The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: Magicalus on December 06, 2022, 05:32:18 PM
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I was wondering because in RE, the explanation is (somewhat) simple: the Coriolis effect, created by the spinning of the Earth, spins molten metal near the earth's core. Quite a bit of this metal is magnetic, such as iron, and creates one strong field with the magnetic poles roughly near the geographic poles. This theory also explains why the poles flip every so often; the fields are aligned on the axis, but not in a specific direction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD6bPNZRRbQ
This is a CGP Grey video about runway numbers. At from 8:36 onwards, he explains this model. I can grab more sources about it, but he does a great job explaining the RE version.
But here's my question: I've seen a lot of discussion on the boards about the poles, and using compasses to track position on planes, and the magnetic field bending light, but I've yet to find the FE justification for why the poles exist. The wiki does explain how it lines up with observation, due to ring magnets, but not why it's there. Do y'all have an explanation?
(Title edited for clarity)
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I don't really understand your question... Why do magnets have poles?
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I don't really understand your question... Why do magnets have poles?
Let me rephrase: We know why the earth is a magnet in RE, why is it a magnet in FE?
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It's the same process as round Earth I assume except it's a flat disc magnet. Lava, dynamos, all that stuff I don't understand and have no reason to question.
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It's the same process as round Earth I assume except it's a flat disc magnet. Lava, dynamos, all that stuff I don't understand and have no reason to question.
The problem is that it can't be the same as round Earth, because in RE, it's cause by phenomenon that only apply to RE. Things like the Coriolis effect occurring throughout the entire planet, if at all. The RE explanation isn't applicable with FE, because as far as I can tell the Coriolis effect isn't even a thing in (this chapter of) FE theory.
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I don't fully understand how magnetism is generated in this way, but I think the Earth spins the same as in RE anyway so.. Am I off the hook?
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I don't fully understand how magnetism is generated in this way, but I think the Earth spins the same as in RE anyway so.. Am I off the hook?
No, because there's another problem at play here: you can't radially magnetize a disc, cylinder, or any other solid circular magnet. It can only be diametric (along the diameter), or axial (through the center). The wiki claims that the earth is, but that's not possible, unless we've all missed a giant hole at the north pole. Neither the mono or bipolar models work because of this.
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Here's a source for that previous post:
https://www.magnet-sdm.com/radially-magnetized-magnet/ (https://www.magnet-sdm.com/radially-magnetized-magnet/)
This is from a magnet manufacturer.
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I think the earth is an Axial Disc Magnet... Here is a picture... I can't really speak about a Ring Magnet setup..
(https://i.imgur.com/3mNDdsY.png)
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So ... when someone on this disc travels to the North Pole, they're also travelling to the South Pole as well?
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I think the earth is an Axial Disc Magnet... Here is a picture... I can't really speak about a Ring Magnet setup..
(https://i.imgur.com/TxvyuCN.png)
But in the left model, a compass wouldn't work, because both poles of the compass' magnets would be pulled towards the (geographic) north pole, thus resulting in a compass that points east-west (or vice versa) when you face north. I assume the right one is meant to be the round earth version.
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Okay, so when you go to the south pole, you are not also going to north pole because that is located beneath Earth on the other side.
So a compass will only respond to the polarity of a magnet near your location.
And I understand why you think the bar magnet is upside down but it's not. When we say "magnetic" north or south pole it can mean two different things. The location of vertical magnetic field lines that is near the geographic north and south pole OR
The actual polarity of the south pole's location which is north. Magnetic field lines always exit from the north end of a magnet and enter at the south Pole. So you see why the bar magnet is flipped on the FE and RE pictures above? It's unfair how confusing it is but below is a swift article explaining the situation.
https://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/11/15/why-does-a-magnetic-compass-point-to-the-geographic-north-pole/
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Okay, so when you go to the south pole, you are not also going to north pole because that is located beneath Earth on the other side.
So a compass will only respond to the polarity of a magnet near your location.
No. A compass is attracted to both the north and south pole, because it's a magnet. If these poles are both in the same place, then it will be attracted to both equally.
Here's why: take a look at this image.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.YFJQzyfePLgaZ1PaCWf90gAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=d54a1d6ff26350478f0a1c990cfb8c60ff5798918ecdca7c2ad2f4f63ea38dbd&ipo=images)
The compass in the middle is pointing both ways, with the north pole of the compass facing the south pole of the bar magnet. Now, if we rotate the magnet 90 degrees to be vertical, the compass will change direction unpredictably; it might follow the north pole or the south pole. But once the magnet is vertical, the compass is equally attracted to both poles again, so it balances back out to pointing east-west.
