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Flat Earth Theory / Gravimeter
« on: November 24, 2017, 05:20:20 AM »
If the FE belief in UA (Universal Acceleration) is accurate, why would anyone have invented this device?

Seems like a rather obscure device to have created just to maintain a round Earth conspiracy.

Flat Earth Community / Flat Earth rocket launch this weekend
« on: November 22, 2017, 03:54:32 AM »
How am I the first to mention this? A flat Earth beleiver and self taught rocket maker is launching himself in a homemade rocket this weekend. Says he is expecting to reach 1800 feet of altitude. Don't think there will be much science coming from a flight that low, but he is working his way up to space.

Saw this YouTube video of a amateur high altitude balloon launch. I have seen these things debated before regarding the horizon looking flat, or round, or whatever. There is much depending on the camera and lens and field of view, so I am making no claim either way on this.

What I find interesting about this is the view of the moon, and the sun rise.

The launch was from Santa Nella, CA at 6/21/2016 03:24:38 local time. According to, on that date the sun rise would have been at 05:48 and the moon would have been one day past full.

In the video, the full moon can be seen before the sun rises. Being just past full, it is oriented in the opposite side of the sky from the sun (once it rises). Even though the moon is nearly as far from the sun as possible, we can clearly see that the sun is lighting the moon, but we can not see the sun. Just as expected on round Earth, not possible on flat Earth.

The sun rise is seen at 05:06 on the video. This is 41 minutes earlier than predicted by At a higher altitude the sun rise would be earlier, just as expected on round Earth, not possible on flat Earth.

The sun rises above the horizon. At altitude there is nothing to block the view to explain how the sun came above some imagined vanishing point.

This all makes sense on a round Earth. Video links are below.

Full video

The full video is over two hours long. Here are some shortcut links/

Example of view of moon, pre sun rise
Sun rise
Example of view of moon, post sun rise

Flat Earth Theory / FE orbit of planets
« on: November 02, 2017, 12:04:54 AM »
The TFES wiki has an article about planets. It claims that while the sun orbits the hub of the Earth (I guess that means the center we see as the north pole) and that the planets in turn orbit the sun. It also says that the retrograde motion that we see in the path of the planets across the sky is because of the combined motion of the planet orbiting the sun and the sun orbiting the north pole.

It doesn't explicitly say this, but to me that seems to imply that the orbits of all the visible planets have similar orbits to the diagram on the page, putting their orbits within the distance from the north pole/hub to the sun. Is this understanding correct?

Very exciting observation! Although I'm sure some here will pass it off as just another expansion of the vast conspiracy.

Flat Earth Theory / The vanishing point
« on: October 05, 2017, 04:17:47 PM »
I have read the wiki article on sunsets.

I have a question for Tom Bishop on this topic. Why is the vanishing point only relevant at the horizon?

From the wiki:
...since man cannot perceive infinity due to human limitations, the perspective lines are modified and placed a finite distance away from the observer as so: (diagram omitted)

This finite distance to the vanishing point is what allows ships to ascend into horizon...

Why wouldn't the converging perspective lines apply in all directions equally?

Flat Earth Theory / Why just water?
« on: October 03, 2017, 06:02:29 AM »
I frequently see comments with the author sharing a disbelief that water could be retained on a "spinning ball". Why is the focus always on water? Why not planes, people and atmosphere, etc.  also?

Flat Earth Theory / Hurricane Irma photo from ISS
« on: September 11, 2017, 03:46:04 AM »
Great picture here of Irma from ISS

From web page

I like this pic since it contains curvature of Earth and straight lines along the solar panels on the right side.

Is the FET explanation to dismiss this as yet another NASA forgery? If so I'm curious, if there is a widely held opinion that all of the images from space of the hurricane are believed to be forged. Anyone who believes this must think NASA has a pretty vast group of CGI artists working around the clock faking up all these images with three major hurricanes over the recent weeks.

Flat Earth Theory / Viewing angle to sun at sunrise, sunset
« on: September 06, 2017, 04:22:47 PM »
I have seen the FE animation with the sun&moon spinning around the north pole with a circle of lighted area beneath the sun. I am trying to look at a specific spot on the globe into order to judge the angle to the sun from that point when the terminator line crosses and that spot becomes dark in the evening.

The animations I have seen are of small scale, and I can get a general idea of the direction. I wish to find something more specific. Where is there a resource for this information? I want to enter a location and date in order to get the compass direction to the sunrise/sunset and the times for that date/location. Basically looking for something based on the math behind the map, rather than just the animation.

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