then you quote from Van Allen's preliminary work, from 11 years before Apollo 11; as if things weren't further quantified after that.... you quoted him from 1958, and

"The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage – a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights. I made such estimates in the early 1960s and so informed NASA engineers who were planning the Apollo flights. These estimates are still reliable.""

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Here is a meme for you:

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Droll, routinely trotted out in all seriousness by flatties on YouTube, but without a relevant point.

It's got nothing to do with the American Government, and even less to do with NASA.

First modern-day measures to determine the circumference of the Earth and set us on the way to accurate mapping for navigation were done by an Englishman and a group of French, in the 1600s and 1700s. The USA barely had a functional govt at this time.

Prior to this, the Romans and others had already figured it out, just with less accuracy. 

When discussions took place to decide on a Prime Meridian for standardised timekeeping and navigation, the British and French argued between London and Paris, and the American rep simply fell into line with what had been used the most up until then; hence the Greenwich Meridian is zero degrees longitude, not Paris.

All this was done hundreds of years before NASA was even a thought in the American Govt's collective mind.

And who achieved the first orbital flight? The USSR. First man in space, first woman in space, first animal in space? USSR.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: On gravity and the solar system.
« on: August 08, 2021, 01:53:27 PM »
To Mr. Tumeni

I understand that perhaps you didn't want to take the time to read my post

Yes, because I was replying directly to someone else's comment. I quoted who and what I was replying to. I was addressing their point, not the whole of your post.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: On gravity and the solar system.
« on: August 08, 2021, 08:35:01 AM »
If it were as they say, then the entire thing could be rendered visually via a computer monitor or hologram, utilizing the values required to do so.

Of course, since it cannot ...

The absence of anyone doing this, or attempting it, only to your knowledge, is not, of itself, a proof of impossibility.

However;

Here's our solar system, in profile, to scale;

https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

Here's an orrery of our solar system, also to scale;

https://in-the-sky.org/solarsystem.php

Here's how to make a model;

https://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/solar_system/

Looks like it can.

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