There is a much simpler problem though; if you buy an unweighted compass(they weight them for accuracy reason to due with latitude) and hold it vertically in the southern hemisphere, the southern end points down. In your model, we would expect the opposite, because the North pole is upwards. This happens in RE because the magnetic pole is technically through the earth.
(Edited after confirmation of south pole map from Tron, also to add clarity)
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Okay, so when you go to the south pole, you are not also going to north pole because that is located beneath Earth on the other side.
So ... when people travel to the South Pole, they go BENEATH the flat earth? On the "other" side?
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Okay, so when you go to the south pole, you are not also going to north pole because that is located beneath Earth on the other side.
So ... when people travel to the South Pole, they go BENEATH the flat earth? On the "other" side?
This isn't hard... The opposite poles of a flat or spherical earth are located at the opposite ends of there axis of rotation.... There right beneath one another, seperated by earth of course.
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Okay, so when you go to the south pole, you are not also going to north pole because that is located beneath Earth on the other side.
So ... when people travel to the South Pole, they go BENEATH the flat earth? On the "other" side?
This isn't hard... The opposite poles of a flat or spherical earth are located at the opposite ends of there axis of rotation.... There right beneath one another, seperated by earth of course.
Yeah, so if someone travels to the North Pole, and stands directly upon it, how would you suggest they then travel to the South Pole? It's below the North Pole, I get that. On a globe, you simply follow a meridian until you've travelled 180 degrees around the circumference, and find yourself at an antipodal point to where you started.
Where do you go on this flat disc to reach the South Pole?
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The picture has what you need... Just draw a line from south pole around Earth (meridian or w/e) and to the north pole...
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The picture has what you need... Just draw a line from south pole around Earth (meridian or w/e) and to the north pole...
Not what I asked.
If you're at the North Pole in your left-hand diagram, by what method do you actually travel to the South Pole.
You've told me that you can, in theory, draw a line from the South Pole to the North Pole, but I didn't ask by what method you draw lines.
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I don't fully understand how magnetism is generated in this way, but I think the Earth spins the same as in RE anyway so.. Am I off the hook?
I'd like to come back to this comment for a sec here: I have never seen anyone else in the FE community posit that a flat Earth is spinning constantly. I'd love to hear more about this. (Seriously, I'm not shitting on you here.) How does this work? Is the sun stationary in this model? Does this model use the sun-spotlight model, the flat Earth in a universe of spheres, or another model? I want to hear about this new branch of FE! (Admittedly, partially so I can critique it.)
As to how this works magnetically, good news! This would indeed work with your axially magnetized model. Bad news is, I still have some hanging critiques about that model. I await your rebuttal of those critiques.
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Okay, to answer your questions from before - yes, it's a south centered AE map with Antarctica at the center. Even though they say Anarctica is where the geographic and magnetic south pole is it is not. The polarity of Antarctica is North with upward moving magnetic field lines as illustrated in the picture above.
To quickly sum up the model here, the sun is stationary. Earth tilts towards the sun just like the Round Earth model. But instead of Earth orbitting the sun, it also sits stationary beneath the sun and wobbles once a year to account for seasonal and celestial visual changes. It's not a spot light sun, it just hovers near Earth like all the other planets but uses the Earths atmosphere to divide the light into night and day. And our Earthly solar system I think is simply a small Galaxy orbitting the Milky Way.
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Okay, to answer your questions from before - yes, it's a south centered AE map with Antarctica at the center. Even though they say Anarctica is where the geographic and magnetic south pole is it is not. The polarity of Antarctica is North with upward moving magnetic field lines as illustrated in the picture above.
To quickly sum up the model here, the sun is stationary. Earth tilts towards the sun just like the Round Earth model. But instead of Earth orbitting the sun, it also sits stationary beneath the sun and wobbles once a year to account for seasonal and celestial visual changes. It's not a spot light sun, it just hovers near Earth like all the other planets but uses the Earths atmosphere to divide the light into night and day. And our Earthly solar system I think is simply a small Galaxy orbitting the Milky Way.
How does the atmosphere know how to divide the light? And where is the north pole again? Underneath the disk?
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Its just an optical property of the atmosphere (imo)...
I updated the Magnet Picture below...
