[Rama Set]

Where did I say that you supported Hillary Clinton? Learn to read.

Like reading the definition of platform?

I don't care which liberal loser is your favorite. You are a part of the liberal movement who whine and pander in favor of the Democrat and liberal politics based on race baiting, sexism, and the like.

Oh wow, another general statement that reflects your emotions and not reality. How exciting.

Like Hillary Clinton, you present no compelling platform which can catch populous appeal. This is why Trump won in 2016, and why he's going to win again. The rants here against Trump mean nothing if you have no compelling platform that people are excited to vote for.

I dunno, I think Romney is going to win. How about you?

[Tumeni]

Like Hillary Clinton, you present no compelling platform which can catch populous appeal. This is why Trump won in 2016, and why he's going to win again. The rants here against Trump mean nothing if you have no compelling platform that people are excited to vote for.

Trump was asked twice, by two different interviewers, what his plans for his second term were, and he failed to come up with anything of substance.

In recent days, he was caught in a lie saying that Biden's plans included defunding the police. He insisted this was in Biden's "charter". The interviewer said not. Trump called for a copy of the charter, leafed through it, but could find none of what he claimed Biden was proposing. And this was a Fox News interviewer.

He's now played over 365 rounds of golf in what is not quite a four-year term; that's a year of his presidency in which he has essentially vacationed. One quarter of his term. There's a global pandemic raging, there are widespread protests against police brutality, and he, within the last 24 hours, was golfing.

What IS his "compelling platform"? Do tell. Is it to act as a promotional shill for Goya?   

[Tumeni]

What is wrong is being a slimy politician who sells out the country and trades bribes for favors.

So, in recent days, the CEO of Goya said in public that he was "blessed" to have a leader like Trump.

Within a day or so, Ivanka Trump is seen posing with a can of Goya beans. Daddy is seen the next day, in the Oval Office, with an array of Goya product spread out on the desk in front of him, grinning like a Cheshire Cat.

Slimy as feck.

Also, anyone who truly wanted to change the country for the better would have heavily promoted and backed Donald Trump, who built his campaign around ending corruption in American politics and getting jobs back to the country.

So, how did that work out for him, then?

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Donald Trump has unified America – against him
Robert Reich

The president’s assault on decency has created an emerging coalition, across boundaries of race, class and partisan politics

Donald Trump is on the verge of accomplishing what no American president has ever achieved – a truly multi-racial, multi-class, bipartisan political coalition so encompassing it could realign US politics for years to come.
Trump's 2020 strategy: paint Joe Biden as a puppet for the 'radical left'
Unfortunately for Trump, that coalition has come into existence to prevent him from having another term in office.
Start with race. Rather than fuel his base, Trump’s hostility toward people protesting the police killing of George Floyd and systemic racism has pulled millions of white Americans closer to black Americans. More than half of whites now say they agree with the ideas expressed by the Black Lives Matter movement, and more white people support than oppose protests against police brutality. To a remarkable degree, the protests themselves have been biracial.

Even many former Trump voters are appalled by Trump’s racism, as well as his overall moral squalor. According to a recent New York Times/Sienna College poll, more than 80% of people who voted for Trump in 2016 but won’t back him again in 2020 think he “doesn’t behave the way a president ought to act” – a view shared by 75% of registered voters across battleground states which will make all the difference in November.

A second big unifier has been Trump’s attacks on our system of government. Americans don’t particularly like or trust government but almost all feel some loyalty toward the constitution and the principle that no person is above the law.
Trump’s politicization of the justice department, attacks on the rule of law, requests to other nations to help dig up dirt on his political opponents, and evident love of dictators – especially Vladimir Putin – have played badly even among diehard conservatives.

Refugees from the pre-Trump GOP along with “Never Trumper” Republicans who rejected him from the start are teaming up with groups such as Republican Voters Against Trump, Republicans for the Rule of Law, the Lincoln Project and 43 Alumni for Biden, which comprises former officials of George W Bush’s (the 43rd president) administration. The Lincoln Project has produced dozens of hard-hitting anti-Trump ads, many running on Fox News.

