[FlatDesigner]

Argument isn't a word can be described as "Best" or "Nice" or with any adverb if the subject related with "Any" Science.. This is my opinion..
There can only be told some bunch of ideas related eachother to describe this situation which is this too much Diverse!, Weird!.

I looked for to talk about and learn about In which State of Conciusness of Mind, A Flat Earther start to search on the idea..
Since I was in a state, a month ago, I found mself saying" Oh it may be true"

I studied Chemistry for 3 years in a University, I dropped out Because of calculus..
I Had the best score in High school out of 500 students.. Now I am 48 years old.. I learned Quantum Mechanics..
I have lots of science materials in my memory. Also i knew quite lots of knowledge about Astronomy.. Yeah mostly they are popular science,
since i have been working on drawing and illustration last 20 years..But following scientific research and ideas, just i like them..

But the idea of the Earth is flat shooted me deeply, in the middle of my mind, just in a couple of hours of watching videos, alone, in a middle of a night,
without talking to any people even through internet, just like watching a horror movie and so on..

I am really maybe unnecessarily open minded person.. Maybe little bit dreamer.. Introvert, but quite friendly with my work friends and sometimes talkative..

Most important thing is for me to be honest to myself first. Then Anyone can be honest to others.

Modern sicence is just like the other professions, have their own rules. Have its own society.. And I think Flat Earthers tries to have their Rules first,
Just like Modern Scientist, They have the right to make their own Rules and society.. This is so natural..But difficult,
Since the professional work life, depend on money, and the people don't want to loose their chairs easily.. This is one side of the situation of Arguments on the Subject..

The situation of Flat Earth debate reveals last 2 years around ( again.. they say, i learned frm videos in last month ) .. Even true or not.. Maybe not enough people yet  

I think, In Arguing side, There must some point just in the middle, A flat earther should not be aggresive first, since there is nothing to loose..

My idea is that on the Theory, "Firstly i am to tell, I am neither Flat Earther or Globe Earther"

I am especially very keen on the idea "There must a real reason in the Universe exactly pointing HumanKind in these years, 
And the Flat Earth Theory is focusing so hardly.. It should be contionusly searched..

It is really strange, "Why This Much Big Issue can not be proven
easily with improved technology and clarify to everybody? Even knowing science or not? Or even rejecting Modern Science, no matter.

Secondly The Limited conditions obeying The Earth Size which is just in the limit of Human Visualization, with improving technology"
even you go up to observe it in the Orbiting area.. Iss can not take the whole Photo in one picture,
since it should go further away.. (So it can be Argued)..

Old Earth Globe Photos have diffrent styles.. Maybe due the technical changes in photography ?? (So it can be Argued on both side)

I watched almost all of the videos in Youtube, and also Searched about Zetetic Science just to understand I there is something missing in modern science..

Yes there is maybe, Since I know how to put an Hypothesis and what comes next and next.. Theoritical Science mostly rely on facts of Experimental one, the one just itself can not prooved experimentaly sometimes..
So it is easily can be seen as Fictious Sience.. The ones having deeply konowledge on them can be argued as it is not..
But one can tell how long will take to make theories without real experiments.. On the other side Michio Kaku and his firends needs also money for the big Hadron collider..
I am not sure they do garbage if one says, since the Creation tells humankind "go through inside me with your imagine and senses first, then you can prove and understand me.. I think God befly tells us this way..
God somehow created the way of thinking like this.. Or Atheism Says We think tehere s Got.. Maybe it is mutual someting..We have two sides of brain, one is to sense, other is to count.. First you sense something
then you can prove by measuring.. It is not simultanous.. Earth shape is just like this way.. You feel flat when walk, Then you fly, If it is still flat,
then you should go enough far to see the reality.. There is no way to proof if there are too many conflict on the theories.. Like refraction of light or anything.. Like in Indonessians Lence experiment of shadows.. 
 