The north pole as we know it on a spherical world (90'N Latitude) would be on the underside of a flat earth below the south pole / Antarctica. Imagine your standing at the north pole on a spherical earth and the world is squished a little into a disc shape. The south pole would still be beneath your feet on the other side of the world. The only difference is that on a flat world we would only live in one particular hemisphere, or one side of earth, but the magnetic lines do dip under.
(https://i.imgur.com/3mNDdsY.png)
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The problem is that it can't be the same as round Earth, because in RE, it's cause by phenomenon that only apply to RE. Things like the Coriolis effect occurring throughout the entire planet, if at all. The RE explanation isn't applicable with FE, because as far as I can tell the Coriolis effect isn't even a thing in (this chapter of) FE theory.
Exactly.
Earth's magnetic field is generated by what is known as the geodynamo process. According to National Geographic(opens in new tab), for a planet to generate its own magnetic field by the geodynamo process, it must have the following characteristics:
The planet rotates fast enough
Its interior must have a fluid medium
The interior fluid must have the ability to conduct electricity
The core must have an internal source of energy that propels convection currents in the liquid interior
https://www.space.com/earths-magnetic-field-explained
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I need some more info before my next rebuttal:
Tron, How thick would you say this flat Earth is? (I don't need precision here, just give me a rough idea.) To get it out of the way, if you think the Kola Superdeep Borehole really happened, it has to be at least 12 km.
Also, in your model, do we pass over the edge to get to the other hemisphere?
And finally, do you have a rebuttal to my magnet points? These ones:
Okay, so when you go to the south pole, you are not also going to north pole because that is located beneath Earth on the other side.
So a compass will only respond to the polarity of a magnet near your location.
No. A compass is attracted to both the north and south pole, because it's a magnet. If these poles are both in the same place, then it will be attracted to both equally.
Here's why: take a look at this image.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.YFJQzyfePLgaZ1PaCWf90gAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=d54a1d6ff26350478f0a1c990cfb8c60ff5798918ecdca7c2ad2f4f63ea38dbd&ipo=images)
The compass in the middle is pointing both ways, with the north pole of the compass facing the south pole of the bar magnet. Now, if we rotate the magnet 90 degrees to be vertical, the compass will change direction unpredictably; it might follow the north pole or the south pole. But once the magnet is vertical, the compass is equally attracted to both poles again, so it balances back out to pointing east-west.
There is a much simpler problem though; if you buy an unweighted compass(they weight them for accuracy reason to due with latitude) and hold it vertically in the southern hemisphere, the southern end points down. In your model, we would expect the opposite, because the North pole is upwards. This happens in RE because the magnetic pole is technically through the earth.
(Edited after confirmation of south pole map from Tron, also to add clarity)
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I need some more info before my next rebuttal:
Tron, How thick would you say this flat Earth is? No Idea (I don't need precision here, just give me a rough idea.) Maybe a quarter of the earth's diameter?To get it out of the way, if you think the Kola Superdeep Borehole really happened, it has to be at least 12 km.
Also, in your model, do we pass over the edge to get to the other hemisphere? Yes
And finally, do you have a rebuttal to my magnet points? These ones:
Okay, so when you go to the south pole, you are not also going to north pole because that is located beneath Earth on the other side.
So a compass will only respond to the polarity of a magnet near your location.
No. A compass is attracted to both the north and south pole, because it's a magnet. If these poles are both in the same place, then it will be attracted to both equally. Why do you think the poles are in the same place? When you go to the north pole on a round earth is a compass attracted by the south pole as well? Look at the picture I made... The poles on are opposite sides of the earth, just like on a spherical earth.
Here's why: take a look at this image.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.YFJQzyfePLgaZ1PaCWf90gAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=d54a1d6ff26350478f0a1c990cfb8c60ff5798918ecdca7c2ad2f4f63ea38dbd&ipo=images)
The compass in the middle is pointing both ways, with the north pole of the compass facing the south pole of the bar magnet. Now, if we rotate the magnet 90 degrees to be vertical, the compass will change direction unpredictably; it might follow the north pole or the south pole. But once the magnet is vertical, the compass is equally attracted to both poles again, so it balances back out to pointing east-west.
There is a much simpler problem though; if you buy an unweighted compass(they weight them for accuracy reason to due with latitude) and hold it vertically in the southern hemisphere, the southern end points down. In your model, we would expect the opposite, because the North pole is upwards. This happens in RE because the magnetic pole is technically through the earth. A magnetic disc works the same as a spherical magnet as far as i can see... If you go to the north end of a sphere or a disk, then the south end of a compass will point down. And viceversa for the south side of a magnet
(Edited after confirmation of south pole map from Tron, also to add clarity)
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.... t on a flat world we would only live in one particular hemisphere, or one side of earth
A hemisphere is half of a sphere. One side of your flat earth is a disc. A circle enclosed by a plane. You cannot have hemispheres on a flat earth. Geometrically impossible. You need to have a sphere in order to divide it into two hemispheres.