The third big unifier has been Trump’s catastrophic mishandling of the pandemic. Many who might have forgiven his personality defects and authoritarian impulses can’t abide his bungling of a public health crisis that threatens their lives and loved ones.
In a poll released last week, 62% said Trump was “hurting rather than helping” efforts to combat Covid-19. Fully 78% of those who supported him in 2016 but won’t vote for him again disapprove of his handling of the pandemic. Voters in swing states like Texas, Florida and Arizona – now feeling the brunt of the virus – are telling pollsters they won’t vote for Trump.
Although the reasons for joining the anti-Trump coalition have little to do with Joe Biden, Trump’s presumed challenger, the Democrat may still become a transformational president. That’s less because of his inherent skills than because Trump has readied America for transformation.

... the breadth of the anti-Trump coalition is a remarkable testament to Donald Trump’s capacity to inspire disgust.

Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good. His new book, The System: Who Rigged It, How We Fix It, is out now. He is a columnist for Guardian US

Edited from (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/19/donald-trump-presidential-election-joe-biden-coronavirus-pandemic)

[Rama Set]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/roger-stone-calls-black-radio-host-racial-slur-air-n1234303

This is Trump's guy.  Tom bawwwws about race baiting, and this is the guy whose sentence Trump commuted.

[Tom Bishop]

Like reading the definition of platform?

Wrong. Your liberal sources even themselves refer to it as the identity politics platform in the sources I provided.

Goya. Slimey.

Taking a picture with a guest or their product isn't corruption. That's called an endorsement.

Timeline of events:

Trump hosts event with Hispanic leaders to improve educational opportunities for Hispanics. -> Hispanic food company Goya endorses Trump. ->  Leftists throw a fit that a Hispanic company is endorsing Trump. -> Leftists attempt to boycott and Cancel Goya. -> Trump endorses Goya.

This is nonsense, and this boycott is actually more race baiting from the left:

[Tom Bishop]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/roger-stone-calls-black-radio-host-racial-slur-air-n1234303

This is Trump's guy.  Tom bawwwws about race baiting, and this is the guy whose sentence Trump commuted.

You did it again, MORE race baiting from you, on some ridiculous non-issue.

Roger Stone is 67 year old. Were you a more knowledgeable person you would know that Negro has been a politically correct word for black person, especially for older generations.



Maybe that word is bad in whatever socialist liberal enclave you inhabit.

Ferris.edu -

Q: Senator Harry Reid got in trouble for referring to President Obama as a "light skinned" African American with "no Negro dialect." What's the big deal with using the word Negro? Last time I checked there was a United Negro College Fund run by blacks.

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It can be challenging for institutions and older people, who have seen racial terms come and go during their lifetimes, to adapt. The NAACP, founded in 1909, declined to change its name during the DuBois revolution but did stop using colored in all other contexts. Negro History Week, begun in 1926, changed to Black History Month in 1976. The United Negro College Fund is now trying to emphasize its initials rather than its full name. The last time the Supreme Court used the word Negro outside quotation marks or citations to other scholarship was in 1985. The writer was Justice Thurgood Marshall, the first black Supreme Court justice, who came of age during the time of DuBois. Despite public outcry, the U.S. Census still includes the word Negro, because many older people still use it.

We have a Negro College Fund, and many Negro references.

You are whining (that's all you seem to do) and creating petty attempts at character assassination (again, all you seem capable of) with an argument equivalent to someone who lived through 2020 referring to someone as a "black person" in the year 2040 where some people think that the phrase "black person" is now offensive.

[Rama Set]

Like reading the definition of platform?

Wrong. Your liberal sources even themselves refer to it as the identity politics platform in the sources I provided.

You are moving the goalposts. You said her platform was some version of “Vote for me, I’m a woman”. That was not her platform unless you are misusing the word platform.

[Rama Set]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/roger-stone-calls-black-radio-host-racial-slur-air-n1234303

This is Trump's guy.  Tom bawwwws about race baiting, and this is the guy whose sentence Trump commuted.

You did it again, MORE race baiting from you, on some ridiculous non-issue.

Roger Stone is 67 year old. Were you a more knowledgeable person you would know that Negro has been a politically correct word for black person, especially for older generations.



Maybe that word is bad in whatever socialist liberal enclave you inhabit.

Negro hasn't been socially acceptable for decades.  Are you telling me in 30-ish years Roger Stone hasn't figured that out?  If you believe that, I have a candidate for you to vote for in 2020.

The real point is that he was playing identity politics.  He didn't want to "speak to this negro".  Being black had nothing to do with the substance of the interview.  That is exactly the disingenuousness conservatives accuse the left of; inserting race in to a conversation where it has no place.  Unless it was just racism which brings us to his tweet...

