The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: xasop on September 14, 2015, 08:46:43 AM
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So, there's quite a bit of background, but this has come to a head because the Liberal Party is about to lose a seat in a by-election. The Labor Party doesn't even want to win it, because they'd prefer to compete with Abbott in the next election than risk him being replaced, but they're still polling in the lead despite not having spent a cent on campaigning.
Abbott's colleagues have come out in the open and pretty much said "yeah, we know Abbott is a shitty PM". Malcolm Turnbull today resigned from Cabinet and announced his intention to contest the party leadership. Abbott has agreed to hold a ballot in a party meeting this evening. Long story short, we could have a new Prime Minister by tomorrow, and it won't be a moment too soon.
There's some more detailed coverage here, if you're interested: http://livenews.abc.net.au/Event/Turnbull_requests_ballot_for_party_leadership
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The result of the leadership ballot should be announced within the next hour. Tonight we find out how fucked Australia is for 2016.
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Rooting for you Mr Abbott ... good luck
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Rooting for you Mr Abbott ... good luck
You don't even know anything about the people involved. You're just trolling, and fairly badly at that.
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https://twitter.com/annajhenderson/status/643372717643722752
35 minutes and counting. Peel open an onion and bask in your last half-hour of power, Tony.
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I actually like Abbott. His stance on immigration is sensible for example ... it isn't all about liberalism and ignoring financial reality.
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I actually like Abbott. His stance on immigration is sensible for example ... it isn't all about liberalism and ignoring financial reality.
No. Go away. This thread is a chronicle of the first real political triumph we've had all decade, and you're not going to ruin it.
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5 minutes until the ballot starts. Not long now until Tony is out of work. And here he kept claiming unemployment was under control.
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The party room meeting is now underway. Who will emerge the victor? We shall soon see.
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The suspense is unbearable. They're still in there, and there's an army of media reps waiting outside to find out the result.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO3FeHUUwAAPu6m.jpg)
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Malcolm Turnbull is the 29th Prime Minister of Australia. So ends the biggest joke in the long and distinguished history of Australian comedy.
And the nation breathed a collective sigh of relief.
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!!!!!
What a good day
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RIP in pizza, sweet prince. I will miss your onion-chomping brilliance ;_;
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I agree with Thork, Abbott had significantly better policies than the competition. I hope he runs as Donald Trump's vice.
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balls. this proves Australian politics is a colonial joke. Just as the country gets on track, you sabotage it and get rid of the man with the vision. Back to third world status for you I guess.
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I actually like Abbott. His stance on immigration is sensible for example ... it isn't all about liberalism and ignoring financial reality.
Both major parties are in agreement in regards to asylum seekers. Only the smaller parties maintain more liberal stances. The outcry to take in more Syrian refugees was consistent across the country, with Tony agreeing to a number of 12,000.
In any case, asylum seekers are a drop in the population bucket. Our population is increasing much faster than other first world nations mostly due to 100% legal immigrants. That's what needs to be addressed, not a few thousand boat people every year.
With Turnbull in charge and Bishop as #2, things are about to get very interesting.
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PM Abbott upset the shooters in Australia;
(with his ban on the Adler shotgun)
that's the best part of one million votes (if you include those in the application process as well as those already granted) ;
since most electoral seats in Australia are marginal, one million votes is more than enough to toss any incumbent gov' out on its ear :o
(i'd "hazard a guess" that some of the Liberal power-brokers have sussed this and, thus, want Abbott out before he does any more major collateral damage)
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balls. this proves Australian politics is a colonial joke. Just as the country gets on track, you sabotage it and get rid of the man with the vision. Back to third world status for you I guess.
You really don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?
Tony Abbott isn't "the man with the vision". He's spent the past two years talking the talk, but he's proven time and again that he can't walk the walk. He's much better at blaming the previous government for all his problems than actually solving them, and any journalists who criticise him are summarily accused of "talking the country down" and reminded that he stopped the boats. His enormous ego and unwillingness to work with the Senate made it impossible for him to pass any really significant reforms. Anything and everything his government achieved was in spite of his leadership, not because of it.
