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« Reply #120 on: February 20, 2015, 05:51:48 PM »
Nightfall was my favorite.

Me too!  I feel a literary kinship...

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« Reply #121 on: February 20, 2015, 06:00:35 PM »
Aw yay! The novel is one of my favorite sci-fis and one of my favorite apocalyptic stories.

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« Reply #122 on: February 20, 2015, 06:23:01 PM »
Aw yay! The novel is one of my favorite sci-fis and one of my favorite apocalyptic stories.

Same here.  I read it on a lark, first thing I read by Aasimov, and was totally blown away.  Such a great idea, simple and really well-written.

Speaking of great reads:

The Orphan Master's Son by Adam Johnson

Awesome moving story that goes in to incredible detail about life in North Korea.

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« Reply #123 on: March 05, 2015, 05:19:39 AM »
Just got 'Fear Itself' by Ira Katznelson because it criticizes the New Deal from the left.
I ordered it along with his other book 'When Affirmative Action Was White' which argues that affirmative action in the US was distorted by by southern democrats from its inception in the 1960's into maintaining the status quo and that the racist aspects of Johnson's Great Society have roots in Roosevelt's New Deal which leads into his more recent book.

I have a slim history of the Democrat Party by a Trotskyite publisher which I recall entitles one of its chapters 'The Party of Slavery'. I thought this book by Katznelson might give teeth to that perspective with respect to the New Deal era. I understand that the book is not so critical of Roosevelt as of the Congress which was dominated by southern Democrats who were Roosevelt's main opponents in getting New Deal legislation passed & forged a consensus with Roosevelt which tainted the New Deal. According to this book, a given law was passed only if it was okay with the southerners which is why, for example, farm laborers and domestic servants got passed over by the New Deal.

This made me ponder that the Southern aristocracy largely via the Democrat party in actuality ran the country even though it had officially lost the civil war.  I think it also gives teeth to Stalin's declaration back in 1924 that the western democracies are the moderate wing of fascism.

I became acquainted with the Wisconsin school of American historian led by William Appleman Williams which viewed America's cold war anti-communism very critically as that America has always been a virtual colonialist monstrosity non-stop from the British colonial days through to the Cold War, but Williams argued american foreign policy has always been directly connected to its domestic policy. The rich own America and exploit the poor, but an ever expanding empire hides and disguises expiration by giving the exploited the opportunity to escape. This is why a revolution temporarily overthrowing the upper class occurred in France, but not in America. The exploited in France had no where to run and Revolution was much more the only alternative.
The history books by communist party chairman William Z. Foster appear to me to have voiced William Appleman William's ideas a generation before Williams himself (who was considered a radical 1950s and 1960s scholar). Foster was critical of Roosevelt and ran against him for president in 1932. He wrote that the New Deal programs as Roosevelt presented them had a lot of valor, but its effect was to pacify the people who if left to themselves would have changed the American system more drastically. Thus, Foster considered the New Deal a controlled socialism that saved capitalism's ass by preventing what had happened in Russia. Morgan and Rockefeller much preferred to tell a Roosevelt what to do and say to the people rather than have a Lenin kick them out of their houses.

I think Obama and most other recent Democrat presidents are like Roosevelt then. They may be personally inclined to what most people want, but they are willing to and do compromise that by submitting to the desires of other persons who in truth have no interest in democracy at all.

I saw a YouTube video of the author and was partially disappointed and hope the book will be more dynamic than the author's speech. I also get the idea that the more intriguing part of the book about the southern dominated congress is only one third to one half of it, but I'll see when I get home to read it.

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« Reply #124 on: March 05, 2015, 06:26:37 PM »
I'm on Order of the Phoenix right now. It seems like JK Rowling started running out of steam at this point. Although, writing seven record shattering novels isn't something many people can do.

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« Reply #125 on: March 05, 2015, 09:08:30 PM »
I'm on Order of the Phoenix right now. It seems like JK Rowling started running out of steam at this point. Although, writing seven record shattering novels isn't something many people can do.

I don't think she ran out of steam at this point. Order of the Phoenix is just the weakest book in the series, in my opinion. It drags.
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« Reply #126 on: March 05, 2015, 09:17:35 PM »
I'm on Order of the Phoenix right now. It seems like JK Rowling started running out of steam at this point. Although, writing seven record shattering novels isn't something many people can do.

I don't think she run out of steam at this point. Order of the Phoenix is just the weakest book in the series, in my opinion. It drags.

And it is 800 pages long.  Lethal combination.  Half-Blood Prince picks up a little and the Deathly Hallows was fairly unsatisfying.

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« Reply #127 on: March 05, 2015, 09:24:06 PM »
I'm on Order of the Phoenix right now. It seems like JK Rowling started running out of steam at this point. Although, writing seven record shattering novels isn't something many people can do.

I don't think she run out of steam at this point. Order of the Phoenix is just the weakest book in the series, in my opinion. It drags.

And it is 800 pages long.  Lethal combination.  Half-Blood Prince picks up a little and the Deathly Hallows was fairly unsatisfying.

Half-Blood Prince is my favorite in the series.

