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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2023, 04:47:08 PM »
Is there a LGBTQ agenda? Sure. There is an agenda to be more accepted in society, and it's a direct response to the other side's anti-LGBTQ agenda, which has existed for centuries. If it wasn't for certain people working to demonize gay bi trans and queer people and systematically working to take away our rights as human beings it wouldn't be necessary and it wouldn't exist. If some groups have taken it too far that's a shame but obviously Tom's cherry-picked examples don't represent the mainstream.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2023, 05:34:49 PM »
Yes, it is a mainstream phenomena. There is a mainstream phenomena which has built up and has resulted in 20% of Gen Z claiming to be LGBTQ.



Here is another source with similar figures: Poll: Nearly 20% of Gen Z say they identify as LGBTQ - "When Gallup broke down the results to other age groups, the rate of LGBTQ identification was 11.2% among millennials and 3.3% or less among older generations."
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2023, 06:04:16 PM »
Yes, it is a mainstream phenomena. There is a mainstream phenomena which has built up and has resulted in 20% of Gen Z claiming to be LGBTQ.
Hmm.. Gen Z makes up about 20% of the population.  So 20% of 20%, or about 4%, of the population claims to be LGBTQ.  I'm not sure about you, but 4% doesn't sound mainstream to me.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2023, 06:11:22 PM »
Tom Bishop, if I understand you correctly, you're implying that it's possible to turn someone gay through indoctrination. Like how? Hypersexualization? I've personally experienced being in a hypersexual state before and it was all straight stuff. The only time I felt SLIGHTLY homosexual was when I took a big hit of pure MDMA when I was partying a lot in one of the most well-known partying spots in the world. And that was just a fleeting feeling, I didn't even remotely act on it. ::)

When I say that there's definitely a gender bender agenda going on, I'm talking about feminization and masculinization, not homosexuality. But ok, maybe the argument is that they go hand in hand? I still don't see how it's possible to turn someone gay through indoctrination, though.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2023, 06:56:54 PM »
Yes, it is a mainstream phenomena. There is a mainstream phenomena which has built up and has resulted in 20% of Gen Z claiming to be LGBTQ.



Here is another source with similar figures: Poll: Nearly 20% of Gen Z say they identify as LGBTQ - "When Gallup broke down the results to other age groups, the rate of LGBTQ identification was 11.2% among millennials and 3.3% or less among older generations."

Tom, I never said that the LGBTQ agenda isn't mainstream, I said that teachers showing their students various anal sex techniques, or how to pleasure themselves with a carrot (make sure the end is smoothed down and not pointy, for example), isn't mainstream.

What you're showing here is not an indication that more people are turning gay, it's an indication that people are getting more comfortable with who they really are. It's a sign that LGBTQ people feel more accepted. Which is exactly what the agenda is trying to accomplish.

The idea that the kinds of things the Left is doing to increase acceptance is actively making kids gay or want to be another gender is patently absurd, not borne out by the evidence, and exactly the kind of demonizing that your people have pushed for centuries, and led to the necessity of the LGBTQ agenda.

Y'all brought this on yourselves, sorry to say.  :(
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2023, 08:36:51 PM »
The problem with defending this LGBT propaganda and sexual content is that its defenders assume that the children are as rational as adults. Children are not adults. They are not capable or rational thought or deep introspection. Hypersexualizing children and indoctrinating them with LGBT propaganda clearly affects them. Today children are taught with fun and colorful imagery at a young age that being gay makes you super special, and is a matter of celebration.

This isn't merely education that LGBT people exist. This is clearly propaganda which goes to lengths to paint it as cool, adventurous, joyous, etc. Children's content is replete with smiling people having fun, messages that they should be wowed that someone is gay, wowed at the concept of gayness, with an underlying implication that it's something they should aspire to be too, all before they have a grasp of human sexuality.



If you are queer, you are a hero:



If you are Transgender, you are awesome:



Pinks is a boys color:



Crossdressing is awesome:

"Can Molly find the courage to follow her heart and get her mom to realize just how awesome she'd look in a tux?" (source)



Being LGBT is amazing fun, look how much fun this girl/person is having:



If the goal was to educate children, they would simply be sterilely informed that gay people exist as a textbook matter. What they are doing is promotion, not education.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2023, 08:48:02 PM »
Yeah, but how much cherrypicking is that, I wonder? Obviously all that gets amplified by conservative outlets / voices, because that's how politics works these days. It's outrage culture in full effect.

Other than that, simply don't buy your children those books lol. There are plenty of books that are garbage, that's not a books for kids thing only.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2023, 09:09:03 PM »
The problem with defending this LGBT propaganda and sexual content is that the counter-arguments assume that the children are as rational as adults. Children are not adults. They are not capable or rational thought or deep introspection. Hypersexualizing children and indoctrinating them with LGBT propaganda clearly affects them. Today children are taught with fun and colorful imagery at a young age that being gay makes you super special, and is a matter of celebration.

Again, this idea that children are being hypersexualized as a result of the agenda is false. You just cherry-pick the most extreme examples that you can find and represent them as mainstream (a gimmick the Right has been using since before Rush's heyday) which they most definitely are not.

