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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 26, 2024, 01:49:23 PM »
Also, isn't his networth increase due to Truth Social going public and the initial expected stock surge which will likely drop like a stone to its true worth soon after?

Yes. It's paper wealth in perhaps its most extreme form. Trump can't realize it and it's not going to help him pay his debts or cut any deals with financial institutions.

Ironically, this case proved he paid his debts to financial institutions. The fine is brought by the state claiming it was fraud to overstate the value of his property to the bank. The same bank that sent assessors to the property and accepted Trump's valuation of it. The debt to the bank is long paid off and they admitted they'd do business with him again.

This case is nothing more than government corruption. "For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law."
Did the bank send assessors? 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 26, 2024, 12:09:54 AM »
But Tom, he was on the forbes 500 already.  Are you saying he lied before?

Also, isn't his networth increase due to Truth Social going public and the initial expected stock surge which will likely drop like a stone to its true worth soon after?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 19, 2024, 02:45:06 PM »
It's almost like they went with an insane fine that they knew not even a billionaire could afford because it's a political hit job.
You'd think someone worth....*searches*

https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/09/08/trump-overstated-net-worth-by-up-to-3point6-billion-per-year-ny-ag-alleges-in-new-filing.html?espv=1

$4.5 billion, per his claim, could cough up the money.

Practically no one has the cash on hand to pay 11% of their net worth to settle a civil suit. Further, it makes very little sense to get upset at someone for overstating their net worth, then fine them more money than you know they can afford (because you were upset at them for overstating their worth!).

It's an obvious attempt to make Trump look bad and it was a huge waste of time. The only thing this case has done to Trump's support is cement his narrative that the "deep state" is out to get him.

Wasn't the fine calculated based on the revenue lost to the bank?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 18, 2024, 11:25:56 PM »
It's almost like they went with an insane fine that they knew not even a billionaire could afford because it's a political hit job.
You'd think someone worth....*searches*

https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/09/08/trump-overstated-net-worth-by-up-to-3point6-billion-per-year-ny-ag-alleges-in-new-filing.html?espv=1

$4.5 billion, per his claim, could cough up the money. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 18, 2024, 07:31:37 PM »
Maybe this is just a symptom of certain posters being gone or banned, but I'm surprised no one here is shrieking about the "bloodbath" comment that the media has been crying about. The situation seems to be a case of a single word taken out of context to declare that Trump was calling for a violent "bloodbath" if he loses.

https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/18/cnn-analyst-spreads-disinformation-to-get-feds-to-meddle-in-elections-against-trump/

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On Saturday, Trump warned Americans of an economic “bloodbath” in the auto industry if Biden wins a second term.

“China now is building a couple of massive plants where they’re going to build the cars in Mexico,” Trump said during an Ohio rally. “[China thinks] that they’re going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border.”

“We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars — if I get elected,” the former president continued. “Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath.”

Democrats and the media, however, cut the clip to suggest the former president was simply saying there would “be a bloodbath” if he lost. All over TV screens and social media last weekend, they spread the deliberately false disinformation narrative that Trump had called for a violent “bloodbath” if he loses.

Because we can read.

Tho not sure how he's gonna do that.  I mean, he signed the agreement China will use to get cars over the border.  What, was it a bad deal?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 15, 2024, 09:33:57 AM »
Comedy routines involving "random" ordinary people saying stupid things should never be taken as a representative sample of anything or in any way meaningful. It's a very real possibility that these interviews were entirely scripted and these people were paid to take part in the charade. And if they weren't scripted, they were almost certainly carefully selected from dozens of other interviews. If you spend hours and hours talking to lots and lots of people, you're bound to eventually run into someone of picturesque stupidity.
Well, that's all fair.
But Trump's going to get in again, isn't he? The number of people who think like the above are not insignificant. We see people on here posting like it. It doesn't matter what is said or done, the only think that matters is who said or did it. Trump good. Biden bad. Simple as that.