Modern Science says, reaching reality can only be done putting some reliable constants, such as working in technology or in daily life.. For example gravity is a constant..
An mechanic engineers needs it calculating even designing a car engine.. If the constant works, then it is real, Because we produce working cars.. But it maybe in Earth conditions??..
So we comeback to same question, Is Space is real? ... It is so big question, one can say even it is not worth to ask it, since we know yes it is..

I think, I am not the one I can think of these questions more.. One reason is, my mind is really blocked thinking on Flat Earth too much..
The other reason is I have no profession and oppotunities working on it.. Thinking freely on a subject is more important, than thinking hard..
Secondly  I have no chance to go space If I have, i really would like to go..
 
I have lot of Arguments on Flat Earth theory but it is not ready in term of visualization.. But important thing is that everybody somehow should think about it without telling
it is silly or stupid..I am on the side of Flat Earthers with this point of View..
With beginnig of 21 century, Modern Science also begins to think on Matrix theory, Chaos Theory, Game Theory and so on..Someone say all these are fictious..
But Human Intension on any subject whom searching on it, should be regarded as a new parameter are told by many scientist, as i know..
If a shoemaker do physic, He does in a different way and maybe more doors open in Physic.. This thoughts are told by many scientist..
So please No Judging people doing their own researches..   

I am not a Flat Earter. But after I watched lots of videos now I am thinking the Globe Earth is maybe still "A Theory" except by the people who had the chance to observe..

Space has expanding they say, the rules and conditions in space surely must be different, Maybe really water inside, I can not refuse this idea or anything,
but "probably" not i am thinking at the moment..

Both theory needs more proof.. For example, Nasa should take real people to ISS..
Maybe with lottery in the world or something. Maybe one day, they really need to proove it to more people.. I think it is not the time yet..

I will follow Flat Eart theory almost everyday for a sometime which i don't know.. I will read but no time to search more, or write..
That's why i tried to wrote my all things now.. ( my native language is not english .. sorry for bad english

If any idea is usefull to any one i would be glad..

My main Question is this :

Dimentional relation of Atmosphere, Orbitting Lenght and the Diameter of Earth, suprisingly are just in the limit of Human Perspective View.. This calls in my mind SkyDome Theory..
Even as a realistic Material, named as Firmament doesn't exist, it does theoritically exists in terms of Human Perception.. So no matter earth is globe from far,
The Earth is Flat for Living Creatures on it..

Skydome theory in religion somehow is Ok for any period of humanity..But the limit is close nowadays maybe..

Saying "Sky is the Limit" can be true somehow in both case..
Revealing of the Real Meanings of Religions is closer or
Like Religions says End of the Humankind Perpective is closer..

In my opinion Creation is something mutual.. But somehow this mutuality can not be observed since we are human as just one eye..  As I understan String theory is closer to this idea..       

In a month, i decided both theory is at the same far for me.. Sometimes one is getting closer, and sometime the other is.. Stay in touch,

I hope the truths are not in the bad intented people, We can only for hope for that as poor people

take care of you all  




   


       

As extensive as this prosy memoir of your generalized thought process seems to be, I see no contribution to the question, is the Earth round or flat to you. Please, you have only introduced yourself. Now move onward.

Flat Earth idea very simple and honest idea if it is not hardly related with so much beliefs.. Best Argument i have heard about is We don't sense "Spinning".. Personally I have no extra Argument about Flat Earth..Just trying to understand what if it would be. Discovering the Shape of Earth is really a milestone in science and should be certainly definite..

Now i am thinking it shouldn't be flat ..But i can say, i am not a believer of Globe Earth.. Only I am thinking as it is Globe..Believing is something bigger than thinking, Both "sensing" and "observing" function simultaneously..

For example ; If there is an event on Earth surface, "not possible to be planned or estimated like meteorological", Simultaneously a video or photograph are taken by satellites from space, then i can surely give up Flat Earth idea..I have no addiction to debate about the shape..I am only trying to search if there were fakes about it.. So I will be happy again with my globe Earth and turn back to my normal life.. If the shape is flat, then I should think different while living.. I am an illustrator, I drew lots of globe earth cartoon.. If they are fakes so what to draw ? Do you understand it?  That's all..