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Its just an optical property of the atmosphere (imo)...
I understand that it would be an optical property. But how does the optical property know when to predictably switch day for night for all points on earth? In other words, how does the property work?
I updated the Magnet Picture below...
The north pole as we know it on a spherical world (90'N Latitude) would be on the underside of a flat earth below the south pole / Antarctica. Imagine your standing at the north pole on a spherical earth and the world is squished a little into a disc shape. The south pole would still be beneath your feet on the other side of the world. The only difference is that on a flat world we would only live in one particular hemisphere, or one side of earth, but the magnetic lines do dip under.
(https://i.imgur.com/3mNDdsY.png)
How do people get to the North Pole if it's on the underside of the disk? Many people have been there and many a plane have flown over it. How did they pull that off?
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Stack, the atmosphere is like my unpopular glass dome experiments where I show you how a source of light which mimics the sun, can hit class at a certain angle and represent the amount of light people see on earth if it were flat... Remember the earth spins and wobbles which scatter light in different directions.
And for your second question, not many people have been to the north pole. I'm aware of a few skiers, a motorcyclist, a cruise ship, and some science expedition's who have been there... And that's not even the edge of the world in my opinion. And even if a person descided to travel farther and farther in a particular direction which is near the edge of the world, I'm told the air is so thin that planes can't get there and probably any other machine or human that I know of.
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I'm told the air is so thin that planes can't get there and probably any other machine or human that I know of.
By whom?
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And for your second question, not many people have been to the north pole. I'm aware of a few skiers, a motorcyclist, a cruise ship, and some science expedition's who have been there... And that's not even the edge of the world in my opinion. And even if a person descided to travel farther and farther in a particular direction which is near the edge of the world, I'm told the air is so thin that planes can't get there and probably any other machine or human that I know of.
So, if only one person had been to the North Pole, then someone's been there. But of course, hundreds of people have been there. Motorcyclists? Probably, they are a hardy and impetuous bunch. Cruise ship? Don't think so, due to the permanent presence of pack ice. Skiers and scientists? Definitely. You forgot to mention Sir Michael Palin; author, traveller and parrot-sketch participant (check out his book and TV series "Pole to Pole". And what about the daily overflights by international airlines? For instance, look at Finnair A.350 OH-LWO; left Seoul at 23.24 tonight, flew northeast across the Bering Sea around Russia then almost due north heading across the pole to Helsinki. Check it out on FR24.
(edit) And, yes, the thin air thing. By whom?
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Stack, the atmosphere is like my unpopular glass dome experiments where I show you how a source of light which mimics the sun, can hit class at a certain angle and represent the amount of light people see on earth if it were flat... Remember the earth spins and wobbles which scatter light in different directions.
Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot about the rotating disk. A rarity among FEr's from what I've seen. Is the sun stationary or does it move too?
One of the reasons your "dome" experiments are controversial is because they are not "dome" experiments. They are
"paperweight" experiments. Meaning you used a hunk of solid glass, not a hollowed out dome, like an upside down glass bowl. Your experiment/model would crush everything and everyone on earth.
And for your second question, not many people have been to the north pole. I'm aware of a few skiers, a motorcyclist, a cruise ship, and some science expedition's who have been there... And that's not even the edge of the world in my opinion. And even if a person descided to travel farther and farther in a particular direction which is near the edge of the world, I'm told the air is so thin that planes can't get there and probably any other machine or human that I know of.
For $31k you can take a 2 week excursion to the north pole on a luxury ice-breaker with helicopter tours and polar bear sightings.
Visiting The North Pole (https://www.swoop-arctic.com/north-pole#trips-to-the-north-pole)
(https://i.imgur.com/a4u1liE.png)(https://i.imgur.com/6Jd1BJn.png)(https://i.imgur.com/aWukDJh.png)
(https://swoop-arctic.imgix.net/How-do-I-get-to-the-North-Pole.jpg?auto=format,enhance,compress&fit=crop&crop=entropy,faces,focalpoint&q=90)
Are these people on the underside of the disk? If so, how did they flip down to get there?
And who exactly told you the air is thin somewhere around there? And why would that be anyway?