Abbott is the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had. Anyone would have been a step up, but Turnbull is more than just "not as bad as Tony". He's someone who thinks before he speaks, and from what I've seen so far, will listen to others before making sound, reasoned judgments. He's carefully avoided making any rash claims about policy changes before consulting the party room, something Tony never quite seemed to get the hang of. He's the Liberal Party's best hope at winning the next election, and quite honestly, I would prefer a Turnbull-led Coalition government to a Shorten-led Labor one.
Even if Turnbull doesn't change any existing policies, he'll have a much better chance of implementing them than Abbott ever did.
Also, Turnbull was sworn in as PM by the Governor-General today. He's now officially in charge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9JaYDxLNiU
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balls. this proves Australian politics is a colonial joke. Just as the country gets on track, you sabotage it and get rid of the man with the vision. Back to third world status for you I guess.
You really don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?
Tony Abbott isn't "the man with the vision". He's spent the past two years talking the talk, but he's proven time and again that he can't walk the walk. He's much better at blaming the previous government for all his problems than actually solving them, and any journalists who criticise him are summarily accused of "talking the country down" and reminded that he stopped the boats. His enormous ego and unwillingness to work with the Senate made it impossible for him to pass any really significant reforms. Anything and everything his government achieved was in spite of his leadership, not because of it.
Abbott is the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had. Anyone would have been a step up, but Turnbull is more than just "not as bad as Tony". He's someone who thinks before he speaks, and from what I've seen so far, will listen to others before making sound, reasoned judgments. He's carefully avoided making any rash claims about policy changes before consulting the party room, something Tony never quite seemed to get the hang of. He's the Liberal Party's best hope at winning the next election, and quite honestly, I would prefer a Turnbull-led Coalition government to a Shorten-led Labor one.
Even if Turnbull doesn't change any existing policies, he'll have a much better chance of implementing them than Abbott ever did.
Also, Turnbull was sworn in as PM by the Governor-General today. He's now officially in charge.
He has left a legacy of tougher border controls and secured some good trade agreements. For a two year tenure, that's not bad going.
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He has left a legacy of tougher border controls and secured some good trade agreements. For a two year tenure, that's not bad going.
Both of which are Liberal Party policies which would have been implemented with or without Abbott at the top. As I said before and you decided not to bother acknowledging:
Anything and everything his government achieved was in spite of his leadership, not because of it.
For every election promise Abbott fulfilled, he left two more broken. As I said before:
Even if Turnbull doesn't change any existing policies, he'll have a much better chance of implementing them than Abbott ever did.
If you're going to keep repeating your ill-informed views without even addressing (or reading, apparently) my points, I'm going to stop wasting my time on you.
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Even if Turnbull doesn't change any existing policies, he'll have a much better chance of implementing them than Abbott ever did
not really!
Turnbull is just a stop-gap until the next election;
he's too weak and too weak a character to implement any radical or serious policy changes
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https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2015/09/19/kicking-the-abbott/14425848002386
A scathing but hard-earned farewell.
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Well it’s good to see this new lot being progressive and intelligent.
Anti-terror minister Michael Keenan launches “The Radicalisation Awareness Kit” Including an image of a shark cull protest and the case study of Karen who listens to alternative music and gets into environmentalism at college.
Turns out that if you were to have AWOLnation on your playlist and buy some organic eggs in Australia you are probably being watched as a terror suspect.
Into the future….
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Well it’s good to see this new lot being progressive and intelligent.
There is no "new lot". The ruling party hasn't changed, only its leader (who also made some changes to Cabinet, but left other ministers where they are). We can't expect immediate or revolutionary change from a new leader within the same party, especially with the concessions he had to make to get the far right faction's support.
What we can expect is better accountability, more rational judgment and more effective collaboration between parties in Parliament. With a PM who doesn't shoot his mouth off at every opportunity, we'll probably also have better foreign relations, and the press are likely to focus on real political issues rather than Abbott's weekly gaffes.
Whether any of these things are particularly good in the long run remains to be seen, but I have no doubt that they are better than they would have been with Abbott (or Shorten, for that matter).