Soo... He might not.  Guess who picked thr RNC's new leadership?  Trump.

https://apnews.com/article/republican-national-committee-trump-whatley-legal-fees-53402f8e8ac845db3cf4ab82c882ea74

His first hand picked leader was kicked out for his second.  And his daughter-in-law.  Because nepotism is a thing.

They've already canceled several programs and staff cuts.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/main-in-voting-bank-your-vote-republicans-rcna143291

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/12/1238049339/rnc-layoffs-staff-cuts-republican-party-trump-whatley-lara#:~:text=the%20Trump%20campaign.-,More%20than%2060%20people%20were%20fired%2C%20including%20senior%20staff%20in,American%2C%20Asian%20and%20Hispanic%20communities.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 14, 2024, 05:32:22 PM »
Source? 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/02/fact-check-covid-19-uv-light-treatment-research-underway-los-angeles/3053177001/

"On April 20, three days before Trump made his remarks, pharmaceutical company Aytu Bioscience announced that it had signed an exclusive license for worldwide rights to the Healight Platform Technology under research at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles."
Well, good to know he's really really bad at siting sources.  And context since he was just talking about disinfecting rooms with light.  But hey, good on you for proving a point.

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I suppose when anyone mentions Joe Biden has dementia, it is because the rackety old paedo has dementia.

So you admit that its not what's said but who says it.  Love the honesty on your hypocracy.
What hypocrisy?

There is nothing that old paedo fuck could ever say that would be remotely truthful or worthwhile.
The different answers based on the same words.  But as Honk said, was likely staged or carefully picked. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 14, 2024, 02:04:23 PM »
Sigh.

video snipped because Jimmy Kimmel is a goddamn moron

This is why democracy is a terrible idea.
The very first question by "the "man in the street," to the layperson had to do with the issue of a "shining light cure," for respiratory illness, such as corona.

Since UV light is a safe and effective treatment, as anyone can see, can we just dispose of your nonsense now?

https://www.google.com/search?q=UV+light+treatment+for+respiratory+illness&rlz=1C1GCEO_en&oq=UV+light+treatment+for+respiratory+illness&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCTEyOTQzajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Nice find.

I mean, it was done after Trump said it but thats not the point.  If it was, why did they say Joe Biden had dimentia?  Surely the answers should have been the same regardless of who said it, no?
What do you mean it was done after Trump said it?

A pharmaceutical company made mention of it three days prior to Trump stating it.
Source?  Because the paper was published in 2021 and Trump's words were in 2020.


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I suppose when anyone mentions Joe Biden has dementia, it is because the rackety old paedo has dementia.

So you admit that its not what's said but who says it.  Love the honesty on your hypocracy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 14, 2024, 12:45:13 PM »
Sigh.

video snipped because Jimmy Kimmel is a goddamn moron

This is why democracy is a terrible idea.
The very first question by "the "man in the street," to the layperson had to do with the issue of a "shining light cure," for respiratory illness, such as corona.

Since UV light is a safe and effective treatment, as anyone can see, can we just dispose of your nonsense now?

https://www.google.com/search?q=UV+light+treatment+for+respiratory+illness&rlz=1C1GCEO_en&oq=UV+light+treatment+for+respiratory+illness&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCTEyOTQzajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Nice find.

I mean, it was done after Trump said it but thats not the point.  If it was, why did they say Joe Biden had dimentia?  Surely the answers should have been the same regardless of who said it, no?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 09, 2024, 06:55:50 PM »
Ssoo....
He wants to do a bunch of stuff he can't legally do.  Huh.
He also wants Russia to win.  I thought he was tough on Russia?
He also wants to remove vehicular choices by forcing onky gas powered cars.
He also wants to abolish the Department of Education while also creating a federal academy that everyone is legally required to treat as a bachelor equivilent even tho he returned all educational standards to the state.

Mass deportations sound great until you see we already have that Under Biden.  Record numbers.  Wonder how he'll find em?

Finally, he wants to build freedom cities on federal land?  Like... How would these be anything differenat than normal cities?  Because they'd be under the federal government, which means they can't vote and the feds have full, communist like control?