"I'm nobody's NEGRO" [sic]

What a strange thing for a white guy to write.  Obviously no one would mistake Roger Stone as black, so why protest that he was a black person who wasn't owned by anybody?  It certainly evokes imagery of slavery.  It's also vaguely similar to a 2017 documentary titled "I Am Not Your Negro" which was about the black experience in the USA.  Why would Roger Stone want to reference that?  It is very strange, but one plausible theory is that he didn't like being called out for using the word negro, and instead of just venting to confidantes, or publicly presenting a defense of the usage as you badly attempted, he tweeted something that will only help to widen the disparity between tribes on the matters of race in the USA.  This is textbook race baiting.

Now, instead of instead of trying insult my knowledge or calling me a whiner, why don't you address these points?

[Tom Bishop]

Negro hasn't been socially acceptable for decades.  Are you telling me in 30-ish years Roger Stone hasn't figured that out?  If you believe that, I have a candidate for you to vote for in 2020.

Nope. It's just you and your racist ideas of what is and is not currently racist.

CNN - What's in a name? 'Mixed,' 'biracial,' 'black'

My students at the University of Michigan were eager to denounce the term's use: "Negro? It has to go!" To their ears, "Negro" was derogatory, too close in tone to the other, more infamous n-word. I played devil's advocate, to test their thinking: "But some black elders still self-identify as Negroes." "It's preferable to its predecessor, colored."

"Don't some of you belong to the National Council of Negro Women chapter?"

I could not shake their thought. I was confronting a generational divide. For my grandmother, "Negro" was a term of respect. To my students, it was an epithet.

Older black people still self identify as Negro. It was originally a term of pride.

The real point is that he was playing identity politics.  He didn't want to "speak to this negro".  Being black had nothing to do with the substance of the interview.  That is exactly the disingenuousness conservatives accuse the left of; inserting race in to a conversation where it has no place.  Unless it was just racism which brings us to his tweet...

"I'm nobody's NEGRO" [sic]

What a strange thing for a white guy to write.  Obviously no one would mistake Roger Stone as black, so why protest that he was a black person who wasn't owned by anybody?  It certainly evokes imagery of slavery.  It's also vaguely similar to a 2017 documentary titled "I Am Not Your Negro" which was about the black experience in the USA.  Why would Roger Stone want to reference that?  It is very strange, but one plausible theory is that he didn't like being called out for using the word negro, and instead of just venting to confidantes, or publicly presenting a defense of the usage as you badly attempted, he tweeted something that will only help to widen the disparity between tribes on the matters of race in the USA.  This is textbook race baiting.

Now, instead of instead of trying insult my knowledge or calling me a whiner, why don't you address these points?

Nope. That was not Roger Stone's tweet. I would suggest reading the liberal articles you derive your education from more closely.

[Rama Set]

Negro hasn't been socially acceptable for decades.  Are you telling me in 30-ish years Roger Stone hasn't figured that out?  If you believe that, I have a candidate for you to vote for in 2020.

Nope. It's just you and your racist ideas of what is and is not currently racist.

Uhhhmmmm... no where does it say that the term is currently acceptable.  Now why do you think my ideas are racist and why do you ignore Roger Stone inserting race in to the conversation where it had no place and why is it ok for a Trump surrogate to play identity politics, but for a liberal it's a sin?

What a strange thing for a white guy to write.  Obviously no one would mistake Roger Stone as black, so why protest that he was a black person who wasn't owned by anybody?  It certainly evokes imagery of slavery.  It's also vaguely similar to a 2017 documentary titled "I Am Not Your Negro" which was about the black experience in the USA.  Why would Roger Stone want to reference that?  It is very strange, but one plausible theory is that he didn't like being called out for using the word negro, and instead of just venting to confidantes, or publicly presenting a defense of the usage as you badly attempted, he tweeted something that will only help to widen the disparity between tribes on the matters of race in the USA.  This is textbook race baiting.

Now, instead of instead of trying insult my knowledge or calling me a whiner, why don't you address these points?

Nope. That was not Roger Stone's tweet. I would suggest reading the liberal articles you derive your education from more closely.

Fair enough.  I am going to do something I have never seen you do.

I was wrong.

[Lord Dave]

I like how Tom's defense is that the word is in names created 60+ years ago and says they are acceptable now because they are still used in the name.


Times change.  Language changes.  Negro is no longer accepted and since Roger wasn't referencing a well known group name with the word Negro in it, I'm hard pressed to see how old names matter.