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So, I have a new problem with your model, that has to do with a double sided Earth having any thickness; you posit that what we recognize as hemispheres are the two sides of the flat earth, with the equator on the rim. Here's the problem: that means there must be a ton of land on the rim, and thus a large area both on and off the rim where you would expect to see the earth curve (relatively) sharply downward, with no horizon. You estimate the earth to have a thickness of about 1/4 the flat earth's circumference. Turns out, I didn't need that estimate, because no estimate works. If the Earth is thin, there isn't be enough iron in the earth's core to create the magnetic field, plus the view on the rim would be incredibly peculiar, with ground sharply dropping off before the horizon, even on the equator. If the earth is thick, then much more land is on the rim.
That's a problem for one big reasons: measurements. I know that this chapter of FE doesn't trust all the measurements we get for the world, especially at sea, but this would take it to a whole new level. The thinner the rim is, the less land is on it, so it works. But as previously mentioned, this would lead to perspective issues. But if it's thicker, than the circumference of the earth shrinks, because the contiguous landmasses over the equator mean that we can't fudge it: there's less surface area on the disk part. If you DID fudge it, and you would have to fudge it pretty heavily for this to work, than measurements on land, which can be verified much more easily, would be so incredibly far off it would be impossible to keep under wraps. So, the circumference logically must shrink.
But if the circumference shrinks, that brings up all kinds of new and exciting issues with the landmasses near the equator. See, the circumference of the cylinder would be in line with measurements for things near the edge of the rim. As you get farther though, things start shrinking fast. Think about it; the landmasses near the equator would have to be much smaller, because they now have less latitude to work with than in both the globe model and most FE models. Once again, though measurements can be fudged, this would take a LOT of fudging.
And isn't the whole reason FE doesn't have one conclusive model because none of them line up with measurements?
Oh, and the good ol' Coriolis effect has come back once more! See, this effect just wouldn't work on the rim. like, at all.
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Duncan - I admit, I do not understand why planes think they are going north on a flat earth when I assume they are travelling east or west to cicumnavigate the arctic regions...
I do notice the live tracking of north polar flights is cut off from the internet ... Any idea why? What technology are they using?
And I'd prefer to keep my "sources" of why the air get's thinner near the poles or beyond them.... but this is already a phenomenon we observe up there.
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Stack, I've never said Earth is a hollowed out Dome..
Here is a quote from Enyclopedia Britannica:
The total mass of Earth’s atmosphere is about 5.5 quadrillion tons, or roughly one millionth of Earth’s mass.
That's alot of atmospheric mass even when compared to Earth. To say it's not possible for air to affect the way we see objects on or away from Earth is unfair.
https://www.britannica.com/story/how-much-does-earths-atmosphere-weigh
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you posit that what we recognize as hemispheres are the two sides of the flat earth, with the equator on the rim.[/b]
That's not what I believe. I believe in a conventional South Pole centered AE map with a few alterations...
The point i was trying to make earlier is that you can think of a flat earth like a round earth when it comes to magnetism.... The magnetic field lines of each model lie along the axis of rotation.
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Here is a quote from Enyclopedia Britannica:
The total mass of Earth’s atmosphere is about 5.5 quadrillion tons, or roughly one millionth of Earth’s mass.
Here's another;
Since the Copernican revolution of the 16th century, at which time the Polish astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus proposed a Sun-centred model of the universe (see heliocentric system), enlightened thinkers have regarded Earth as a planet like the others of the solar system. Concurrent sea voyages provided practical proof that Earth is a globe, just as Galileo’s use of his newly invented telescope in the early 17th century soon showed various other planets to be globes as well. It was only after the dawn of the space age, however, when photographs from rockets and orbiting spacecraft first captured the dramatic curvature of Earth’s horizon, that the conception of Earth as a roughly spherical planet rather than as a flat entity was verified by direct human observation. Humans first witnessed Earth as a complete orb floating in the inky blackness of space in December 1968 when Apollo 8 carried astronauts around the Moon. Robotic space probes on their way to destinations beyond Earth, such as the Galileo and the Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR) spacecraft in the 1990s, also looked back with their cameras to provide other unique portraits of the planet.
Is the EB to be relied upon?
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... the atmosphere is like my unpopular glass dome experiments where I show you how ...
Proof please, of the likenesses between the two.
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Evidence that the atmosphere is shaped like a dome is in its ability to explain everyday observations like sunsets and star trails from a flat earth perspective.
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Evidence that the atmosphere is shaped like a dome is in its ability to explain everyday observations like sunsets and star trails from a flat earth perspective.
