[pablozablo]

Hi - first time question. From the wiki I read that one of the popular FE explanations for seasons and changing daylight hours throughout the year is due the sun travelling closer to the North Pole in the summer (it is at the centre of the most frequently proposed view of the FE disc) and further away from the North Pole during the winter. If this is the case, why is the North Pole colder than the tropics in summer? It gets more sunlight than areas half way towards the edge and is not any further from the sun in this view, so it should be warmer, shouldn't it?

[gnome ann]

i would guess they would say something like perspective. or that your model of the flat earth is not accurate for many reasons, the main one being that the earth is not flat

[Pete Svarrior]

It gets more sunlight than areas half way towards the edge

This is incorrect, and happens to be the source of your confusion. At no point in time does the Northern Hub receive more sunlight that either of the Tropics.

[juner]

i would guess they would say something like perspective. or that your model of the flat earth is not accurate for many reasons, the main one being that the earth is not flat

If you aren't going to actually add anything to the discussion, then don't bother posting. Warned.

[pablozablo]

It gets more sunlight than areas half way towards the edge

This is incorrect, and happens to be the source of your confusion. At no point in time does the Northern Hub receive more sunlight that either of the Tropics.

Don't they? Alice Springs is on Capricorn and it gets less than 11 hrs daylight in June, with average temp 20 degrees. Even further south is Melbourne which gets 9.5 hours daylight in June with average temp of 14 degrees. At the same time of year Arctic gets 24 hrs daylight in June and averages 0 degree. Why is it colder if it gets more daylight? Does it get more daylight because the sun has moved closer to it or not?

[retlaw]

If all the ice melted and the frost left the ground then the temperatures would be higher.
But the sun doesn't stay long enough to accomplish this before it leaves again for another cycle.

I live north and here is an experiment you can do to test this.
Summer solstice (June 21) is the longest day of the year.
So then lets add 50 days to the calendar post and pre date.
Pre = May 3
Post = August 10
Both dates have the exact same time of sun.
But August is much warm almost 100% of the time.
Why?
The sun on the trip in had to melt the snow and warm the land.
On the way out because there is no more snow to melt or frost still in the ground the sun now is giving thermal energy to be stored in the mass.

Its no different then jumping into a car when its below freezing temperatures.
If you rid it one block it remains cold. If you ride it 100 blocks it warms up.

[pablozablo]

Its no different then jumping into a car when its below freezing temperatures.
If you rid it one block it remains cold. If you ride it 100 blocks it warms up.

Got it - thanks for the explanation. So in that case how come all the ice is there in the first place? Is it a hangover from the ice-age in earlier times? Has climate changed?

[retlaw]

Got it - thanks for the explanation. So in that case how come all the ice is there in the first place? Is it a hangover from the ice-age in earlier times? Has climate changed?

Climate is on a consent change like law and governments.
People have found alligator fossils in the permafrost.

Inuit People on the daily earth wobble, sun moon and stars out of place

[Frocious]

If all the ice melted and the frost left the ground then the temperatures would be higher.
But the sun doesn't stay long enough to accomplish this before it leaves again for another cycle.

The arctic isn't cold because of the ice, it's icy because it's cold. You've got it backwards there.

That's why the overall ice pack is reducing as the planet (round or flat) heats up due to climate change.

[retlaw]

If all the ice melted and the frost left the ground then the temperatures would be higher.
But the sun doesn't stay long enough to accomplish this before it leaves again for another cycle.

The arctic isn't cold because of the ice, it's icy because it's cold. You've got it backwards there.

That's why the overall ice pack is reducing as the planet (round or flat) heats up due to climate change.

It flips back and forth. When the sun shines 24/7 its the ice keeping it cold and In total dark its the cold creating ice.
Yin and yang.

Its a myth that the over all ice pack is melting. In places it is and others it growing.
The Polar bear has a far greater population now then in the 70's.

This is how crazy the climate change people have come.
Large Canadian Arctic climate change study cancelled due to climate change
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170613150651.htm

They plan a trip to study the melting and shrinking sea ice and they have to call the trip off because to much ice. So the only logical thing they can do to save ass is say its exactly what we thought.
You see if they came to the conclusion that the ice is not melting then the funding would stop so the show must go on.

[retlaw]

I 'll make another statement that they will never open a shipping route through the NW passage in our lives like they were all claiming to.
Because of the ice.

[pablozablo]

Climate is on a consent change like law and governments.
People have found alligator fossils in the permafrost.

Inuit People on the daily earth wobble, sun moon and stars out of place

I see - so you think the earth must have tilted on its axis then. How come the sun still rises and sets in exactly the same place on the solstices at Stonehenge as it has done for the last 2500 years?
And I guess it must have been pretty warm in the Arctic ages ago if there were alligators. Do you reckon it was the same down south and the icewall wasn't there back when it was warmer all over the world? Thanks.

[Mad Welsh Man]

I think it has something to do with the sun is cooler on one half compared to the other., it’s to do with the theory of the  sun being bipolar

[douglips]

I 'll make another statement that they will never open a shipping route through the NW passage in our lives like they were all claiming to.
Because of the ice.

In 2016 and 2017 you could book a cruise ship to sail the northwest passage:
http://www.crystalcruises.com/special-offers/2017-northwest-passage
It may be available again this year but so far nothing is on the schedule.

What's your threshold for when something is an open shipping route?