He was clearly using a term that is out dated.  A sign if his age, sure, but racist none the less.

[Rama Set]

I don't even buy the age argument.  This is a guy who was a teenager when the civil rights movement was happening and in his 20s when the word was falling out of favor.  By the 80s it was definitely not acceptable, and he would have been in his 30s.  Plenty of time for him to change, I am in my 40s and continue to change the words I use as well.  It isn't that hard with a modicrum of self-awareness.  I think it's more likely that he didn't think the microphone was picking him up and he let his freak flag fly.  I am not sure about that of course, but the point stands that he was injecting race in to a conversation for no reason.

[Tom Bishop]

Old people don't regularly change their language for young people. You are mistaken that younger generations dictate how the English language is used, or which group sets the terms.

At no point did everyone declare or agree that Negro was universally offensive.

The Washington Post is pretty confused if Negro is actually offensive or not. A 2018 article is titled:

A California state park’s name sparks a debate: Is the word ‘Negro’ offensive?

How could there be a debate in 2018 if it's a universally offensive word as you claim?

Wikipedia article on Negro, first paragraph:

In the English language, Negro (plural Negroes) is a term historically used to denote persons considered to be of Negroid heritage.[1] The term can be construed as offensive, inoffensive, or completely neutral, largely depending on the region or country where it is used.

"It can be offensive, inoffensive, or completely neutral"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Negro

Ne·​gro | \ ˈnē-(ˌ)grō  \
plural Negroes
Definition of Negro (Entry 1 of 2)
dated, now sometimes offensive
: a member of a race of humankind native to Africa and classified according to physical features (such as dark skin pigmentation)

"Sometimes offensive"

Sounds  more like attempted race baiting on something that is still used innocuously to me.

[Rama Set]

Why was he injecting race in to his reference to the interviewer?  He knew his name, his skin color was totally irrelevant until he plopped it on the table. Why is it ok for a Trump surrogate to do it, but when someone outside your tribe does it, it is risible?

[Tom Bishop]

Why was he injecting race in to his reference to the interviewer?  He knew his name, his skin color was totally irrelevant until he plopped it on the table. Why is it ok for a Trump surrogate to do it, but when someone outside your tribe does it, it is risible?

Probably because Mo'Kelly is yet another race baiting black liberal leftist:

"Despite the wonderful special effects, the White soldier hanging out for 3 months on Pandora who manages to single-handedly 'save' the indigenous people 'of color' from technology (who just happened to wear beads, braids/dreadlocks) wasn't exactly appreciated by all African-Americans either." - Mo'Kelly

Also:

"I heard an old man say the word Negro!!!" - Mo'Kelly, paraphrased

[Rama Set]

Why was he injecting race in to his reference to the interviewer?  He knew his name, his skin color was totally irrelevant until he plopped it on the table. Why is it ok for a Trump surrogate to do it, but when someone outside your tribe does it, it is risible?

Probably because Mo'Kelly is yet another race baiting black liberal leftist:

"Despite the wonderful special effects, the White soldier hanging out for 3 months on Pandora who manages to single-handedly 'save' the indigenous people 'of color' from technology (who just happened to wear beads, braids/dreadlocks) wasn't exactly appreciated by all African-Americans either." - Mo'Kelly

Also:

"I heard an old man say the word Negro!!!" - Mo'Kelly, paraphrased

So it's ok to act in ways you disagree with, if the recipient of the behavior is someone you disapprove of.  Thanks for clarifying.

[Tom Bishop]

If he had meant to be racist he would have said the other n-word, not the generic old person PC word for 'black guy'.

I don't want to argue with this negro. = I don't want to argue with this black guy.

Hope that clears it up for you.

[Rama Set]

If he had meant to be racist he would have said the other n-word, not the generic old person PC word for 'black guy'.

I don't want to argue with this negro. = I don't want to argue with this black guy.

Hope that clears it up for you.

I won’t take your obvious speculation seriously but it’s interesting that it’s a total non-sequitur to my last response.

[Lord Dave]

If he had meant to be racist he would have said the other n-word, not the generic old person PC word for 'black guy'.

I don't want to argue with this negro. = I don't want to argue with this black guy.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Pretty sure thats a racist context to.  Since 'guy' would have been exactly as effective.  Adding black or Negro is like me saying "I don't wanna argue with this white guy." Its pointless except to draw attention to the person's race.

[Rama Set]

Now Stone is denying having said it because it’s totally fine that he said it.