Me thinks he's a bit contradictory....

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 05, 2024, 03:42:49 PM »
You are correct, I am.

Well, thats a bad ruling.  Means insurrection is ok so long as your party controls congress.

Joe better get impeached, then, so he can be immune to legal issues later.
It means there was not enough evidence to convict Trump of inciting an insurrection.

It means the words incitement and insurrection don't mean what you think they mean.
Despite his party all saying they would vote no to remove before seeing any evidence?
Surely you're trolling.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 05, 2024, 11:01:36 AM »
The ruling from the Supreme effectively buries any talk of Trump participating in an insurrection. Which was just more bullshit spewed by the communists anyway.
No it doesn't.  Did you not read the ruling?
The ruling stated that states can't decide how to implement section 3 on their own.  Only the federal government can.  Nothing about if Trump is or isn't guilty.
Yeah, I did read it. It is up to Congress to determine that. And they already did in the 2nd Impeachment.

Incorrect.
Congress does not determine guilt or innocence.  Otherwise Bill Clinton did nothing wrong.
Trump was acquitted in the 2nd Impeachment.

Congress did not bar Trump from holding a federal office.

So, you are incorrect.

As usual.
You are correct, I am.

Well, thats a bad ruling.  Means insurrection is ok so long as your party controls congress.

Joe better get impeached, then, so he can be immune to legal issues later.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 05, 2024, 09:34:32 AM »
The ruling from the Supreme effectively buries any talk of Trump participating in an insurrection. Which was just more bullshit spewed by the communists anyway.
No it doesn't.  Did you not read the ruling?
The ruling stated that states can't decide how to implement section 3 on their own.  Only the federal government can.  Nothing about if Trump is or isn't guilty.
Yeah, I did read it. It is up to Congress to determine that. And they already did in the 2nd Impeachment.

Incorrect.
Congress does not determine guilt or innocence.  Otherwise Bill Clinton did nothing wrong.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 04, 2024, 09:12:18 PM »
The ruling from the Supreme effectively buries any talk of Trump participating in an insurrection. Which was just more bullshit spewed by the communists anyway.
No it doesn't.  Did you not read the ruling?
The ruling stated that states can't decide how to implement section 3 on their own.  Only the federal government can.  Nothing about if Trump is or isn't guilty.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/28/us-medical-schools-that-dont-charge-tuition.html

TLDR: Rich old woman gives $1 Billion dollars to a medical school.  The medical school is now tuition free for the foreseeable future.

So apparently it takes $1 Billion dollars to make a medical school free for all for a very long time. (I won't say forever because forever is a long time).  Makes you wonder how long it would take to make every medical school in the country tuition free if the US used most of its defense budget on that.

Oh... 1 year.

https://medicalaid.org/how-many-medical-schools-in-us-the-definitive-guide-2023/#:~:text=How%20Many%20Medical%20Schools%20in%20the%20US%3F,existing%20schools%20expand%20their%20programs.

192 medical schools in America.
The defense budget is $842 billion in 2024.
So cutting down by $192 billion and giving to every medical student's tuition would basically end tuition for med students for the forseeable future.

Go figure!  Wonder why they don't do that?

Two major problems:

1. Paying tuition for students doesn't solve the fundamental problem of over-indulgent universities charging too much.
2. The defense budget is driving Pax Americana

The results of your budget plan:

1. Universities become even more greedy since Uncle Sam is paying the bills (they already do this with the GI Bill, suspiciously, most universities have semester hour rates that match the GI Bill maximum payout exactly).
2. Significantly more conflicts break out across the planet and global trade is degraded.

1. This is not a "send us the bill" this is a "we give you $1 billion dollars and you stop charging tuition." Thus they can't overcharge for anything.

2. $192 billion is like 20% of the budget.  And realistically, just divide it up by a few years.  No one's going to realistically notice.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/28/us-medical-schools-that-dont-charge-tuition.html

TLDR: Rich old woman gives $1 Billion dollars to a medical school.  The medical school is now tuition free for the foreseeable future.