If children are being taught with "fun and colorful imagery" that it's okay to be gay (not that being gay makes you super-special, again that's clearly not happening in any kind of mainstream context), it's because fun and colorful imagery is what children respond to. It's not evidence of some nefarious plot to make more gay people. What a silly and absurd notion.

And really, a child's lack of intellectual development has nothing to do with this. Again you are under the weird impression that people make a conscious choice to be gay. That doesn't happen. In my generation it often wasn't wanted and led to shame and hiding, even misguided and futile attempts to change. Thank God the LGBTQ agenda is finally showing results that suggest it's fixing that.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2023, 09:32:10 PM »
I mean, if they tried to make me gay as a kid I would just laugh at them. That's what I did when they tried to make me a Christian.

And it's not even comparable because I'm pretty sure that you're born straight if you're straight and that's it. One of my childhood friends was always gay since as far back as I can remember, and no one was telling him or forcing him to be gay, and he wasn't gaining any social points either. In fact, he was in the closet for a long time.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2023, 09:45:45 PM »
Nope. It's not cherrypicked. It's a growing phenomenon which is seen in mass-market and which schools have been embracing. See what is happening with this curriculum in Canada:
 


"the Sogi curriculum
started in British Columbia in 2016 and
is quickly spreading throughout Canada"



On the Sogi site it clams to be present in some capacity in 60 of 60 school districts in Canada https://www.sogieducation.org/results



Canada has 60 school districts - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_districts_in_British_Columbia - "This is a list of school districts in British Columbia. British Columbia in Canada is divided into 60 school districts which administer publicly funded education until the end of grade 12 in local areas or, in the case of francophone education, across the province."

The Sogi site in the above link claims to have 2500+ "Sogi leads", presumably administrators or educators in various schools in Canada who have embraced the curriculum.



With this kind of network there are clearly tens of thousands of children in Canada being affected by this one LGBT organization alone.

Canada has about 10,100 elementary schools, for comparison.

Back to the video, it demonstrates that they are using teaching aids such as the 10,000 Dresses children book:



https://www.amazon.com/10-000-Dresses-Marcus-Ewert/dp/1583228500

Book description: "Every night, Bailey dreams about magical dresses: dresses made of crystals and rainbows, dresses made of flowers, dresses made of windows. . . . Unfortunately, when Bailey's awake, no one wants to hear about these beautiful dreams. Quite the contrary. "You're a BOY!" Mother and Father tell Bailey. "You shouldn't be thinking about dresses at all." Then Bailey meets Laurel, an older girl who is touched and inspired by Bailey's imagination and courage. In friendship, the two of them begin making dresses together. And Bailey's dreams come true!"

The boy's dreams came true! This is clearly a propaganda book to paint crossdressing in a positive light, taught in a Canadian classroom in a curriculum which is described in the video and on the organization's website itself to have spread all throughout Canada in growing popularity. Many other schools or districts decide on their own to stock these types of books without joining an organized network like this.

The video goes on to describe that children complain about being confused about their gender.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2023, 11:01:42 PM »
Ok, thanks for the info. One more reason to get your kids the hell out of there if you have them. Or one more reason to not have them lol.

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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2023, 11:08:10 PM »
According to an organization called the Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty these are not isolated incidents. Teacher's universities are instructing teachers in their education programs to teach these things to young children:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/08/16/public-school-teachers-told-to-indoctrinate-kids-as-young-as-three-in-radical-lgbt-theory/

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“There’s a huge amount of liberal indoctrination going on,” the report’s author, Will Flanders, told “Washington Watch” guest host Joseph Backholm on Monday. “We found it across every public university in the state that has an education program.”

Flanders, the research director at the Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty, performed a wide-ranging records search across all public universities in Wisconsin that teach education. He and co-author Dylan Palmer asked for the syllabus, assignments, and reading list for education courses—the classes future teachers needed to pass in order to teach in the state’s public schools.

The 44-page report found that many of these courses begin by defining biblical morality as beyond the pale. The “Multicultural Education” course at the University of Wisconsin at Superior forces students to take the “Human Relations Attitude Inventory,” which asks how strongly students agree with such statements as: “Homosexuality is unnatural because it is contrary to human nature”; “We should not notice differences in people’s skin color”; and “Whites are just as likely to be victims of racism as racial minorities”—all of which the course intends for students to reject.

Once the university changes students’ personal morality, it instructs them to begin introducing radical gender theory to children as young as three. At UW-Whitewater, students read a chapter titled “Just Another Gay Day in the Campus Three-Year-Old Room,” which tells students to include LGBTQ “lessons with a three-year-old day care center.”

At UW-Green Bay, would-be pedagogues must read the book “Safe Is Not Enough: Better Schools for LGBTQ Students” by Michael Sadowski, which the report explains “argues that teachers must bring conversation about gender and sexual identity into the classroom, encourage advocacy, and foster the LGBTQ identification of young students.”