[FlatDesigner]

3d Geek..

As i wrote before my native language is not english, so I have to think really much before i write..

Secondly, I dropped out school since i got Bipolar Disorderness while i am on Quantum Mechanics, Yes i couldn't do Math, but i understand the main idea.. I was really good theoritical chamistry, Starts with Bohr Atom Model, Rutherford experiment, Heisenberg uncertainty principal and so on..

Anyway I got 8 bipolar Attacks on my life, I studied Desing, I am more succesfull on Design, And i am trying to visualize if the Earth is flat.. That's why my Nick is Flat Designer.. I got some points about life with my vawing mind which is perception is the main subject of humanbeing.. Intelligence is not something measurable.. Putting a hypothesis is directly related what you wanna do, with your intension.. I want to "believe" science goes by pure facts. This makes me feeling safe as well, like you.. But if you can not trust your senses, then you are nothing.. I learned this in my life..Otherwise you have to agree what people tells you. In my opininon, Some people should not be managed in the order of daily life problems.. Like Scientist, Doctors and so on.. This don't make them superficial creators, but charged to be neutral on hard ideas ( i hope you complete my words due to lack of english) .. I personally think there are some people who is willing serve the true knowledge and works for people.. The only thing i don'T accept in Flat Earth Debate is to be claiming people as liers an so on... But why there is no time for flat earthers to debate? That's  like any other imaginations, and also very pure and natural for living creators on the surface.. I still need really proof s Of Globe Earth, I can not tell, Earth is Flat as well, It is more far from scinetific results. But I don't know about Zetetic one.. Maybe there are also solutions for mant for this.. But at least i learned to be so much skeptical in science years.. Yeah i seems so much useless on the argument but i can not fly to see the earth from space..

 Gravitional constant of Earth i meant, sorry for it.. I am really far from chemistry years..26 years.. After i read your comments i felt my daily work made me a person directly a emotionlally thinking person.. So I am just leaving honestly to talk about Aguments on the subject.. But i will follow you on the other topics.. Still have no idea about what will come next on Flat Earth Debate? It is so important for me just for personal reasons.. In bipolarity i felt so much strangeness, it is hard to define in anywords..  I walked 40 km out of city in rural area, stayed at night, lots of dogs around me , really bad days. I didn't believe earth is like we know...I have to learn if it is flat or not just to be in peace.. thank you, you read my all complex things.. I am trying to convince ideas somehow.. Not stating something.. Just feelings mostly.. I have really an idea what world would be indeed but i need time to visuallize.. Otherwise it is going some crazy side..   

[3DGeek]

Best Argument i have heard about is We don't sense "Spinning".

WHAT?!?!?  That's the best argument you've heard?

Here, try this:  Face North...then, very, VERY slowly, over the course of an entire hour, gradually turn to face East.   This is six times the speed that the Earth turns.  Can you feel that rotation?

No?  Didn't think so.  It's FAR too slow to cause any inner ear feeling of spinning.

People get all excited about the LINEAR speed - which (at the equator) is 1037 mph - but for most of Europe and N.America is more like 500mph.

HOW COME WE CAN'T FEEL THAT? the FE'ers say!

But if you've ever flown in a commercial airplane - you're probably going at about 500mph - but inside the cabin, it feels like you're just sitting still in a chair at home.   The only way you can tell that you're moving at all is to look out of the window.  But even then, when you're a long way from the ground - it still doesn't feel "fast".  On the surface of the Earth only external visual cues you have about the speed of the Earth are things that are millions of miles away...they can't produce any feeling of speed.

You can't "feel" linear speed - only acceleration and rotation...the acceleration is about 0.4% of gravity, so you'll never feel THAT, the rotation is twice as slow as the hour hand on a clock - so you won't feel that either.

If that's the best argument you've heard...welcome back to the Round Earth!