Hi, thanks for stopping by.
1) Generally, most of us do not speculate as to what lies beyond the Ice Wall. Many believe that it stretches out quite far beyond the known Earth, and some even go as far as to say that the Earth is infinite.
2) I have no idea how thick the Earth is, but it is most likely not immune to erosion.
3) As per 1), most believe that no one's ventured far enough to see the edge, even if there is one.
4) Probably.
5) Nothing. They're not trying to hide the shape of the Earth, merely cover up the space travel fantasy: https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Conspiracy
Sexwarrior; you refer to "the ice wall" am i right in assuming that the general belief is that there is a large ice wall that prevents anyone actually getting to the edge? And for it to be generally un heard of to speculate what is beyond it seems a little ignorant in regards of the natural human instinct of knowledge.
And I actually feel that question number 4 was very important. There are many conspiracy theory behind many different aspects of the world. And behind every conspiracy theory there is always an advantage into successfully hiding the truth.
For example; aliens. The world leaders would have a lot to gain by successfully hiding the fact they do exists.
9/11, the world leaders need the public to believe this act was committed by extreme Islamic terrorists to keep support against the war on terror.
In contrast. There is no benefit (as far as I can see) of covering up the space travel fantasy. The knowledge we can gain from space travel and possibilities of being able to maintain life in space or even find another planet for humans to survive on is hugely advantageous.
My point being that it is would take a lot of resources and time to successfully mask the "illusion" of space travel without any real benefit. Whereas there is a lot to gain from genuine space travel.
And for it to be generally un heard of to speculate what is beyond it seems a little ignorant in regards of the natural human instinct of knowledge.
Speculation can be interesting, but it is not productive. We do not know what is beyond the ice wall and so we admit that we do not know. Wild hypotheticals are characteristic of so-called "science". We are not "scientists"; we are zeteticists.
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Again, you are confusing the zetetic method with the so-called "scientific" method. Our theory advances on direct observation, experimentation, and reason alone.
It might very well be, but we do not yet know if "control of space" is even possible. The conspiracy has certainly been afforded a level of temporal power that is really beyond historical precedent; the hold of international globularism over the hearts and minds of our species is effectively complete. I'd personally be very surprised if financial gain was the sole motivating factor, but who is to say at this point?
It's not a lack of will that's stopping us.
It's the result of a perspective effect. There's actually a page on our wiki devoted to it.
Hi guys.
The diversity of humans never ceases to amaze me. I have just stumbled across FET in the past hour and I'm very interested. I have taken the time to read your FAQ's and it is all very interesting. I have some questions that I'm confident are not covered in the FAQ's.
1) If the world is flat and Antarctica acts as "a wall around the edge" (referring to the diagram in FAQ's). How does the very outer edge of Antarctica not erode away and inevitably dissappear completely? I would be so bold as to say that everything on this planet errodes/decays over time. If Antarctica is acting as a wall and therefore keeping the ocean "on" the earth what happens when Antarctica is not large/strong enough to with stand the enormous pressure of the entire world's ocean pushing against it?
2) how deep/thick is the flat earth? And what is the underside like? Is that immune to erosion?
3) why has no one ever seen the edge or fallen off? Human's have explored the vast majority of the planet..
4) is space travel a conspiracy? Are all the astronauts in on it? When a space shuttle takes off to go to the moon or to the ISS does it just go and land somewhere an hour later and then all the fake footage starts being fed to the public?
5) (this is in relation to previous question) what would the conspiritors have to gain from tricking the entire planet into believing we are on a spherical planet?
I am asking these questions with genuine intrigue and I am asking them with respect towards all beliefs held by anyone reading them.
In return I ask you to reply to them with respect and avoid any "you've been brainwashed by nasa" -esk replies
3) 2 reasons. First is the Antarctic treaty that forbids people from just going there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System It is a military zone protected by the UN. Second there are accounts of people trying, but the temperature keeps declining, the weather gets worse, earth's magnetic fields gets a bit weird at the edges making navigation hard. All this is documented by explorers of the 'south pole' and we can find excerpts for bits you wish to challenge.
4) Yes, It is all fake. People cannot go to space. Space walks are conducted in swimming pools (which is why astronauts occasionally have their suits fill up with water in 'space' and also why you can occasionally see bubbles from those astronauts in space). When the shuttle takes off, it takes a nice arc to somewhere obscure and lands. It is then flown back.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft_transporting_Discovery_departs_Kennedy_Space_Center.jpg) Astornauts then proceed to do green screen footage, often in parabolic flight aircraft to simulate zero gravity.
5) Money. What is NASA's budget? All that money is taken, they give you a cheap Hollywood production and the rest of the cash goes into the weapons dev budget. That is what nasa is for. Developing weapons. It started during the war with Vietnam. That war was costing the US its entire GDP every year. How to get more money? Fake a space program. Those billions can also go to weapons but it doesn't seem to the public it is being wasted, it seems like science. Fast forward and it acts like the military industrial complex. A way to syphon tax payer money off without people shitting a brick over military expenses.