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“When we’re looking for the origins of the stuff that we are seeing in our classroom today, what we’re learning here is it’s not just teachers organically coming up with this stuff themselves,” explained Flanders. “Instead, it’s the process that’s been going on for years and years throughout their entire education.”

Disturbing.

Another look at news articles from the last couple of years seems to show that many schools are on board with an indoctrination agenda.

November 2022 - Maryland school district unveils LGBTQ book list that teaches words 'intersex,' 'drag queen' to pre-K students

May 2022 - North Carolina preschool uses LGBT flashcards depicting a pregnant man to teach kids colors

April 2022 - Washington state, Oregon teach kindergartners 'there are many ways to express gender'

May 2022 - CO mom says middle school invited her daughter to secret LGBTQ club, told students to keep info from parents

May 2022 - School attempts to hide student's gender transition from parents, pushes LGBTQ+ content for middle schoolers

May 2022 - Seven books that show NYC is pushing transgenderism, LGBTQ+ curriculum to kids as young as kindergarten

June 2022 - Oregon school district books contain pornographic imagery of sex acts, according to portal - An Oregon mom pulled her children out of school over what she called 'indoctrination'

August 2022 - School district that removed LGBT books from library hit with civil rights investigation

October 2022 - California Christian Teacher Fired for Refusing to Read LGBT Books to Children

December 2022 - Parents accuse school of secretly indoctrinating 8-year-olds in trans ideology: 'Shocked and horrified' - The school read a children's book to young students that claimed some 3-year-olds can be 'non-binary'

March 2023 - I was a public school teacher and I'm blowing the whistle on transgenderism before its too late - Those who are aware of what's happening in our schools are obligated to blow the whistle

April 2023 - School allows reading of LGBT book to second-graders - Despite state law requiring parental consent

April 2023 - Teacher caught berating kids who object to LGBTQ lesson with severe threat: 'You don't have a choice'

May 2023 - Parents sue Maryland’s largest school district for not letting kids opt out of LGBT book readings
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2023, 11:26:25 PM »
One of the things that shocked me about the SOGI website was how a message popped up asking for donations to "Help protect the freedoms of 2SLGBTQ+ youth this PRIDE month!". Like what in Satan's name is 2SLGBTQ+? Could they even say 2SLGBTQIA+ and get away with it? Sounds like something Elon would come up with as a name for his child.

It definitely seems worse than I thought, I'll give you that.

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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2023, 01:59:16 AM »
There's something very weird about the assumption that being gay is inherently sexual, but being straight is normal and non-sexual. That always seems to be taken for granted by these "protect the children" anti-LGBT crusader types, although they usually know better than to spell it out explicitly. If kids can learn about straight people and straight relationships via their lessons and readings - and they do - then there's no reason why they can't learn about gay people too.
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« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2023, 05:46:29 AM »
It’s because it’s an emotional argument that must be disguised as a logical one.
There is no reason why kids can see a Disney princess kiss a Disney prince AOK, but a similar scene replaced with a Disney Prince kissing another Disney prince becomes bad.

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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2023, 09:48:07 AM »
The only person here trying to claim that there is no LGBT agenda here is AllAroundTheWorld, who believes that the teaching of sex techniques is new to to the school system
It is new. Was Abraham Lincoln taught about any sexual techniques?

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but these explicit lessons on anal stimulation is coincidental and has nothing to do with the recent rash of LGBT inclusion and mandates.
Holy straw man, Batman!
Of course it's not coincidental. As homosexuality has become accepted lessons have become more inclusive.
And there is definitely a debate to be had about whether kids should be taught any sexual techniques in school.
As Roundy says, there is an LBGTQ agenda to be more accepted in society. Your real issue is you don't believe they should be accepted in society, you've already said you think gay children should be ashamed of who they are.
So you conflate acceptance/inclusion with promotion/indoctrination.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2023, 01:06:11 PM »
Wonder why the hormone therapy being pushed by government is designed to give the person the body the person thinks they have, rather than a hormone therapy designed to set the mind straight with the body that is currently in existence.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2023, 03:09:50 PM »
Wonder why the hormone therapy being pushed by government is designed to give the person the body the person thinks they have, rather than a hormone therapy designed to set the mind straight with the body that is currently in existence.
Because there isn't one.  If there were, we'd be pushing that.  But there isn't a hormone to rewire the brain.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2023, 04:37:25 PM »
Wonder why the hormone therapy being pushed by government is designed to give the person the body the person thinks they have, rather than a hormone therapy designed to set the mind straight with the body that is currently in existence.
Because there isn't one.  If there were, we'd be pushing that.  But there isn't a hormone to rewire the brain.
Who said anything about rewiring? Hormones most certainly play a part in how a person thinks. No need to rewire.
https://drbrighten.com/hormones-affect-brain-health/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6422548/
Seems there is a government agenda.
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Re: There is no LGBT agenda within the government.
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2023, 09:53:48 PM »
Wonder why the hormone therapy being pushed by government is designed to give the person the body the person thinks they have, rather than a hormone therapy designed to set the mind straight with the body that is currently in existence.

Which government is pushing hormone therapy?