Atmo-SPHERE.
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Atmo-Semi Sphere!
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The point i was trying to make earlier is that you can think of a flat earth like a round earth when it comes to magnetism.... The magnetic field lines of each model lie along the axis of rotation.
And in both cases, the magnetic field lines would result in matter being compressed into roughly a sphere shape.
(https://i.imgur.com/IHCrz0c.png)
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Evidence that the atmosphere is shaped like a dome is in its ability to explain everyday observations like sunsets and star trails from a flat earth perspective.
Wait, so the atmosphere's a dome? But your model is double sided! The only way THAT works is if there are two domes, or just a spherical atmosphere. Either way, you now have a new problem to address: How does the atmosphere work at all on the rim? Air isn't thinner near the equator, yet it would have to be in this model, because the domes don't reach it. Even if you use the sphere theory, there would still be less air around the rim, and air would constantly get thinner as you moved away from the pole until you hit the rim.
. you posit that what we recognize as hemispheres are the two sides of the flat earth, with the equator on the rim.[/b]
That's not what I believe. I believe in a conventional South Pole centered AE map with a few alterations...
The point i was trying to make earlier is that you can think of a flat earth like a round earth when it comes to magnetism.... The magnetic field lines of each model lie along the axis of rotation.
BS. You said this:
The north pole as we know it on a spherical world (90'N Latitude) would be on the underside of a flat earth below the south pole / Antarctica. Imagine your standing at the north pole on a spherical earth and the world is squished a little into a disc shape. The south pole would still be beneath your feet on the other side of the world. The only difference is that on a flat world we would only live in one particular hemisphere, or one side of earth, but the magnetic lines do dip under.
(https://i.imgur.com/3mNDdsY.png)
If you had just mentioned poles I'd ignore it, but you mentioned living on one flattened hemisphere of the earth. That goes from an analogy to a new theory, which, as I've shown, doesn't work. And if the hemispheres are on opposite sides, then the equator must be on the rim.
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Magicalus- I suppose the "new" equator on a flat earth would be the earth's edge if the term "equator" is used to delineate the middle of two sides or two poles of an object...
The term "hemisphere" is wrong on a FE but it is useful for mapping purposes.
Maybe the atmosphere is a big sphere wrapping around earth... I don't know. For now "Dome" can at least describe what we see on this side of earth.
I don't know what the atmosphere is like at the edge of the world other then icy cold as it spins against space.
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Stack, I've never said Earth is a hollowed out Dome..
I know and I didn't mean to imply that. Yours is a dome over a disk. A disk that is earth. What I was addressing is that your experiments didn't use a "dome" they used a solid hunk of glass. There is quite a difference.
To say it's not possible for air to affect the way we see objects on or away from Earth is unfair.
I never said the atmosphere has no affect on observations - Not sure where that is coming from.
Where is the sun in your model?
In any case, how do all those people who visit the North Pole flip down to the underside of the earth? How does that work?
And when you say, "but this is already a phenomenon we observe up there", you don't have to name the "we", but it would be helpful if you explained how you made that observation and where is "up there"?
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I think the earth is an Axial Disc Magnet... Here is a picture... I can't really speak about a Ring Magnet setup..
(https://i.imgur.com/TxvyuCN.png)
But in the left model, a compass wouldn't work, because both poles of the compass' magnets would be pulled towards the (geographic) north pole, thus resulting in a compass that points east-west (or vice versa) when you face north. I assume the right one is meant to be the round earth version.
Check the attachment, this is a real magnet
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Y'know, you never addressed a pretty big issue with this model: the compass points are pulled to the same point. You refuted this by saying that the poles are far away, [like in the round Earth model, but they aren't. The lack of thickness of the Earth means that the poles are incredibly close to each other, and from ground level you would be standing incredibly close to the center of this metaphorical bar magnet, unlike what happens with a globe. On this model, compasses do not work.
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I think the earth is an Axial Disc Magnet... Here is a picture... I can't really speak about a Ring Magnet setup..
(https://i.imgur.com/TxvyuCN.png)
But in the left model, a compass wouldn't work, because both poles of the compass' magnets would be pulled towards the (geographic) north pole, thus resulting in a compass that points east-west (or vice versa) when you face north. I assume the right one is meant to be the round earth version.
Check the attachment, this is a real magnet
The ring magnet was clever but it can't work in this application. The hole in the middle would have to allow enough space so the N polarities wouldn't interact. Two north ends force themselves apart. You'd have a hole in the field at the north pole where compasses would point away from the geographic pole.