It clearly can't go back into the system otherwise USA wouldn't be so fucked? So it must be for personal gain. And in that case, i am assuming the person/people are already hugely wealthy and influential, wouldn't real power (in form of control of space) be more beneficial?
5) money, black-mail and control
Honest map-making is an odd business because it is impossible for an honest map-maker to survive for the glaringly obvious reason: NOBODY CAN CLAIM ORIGINAL OWNERSHIP OF A TRUE MAP. Map-makers struggled to keep their maps under controlled eyes lest their maps be copied. There were no copyright offices at the time and even if there were, what difference, at that point, would it make? A copy-cat could just claim that he made the same observations.
How did map-makers get around this challenge? They deliberately inserted falsehoods in their maps. The preponderance of false maps only makes sense if you look at human behavior.
THERE IS NO REASON FOR ANYBODY other than God, His Son and or His prophets TO DISCLOSE THE TRUE MAP OF THE EARTH. There is every reason to keep it hidden.
Monarchs do not want anybody to know how to reach their kingdoms.
Conversely, outlaws do not want any kings to reach their bugouts.
The false globe map satisfies all interests because it makes it virtually impossible for an ignorant invader/army to travel.
What better protection for a king's kingdom than to have all gullible pirates attempt to sail across the pacific ocean or sneak around the south "pole" or any other attempt to make a short-cut based on a false globe map??????
It makes perfect sense for multiple competing statesmen to keep the true form of the earth secret. If I had to write a Hollyweird space movie, it would involve Russian/Chinese actronoughts laughing all the way to the bank.
Chinese pool-boy to Rusky cosmonaut : "Every year, we call up NASA jokers and tell them to send us more money! They beg me to make more stupid videos for them to keep their jokes alive. I do not complain."
Rusky cosmonaut to Chinese pool-boy: "Ha! Ha! You work too hard! We stopped that charade long ago. Now, we tell them to stick their costumes up their arses and just send us the money. I put video on Youtube and they scramble to take it down. I scramble faster and faster and faster until they send me more money."
It clearly can't go back into the system otherwise USA wouldn't be so fucked? So it must be for personal gain. And in that case, i am assuming the person/people are already hugely wealthy and influential, wouldn't real power (in form of control of space) be more beneficial?You will need to take a step back and look at economics and what it really is.
Your phrase USA is f*&#! $ is elementary thinking.
The rich have only gotten richer since the 2008 economic "disaster".
The stock market is what sets the standard for economy in the US.
The economic "meltdown" in 2008 was nothing more than the rich selling off their share of the market, then guess what? Buying back in.
Now... Economics are designed for you and I. Not the rich and powerful. They control it, we get to use it.
Using money to control people is no new concept. And the idea of economics goes back further than could know.
But I'd like to point you to this tidbit of info:
Copernicus who first introduced the Heliocentric model in the 1500's was also a mathematician and economist.
He also was the first person to introduce the "quantity theory of money," the theory that prices vary directly with the supply of money in the society.
So anyways, believe me when I tell you that USA isn't in a jam as the media makes it out to be.
They are simply using the wrong buzz words. Collapse, recession, meltdown, disaster...
The words they should be using are Control, Fraud, Control.
Economics really is that simple. Money isn't real, just designed for the poor so we don't kill each other, and/or "them".
Hi guys.
The diversity of humans never ceases to amaze me. I have just stumbled across FET in the past hour and I'm very interested. I have taken the time to read your FAQ's and it is all very interesting. I have some questions that I'm confident are not covered in the FAQ's.
1) If the world is flat and Antarctica acts as "a wall around the edge" (referring to the diagram in FAQ's). How does the very outer edge of Antarctica not erode away and inevitably dissappear completely? I would be so bold as to say that everything on this planet errodes/decays over time. If Antarctica is acting as a wall and therefore keeping the ocean "on" the earth what happens when Antarctica is not large/strong enough to with stand the enormous pressure of the entire world's ocean pushing against it?
2) how deep/thick is the flat earth? And what is the underside like? Is that immune to erosion?
3) why has no one ever seen the edge or fallen off? Human's have explored the vast majority of the planet..
4) is space travel a conspiracy? Are all the astronauts in on it? When a space shuttle takes off to go to the moon or to the ISS does it just go and land somewhere an hour later and then all the fake footage starts being fed to the public?
5) (this is in relation to previous question) what would the conspiritors have to gain from tricking the entire planet into believing we are on a spherical planet?
I am asking these questions with genuine intrigue and I am asking them with respect towards all beliefs held by anyone reading them.
In return I ask you to reply to them with respect and avoid any "you've been brainwashed by nasa" -esk replies
1) Space is cold. It is almost absolute zero. So you have that freezing temperature constantly cooling the perimeter of earth. Yes, costal erosion will happen, but new ice will be created as a result of the extreme temperatures. It is also a long way from the path of the sun. You read the FAQ, have seen the maps, it stays cold out there.
2) We know it is at least 13km thick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole It is hard to be exact. we just don't have the data.
