[sleepybadger]

Genuine question.  Why is there no map of the flat earth?  Mathematical and cartographic techniques which allow us to accurately map the world have existed for centuries.  Why is it then that no map exists of a flat earth which accurately depicts the world? 

For example, the map in the wiki shows the Arctic in the centre of the world, with the Antarctic as a ring of ice around the edge, with the continents arranged around the centre.  However, the land masses are completely distorted and simply do not correspond with reality.

If the earth is indeed flat then a map on a 2D object (such as paper, or a screen) should show no distortion, whereas any attempt to depict the world as a 3D object would show significant distortion.

Indeed the converse is true - any attempt to show a map of the world on a 2D surface results in distortions, depending on the projection used.  Distances and areas no longer accurately represent the earth itself.

It is only when a map of the earth is depicted on a sphere does the map correspond with reality.

Which, combined with other data such as flight times and routes, leads to the inescapable conclusion that the earth is, indeed, spherical.  Are there any FE proponents who can explain why this would not be the case?

[inquisitive]

Alternatively, why does the mapping of the earth not show it is flat?

[Tom Bishop]

The methods that have been proposed to us all assume that the spherical coordinates in RET are true.

[sleepybadger]

Hi Tom

I'm sorry, I don't understand your answer. What methods are you referring to?

[Tom Bishop]

Hi Tom

I'm sorry, I don't understand your answer. What methods are you referring to?

We are told to use online distances to "build a map," but the longitude and latitude systems those distances are derived from in navigational equipment are based on a spherical coordinate system.

[inquisitive]

Hi Tom

I'm sorry, I don't understand your answer. What methods are you referring to?

We are told to use online distances to "build a map," but the longitude and latitude systems those distances are derived from in navigational equipment are based on a spherical coordinate system.

Who is telling you and what method would you propose?  Even using flight times would be a good start.

[sleepybadger]

In which case your answer begs the question, why don't you propose an alternative?

For example, why not use standard surveying techniques and trigonometry to map out areas?

[Tom Bishop]

In which case your answer begs the question, why don't you propose an alternative?

For example, why not use standard surveying techniques and trigonometry to map out areas?

Standard surveying techniques use the latitude and longitude system.

[nickrulercreator]

We are told to use online distances to "build a map," but the longitude and latitude systems those distances are derived from in navigational equipment are based on a spherical coordinate system.

And they work.

[StinkyOne]

In which case your answer begs the question, why don't you propose an alternative?

For example, why not use standard surveying techniques and trigonometry to map out areas?

Standard surveying techniques use the latitude and longitude system.

Tom, humans have been making maps of the Earth for a LONG time. You don't need to use modern tools to do this. Isn't it just fair to say that there is a general lack of initiative in your community? It is easy to sit back and throw stones at the modern view of the world, but actually proving the Earth is flat would require a level of commitment that I don't think exists.

[Tom Bishop]

In which case your answer begs the question, why don't you propose an alternative?

For example, why not use standard surveying techniques and trigonometry to map out areas?

Standard surveying techniques use the latitude and longitude system.

Tom, humans have been making maps of the Earth for a LONG time. You don't need to use modern tools to do this. Isn't it just fair to say that there is a general lack of initiative in your community? It is easy to sit back and throw stones at the modern view of the world, but actually proving the Earth is flat would require a level of commitment that I don't think exists.

There is presently a lack of funding for this world mapping venture. If you are prepared to donate, you can paypal the necessary funding for this venture to tom.bishop.enterprises@gmail.com

Thanks.

[StinkyOne]

In which case your answer begs the question, why don't you propose an alternative?

For example, why not use standard surveying techniques and trigonometry to map out areas?

Standard surveying techniques use the latitude and longitude system.

Tom, humans have been making maps of the Earth for a LONG time. You don't need to use modern tools to do this. Isn't it just fair to say that there is a general lack of initiative in your community? It is easy to sit back and throw stones at the modern view of the world, but actually proving the Earth is flat would require a level of commitment that I don't think exists.

There is presently a lack of funding for this world mapping venture. If you are prepared to donate, you can paypal the necessary funding for this venture to tom.bishop.enterprises@gmail.com

Thanks.

Has TFES done any fund raising for the purpose of creating a map? There are certainly a handful of celebrities that support FEH. Perhaps they would donate?  Sadly, I won't be making any donations. We already have highly accurate maps that get us where we need to be on the globe. Don't see much point in recreating the wheel.

[Tom Bishop]

Has TFES done any fund raising for the purpose of creating a map? There are certainly a handful of celebrities that support FEH. Perhaps they would donate?  Sadly, I won't be making any donations. We already have highly accurate maps that get us where we need to be on the globe. Don't see much point in recreating the wheel.

Since you are here asking that certain research is done, which may cost a significant amount of money, then we expect you to put up or shut up.

[inquisitive]

In which case your answer begs the question, why don't you propose an alternative?