On second thought, I feel like the weakest books are the first two. They're somewhat juvenile, basically the same plot, and not very interesting on a second read. I think JK actually improves as the books go on. Order of the Phoenix being the exception.

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« Reply #128 on: March 05, 2015, 09:28:26 PM »
I thought OotP was the best book, even though it was arguably a bit too long.

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Re: FES Book Club
« Reply #129 on: March 05, 2015, 10:23:37 PM »
ITT: people have different opinions about what makes a good book. This is an outrage
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Re: FES Book Club
« Reply #130 on: March 06, 2015, 05:29:39 AM »
Just finished Solar Lottery by Philip K. Dick.

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« Reply #131 on: March 06, 2015, 06:52:07 AM »
Just finished Solar Lottery by Philip K. Dick.

I haven't read Dick in a long time. Worthwhile?

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« Reply #132 on: March 06, 2015, 09:18:40 AM »
I'm on Order of the Phoenix right now. It seems like JK Rowling started running out of steam at this point. Although, writing seven record shattering novels isn't something many people can do.

I really enjoyed OotP, especially Umbridge's reign of terror. The last three books concentrate less and less on the day-to-day lessons and trials of a Hogwarts education and, in my opinion, they're stronger for it.

I thought the weakest of the series was either The Goblet of Fire or Chamber of Secrets. The first because I didn't really care too much about the Triwizard Cup and the former because, as Vauxy said, it doesn't really add anything to the series that the first didn't.

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« Reply #133 on: March 06, 2015, 12:00:30 PM »

Just finished Solar Lottery by Philip K. Dick.

I haven't read Dick in a long time. Worthwhile?

It's his first book, so it gets a little clunky in a couple spots. It was still a pretty fantastic read..

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« Reply #134 on: March 06, 2015, 05:49:27 PM »
I thought the weakest of the series was either The Goblet of Fire or Chamber of Secrets. The first because I didn't really care too much about the Triwizard Cup and the former because, as Vauxy said, it doesn't really add anything to the series that the first didn't.
I disagree. The Chamber of Secrets introduced the first Horcrux, Dobby and the house-elves, and Fawkes. It also gave background to Voldemort and why Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts.

My favorite book was the Prisoner of Azkaban because of Sirius. I stopped reading the series for awhile when Sirius died because I was so upset.

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« Reply #135 on: March 06, 2015, 06:01:57 PM »
I disagree. The Chamber of Secrets introduced the first Horcrux, Dobby and the house-elves, and Fawkes. It also gave background to Voldemort and why Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts.

Fawkes' saving of Harry felt like a lazy deus ex to me, which is another reason I'm not a fan of the second book.
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« Reply #136 on: March 06, 2015, 06:35:37 PM »
I disagree. The Chamber of Secrets introduced the first Horcrux, Dobby and the house-elves, and Fawkes. It also gave background to Voldemort and why Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts.

Fawkes' saving of Harry felt like a lazy deus ex to me, which is another reason I'm not a fan of the second book.
She set up Fawkes much earlier in the story, it was heavily foreshadowed. Since deus ex devices are contrived and unexpected, I don't think you could call it that.

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« Reply #137 on: March 06, 2015, 06:46:46 PM »
I disagree. The Chamber of Secrets introduced the first Horcrux, Dobby and the house-elves, and Fawkes. It also gave background to Voldemort and why Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts.

Fawkes' saving of Harry felt like a lazy deus ex to me, which is another reason I'm not a fan of the second book.
She set up Fawkes much earlier in the story, it was heavily foreshadowed. Since deus ex devices are contrived and unexpected, I don't think you could call it that.

She doesn't set Fawkes up. She just introduces him. He arrives at just the right time to save Harry and Ginny, healing him and arming him with the only weapon capable of winning the battle.

It might be more accurate to say that the Sword of Gryffindor is the deus ex here, and that Fawkes is a chekhov's gun. As far as I remember The Sword was not introduced in the story before the fight, but I could be wrong because I haven't read The Chamber of Secrets in years.
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« Reply #138 on: March 06, 2015, 07:10:35 PM »
She does set Fawkes up. There is a whole scene where Dumbledore and Harry are talking about him and the healing tears.

The sword was closer to a deus ex, I think. But the sword had to be absorb the venom so it could destroy horcruxes later on.

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« Reply #139 on: March 07, 2015, 04:35:47 PM »
I thought the weakest of the series was either The Goblet of Fire or Chamber of Secrets. The first because I didn't really care too much about the Triwizard Cup and the former because, as Vauxy said, it doesn't really add anything to the series that the first didn't.
I disagree. The Chamber of Secrets introduced the first Horcrux, Dobby and the house-elves, and Fawkes. It also gave background to Voldemort and why Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts.

My favorite book was the Prisoner of Azkaban because of Sirius. I stopped reading the series for awhile when Sirius died because I was so upset.

We don't even know the significance of the diary as a horcrux until the last book, until then it was basically just a generic evil artifact with an excuse to flesh out Voldemort's past. It could have been incorporated into either the first or the third books without much of a bulking of the story.  Likewise Dobby and the house-elves.

Is Fawkes that significant? From the top of my head, I can't really think of anything particulary plot-important thing he did until the Battle in the Dept. of Mysteries.