3) 2 reasons. First is the Antarctic treaty that forbids people from just going there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System It is a military zone protected by the UN. Second there are accounts of people trying, but the temperature keeps declining, the weather gets worse, earth's magnetic fields gets a bit weird at the edges making navigation hard. All this is documented by explorers of the 'south pole' and we can find excerpts for bits you wish to challenge.
4) Yes, It is all fake. People cannot go to space. Space walks are conducted in swimming pools (which is why astronauts occasionally have their suits fill up with water in 'space' and also why you can occasionally see bubbles from those astronauts in space). When the shuttle takes off, it takes a nice arc to somewhere obscure and lands. It is then flown back.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft_transporting_Discovery_departs_Kennedy_Space_Center.jpg) Astornauts then proceed to do green screen footage, often in parabolic flight aircraft to simulate zero gravity.
5) Money. What is NASA's budget? All that money is taken, they give you a cheap Hollywood production and the rest of the cash goes into the weapons dev budget. That is what nasa is for. Developing weapons. It started during the war with Vietnam. That war was costing the US its entire GDP every year. How to get more money? Fake a space program. Those billions can also go to weapons but it doesn't seem to the public it is being wasted, it seems like science. Fast forward and it acts like the military industrial complex. A way to syphon tax payer money off without people shitting a brick over military expenses.
Asking 5 questions in one thread is always likely to get a poor response. Ask one per thread so people can go into detail on that topic. Otherwise it just devolves into an unsatisfactory crapfest of short answers with no real depth.
Sexwarrior; you refer to "the ice wall" am i right in assuming that the general belief is that there is a large ice wall that prevents anyone actually getting to the edge? And for it to be generally un heard of to speculate what is beyond it seems a little ignorant in regards of the natural human instinct of knowledge.
And I actually feel that question number 4 was very important. There are many conspiracy theory behind many different aspects of the world. And behind every conspiracy theory there is always an advantage into successfully hiding the truth.
For example; aliens. The world leaders would have a lot to gain by successfully hiding the fact they do exists.
9/11, the world leaders need the public to believe this act was committed by extreme Islamic terrorists to keep support against the war on terror.
In contrast. There is no benefit (as far as I can see) of covering up the space travel fantasy. The knowledge we can gain from space travel and possibilities of being able to maintain life in space or even find another planet for humans to survive on is hugely advantageous.
My point being that it is would take a lot of resources and time to successfully mask the "illusion" of space travel without any real benefit. Whereas there is a lot to gain from genuine space travel.
It's not that we don't speculate what is beyond the ice wall, but that, as the sun only reaches so far, it is more-or-less impossible for humans to travel that far. So, while it is interesting to consider what may lie out there, it's just not something many of us consider all that important.
There are a few key reasons for faking space travel: money, greed, and power. For example, Lyndon B. Johnson, a former president of the United States, said this on outer space in his memoirs:
"Control of space means control of the world, far more certainly, far more totally than any control that has ever or could ever be achieved by weapons, or by troops of occupation."
Ok. For the arguments sake let's say space travel is not possible. (purely for argument sake. I still believe space travel is not an illusion)
Why would part of the illusion be in convincing the public that the earth is spherical? If what is being claimed by FE's as proof to support a FET is so obvious. Why has so much time and money been spent on supporting a consipiracy of the world being spherical?
I can see a reason why creating an illusion of space travel could be advantageous. I cannot see a reason for concealing the truth regarding the planet is spherical.
P.s. In regards to your comment about Antarctica being ice on top of Rock. You are right, I don't know why I though it would ice all the way down. My mistake. (Although I still disagree that Antarctica is an ice wall around a flat earths perimeter for the record)
Hi guys.
The diversity of humans never ceases to amaze me. I have just stumbled across FET in the past hour and I'm very interested. I have taken the time to read your FAQ's and it is all very interesting. I have some questions that I'm confident are not covered in the FAQ's.
1) If the world is flat and Antarctica acts as "a wall around the edge" (referring to the diagram in FAQ's). How does the very outer edge of Antarctica not erode away and inevitably dissappear completely? I would be so bold as to say that everything on this planet errodes/decays over time. If Antarctica is acting as a wall and therefore keeping the ocean "on" the earth what happens when Antarctica is not large/strong enough to with stand the enormous pressure of the entire world's ocean pushing against it?
2) how deep/thick is the flat earth? And what is the underside like? Is that immune to erosion?
3) why has no one ever seen the edge or fallen off? Human's have explored the vast majority of the planet..
4) is space travel a conspiracy? Are all the astronauts in on it? When a space shuttle takes off to go to the moon or to the ISS does it just go and land somewhere an hour later and then all the fake footage starts being fed to the public?
5) (this is in relation to previous question) what would the conspiritors have to gain from tricking the entire planet into believing we are on a spherical planet?
I am asking these questions with genuine intrigue and I am asking them with respect towards all beliefs held by anyone reading them.
In return I ask you to reply to them with respect and avoid any "you've been brainwashed by nasa" -esk replies