So apparently it takes $1 Billion dollars to make a medical school free for all for a very long time. (I won't say forever because forever is a long time).  Makes you wonder how long it would take to make every medical school in the country tuition free if the US used most of its defense budget on that.

Oh... 1 year.

https://medicalaid.org/how-many-medical-schools-in-us-the-definitive-guide-2023/#:~:text=How%20Many%20Medical%20Schools%20in%20the%20US%3F,existing%20schools%20expand%20their%20programs.

192 medical schools in America.
The defense budget is $842 billion in 2024.
So cutting down by $192 billion and giving to every medical student's tuition would basically end tuition for med students for the forseeable future.

Go figure!  Wonder why they don't do that?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: March 02, 2024, 04:14:23 PM »
And therefore not a leader but a spokesman or figurehead.

Wow. Ok, look up the definition of the word "president" as it pertains to our government and get back to me. This isn't the fucking Royal Family we're talking about here.

Yes yes.  He was a leader by legal right.  But just because you're called the boss, doesn't mean you're a leader.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: March 02, 2024, 08:32:14 AM »
Biden just isn’t well enough to be president. He’s not well enough physically or mentally.
Hmm. I dunno about this. To me, one of them (Trump, to avoid ambiguity) has bad intentions, while the other one is "just" in bad health*. We definitely agree that neither is ideal. But, to me, it seems like our options are a comparably healthy person who's actively malicious, and one person who might end up handing power over to another milquetoast Democrat if things get bad enough.

* - if we even accept that narrative to begin with. I honestly don't know if he's any worse than Trump on that front. Recall the hysteria around Trump's health when he was president - and the counter-argument in which his health was declared to be Truly Presidential™ by his doctor.
I'm not sure Trump is actually malicious. He's not trying to take America down from the inside.

Interesting take, that the man who literally led a violent effort to subvert our Democratic process isn't "actually malicious". I'm sure a lot of people who aren't crazy about Trump but can't stomach the thought of 4 more years of Biden are rationalizing things the same way.

It's demonstrably wrong, of course...

He strongly encouraged others to do a thing.  Not really leading, per se.

That being said, maybe he's so delusional with rich man privledge that he honestly thinks he won?

Dave, he was asking for it for months. His followers wouldn't have been there if he hadn't been asking for it. He was the leader of our country, and for a lot of people he held, and still holds, the power of a cult leader, and he encouraged his followers to lead an insurrection to subvert our Democratic process and install him as a dictator.

I can't imagine how it can be argued that he didn't literally lead it.

I'd argue it (weakly) that he's got the leadership skills of a chatbot.  And therefore not a leader but a spokesman or figurehead.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: March 01, 2024, 08:13:56 PM »
Biden just isn’t well enough to be president. He’s not well enough physically or mentally.
Hmm. I dunno about this. To me, one of them (Trump, to avoid ambiguity) has bad intentions, while the other one is "just" in bad health*. We definitely agree that neither is ideal. But, to me, it seems like our options are a comparably healthy person who's actively malicious, and one person who might end up handing power over to another milquetoast Democrat if things get bad enough.

* - if we even accept that narrative to begin with. I honestly don't know if he's any worse than Trump on that front. Recall the hysteria around Trump's health when he was president - and the counter-argument in which his health was declared to be Truly Presidential™ by his doctor.
I'm not sure Trump is actually malicious. He's not trying to take America down from the inside.

Interesting take, that the man who literally led a violent effort to subvert our Democratic process isn't "actually malicious". I'm sure a lot of people who aren't crazy about Trump but can't stomach the thought of 4 more years of Biden are rationalizing things the same way.

It's demonstrably wrong, of course...

He strongly encouraged others to do a thing.  Not really leading, per se.

That being said, maybe he's so delusional with rich man privledge that he honestly thinks he won? 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: March 01, 2024, 11:43:01 AM »
Yeah, see, ask me what I did 5 years ago and I'll look at you with a blank stare.
Even in my prime, I couldn't remember much past a few days.

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