For example, why not use standard surveying techniques and trigonometry to map out areas?

Standard surveying techniques use the latitude and longitude system.

Tom, humans have been making maps of the Earth for a LONG time. You don't need to use modern tools to do this. Isn't it just fair to say that there is a general lack of initiative in your community? It is easy to sit back and throw stones at the modern view of the world, but actually proving the Earth is flat would require a level of commitment that I don't think exists.

There is presently a lack of funding for this world mapping venture. If you are prepared to donate, you can paypal the necessary funding for this venture to tom.bishop.enterprises@gmail.com

Thanks.

Please provide details of how you would run this venture and what equipment and resources is required.

[sleepybadger]

Has TFES done any fund raising for the purpose of creating a map? There are certainly a handful of celebrities that support FEH. Perhaps they would donate?  Sadly, I won't be making any donations. We already have highly accurate maps that get us where we need to be on the globe. Don't see much point in recreating the wheel.

Since you are here asking that certain research is done, which may cost a significant amount of money, then we expect you to put up or shut up.

Basic surveying techniques don't involve longitude and latitude. At the simplest level it simply involves measuring the distance between two fixed points and then using basic equipment to map an area using angles and trigonometry. You start with a blank slate and just map out what you see.

In fact, and I'm happy to be proved wrong here, but using an electronic theodolite, measuring vertical and horizontal angles, and plotting the results into a 3D image you would be able to very simply prove the curvature of the earth (or lack of) by surveying no more than a long, thin strip of land.

There are other options - you could map out areas in the northern and southern hemispheres to give yourself an idea as to the shape of the world.
 
If the earth is indeed flat then it can be proven. It can be done relatively inexpensively. It can be verified using other inexpensive methods such as getting your many supporters across the globe to plot the location and angle of the sun at specific times on specific days.

The reasons that you give for not doing this (or anything like this) are very revealing. You claim lack of funds. Fine. Buy why are you not actively fundraising? Why are there no proposals to prove your case? Why do you insist that everyone else does your research for you? You are the ones challenging the existing viewpoint.

[AATW]

There is presently a lack of funding for this world mapping venture. If you are prepared to donate, you can paypal the necessary funding for this venture to tom.bishop.enterprises@gmail.com

Thanks.

Of course there is. It's already been done. The world has been mapped.
The airline industry and cruise line industry get us all around reliably and on time (most of the time).
Clearly the existing maps work. What other work is needed?

[inquisitive]

There is presently a lack of funding for this world mapping venture. If you are prepared to donate, you can paypal the necessary funding for this venture to tom.bishop.enterprises@gmail.com

Thanks.

Of course there is. It's already been done. The world has been mapped.
The airline industry and cruise line industry get us all around reliably and on time (most of the time).
Clearly the existing maps work. What other work is needed?

Let's wait for Tom to explain how he going to achieve his project.

[totallackey]

All maps are already flat.

Why do people continue to ask this non-sensical question?

Maps have a single purpose, in that they serve to help you navigate from point A to point B.

[sleepybadger]

All maps are already flat.

Why do people continue to ask this non-sensical question?

Maps have a single purpose, in that they serve to help you navigate from point A to point B.

Actually maps have a number of purposes.

They show features of geography.

They show the extent of territory and political entities.

They allow you to navigate.

They therefore need to be accurate - otherwise, for example, planes would run out of fuel and fall out of the sky.

More importantly they tell us a lot about the shape of the earth. It's not possible to accurately project the surface of a 3D object onto a 2D plane. There will inevitably be distortion.

Similarly it's not possible to accurately project a 2D image onto a 3D surface. Imagine wrapping a ball with a bit of paper - it crumples up and distorts the image.

But - it is absolutely possible to project a 2D surface onto another 2D surface without any distortion.

So, why can't FE proponents come up with an accurate map of what the flat earth looks like? Why has this never been achieved even accidentally in all the years humans have been mapping our planet?

[totallackey]

All maps are already flat.

Why do people continue to ask this non-sensical question?

Maps have a single purpose, in that they serve to help you navigate from point A to point B.

Actually maps have a number of purposes.

They show features of geography.

They show the extent of territory and political entities.

They allow you to navigate.

They therefore need to be accurate - otherwise, for example, planes would run out of fuel and fall out of the sky.

More importantly they tell us a lot about the shape of the earth. It's not possible to accurately project the surface of a 3D object onto a 2D plane. There will inevitably be distortion.

Similarly it's not possible to accurately project a 2D image onto a 3D surface. Imagine wrapping a ball with a bit of paper - it crumples up and distorts the image.

But - it is absolutely possible to project a 2D surface onto another 2D surface without any distortion.

So, why can't FE proponents come up with an accurate map of what the flat earth looks like? Why has this never been achieved even accidentally in all the years humans have been mapping our planet?

How do you know it has not been done?