the rest is geometry.
If we are not speculating then we must assume
Note that edby is a Round Earther and does not appear to base his numbers in anything other than his own impression of how things "should" be. It is unlikely that any FE'er will speak with too much certainty about long distances at such an early stage of the theory's development.
Quote from: edby on November 04, 2018, 08:20:51 PMthe rest is geometry.The fact that you failed to state (or realise, as you now claim) your assumptions about geometry does not render them anything other than assumptions.
But you yourself don't actually bring anything to the table.
The idea of a flat earth isn't new so there should by all means be plenty of calculations
On that note, I've yet to see any photo evidence of a flat earth either, since everyone claims all photos of the earth from space are fake and cgi etc, that goes both ways. I'd love to see a 360 panoramic photo of a disk that clearly shows all of the continents on it (as much as you can with cloud cover).
If you could a accurately measure the world, which we can, why isn't it obviously a disk?
Quite honestly you also don't need to be a geologist to see stretching on a flat map depiction. It's clearly projected from a sphere
I wonder what's so "clear" about your alleged "projection".
Quote from: MattyWS on November 05, 2018, 05:59:02 PMBut you yourself don't actually bring anything to the table.I'm sorry to hear you feel that way.
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?
Always claim the AE is simply a projection
Quote from: MattyWS on November 05, 2018, 05:59:02 PMIf you could a accurately measure the world, which we can, why isn't it obviously a disk?How have you established this?
You seem to be of the opinion that not knowing something is better than pretending that a wrong answer is right. I respectfully disagree, and will gladly take a series of unknowns over known falsities.
I would say you are one of the more reasonable FE'ers. I am curious how you feel about the old flight times arguments? Its pretty well documented how fast and far flights go so it should be pretty easy to rough in a map even if it has single digit percentage errors. Still better than what we have now
Quote from: TomInAustin on November 05, 2018, 08:16:01 PMI would say you are one of the more reasonable FE'ers. I am curious how you feel about the old flight times arguments? Its pretty well documented how fast and far flights go so it should be pretty easy to rough in a map even if it has single digit percentage errors. Still better than what we have nowThis has been discussed so many times. I was also VERY curious about it. I got all the responses from a flight time superthread. Here's a link:https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.0-Because the angles of a triangle drawn between three flight paths = 180 degrees the earth is flat.-Because the angles of a triangle drawn between three flight paths = 179.99984 degrees the earth is slightly concave.https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg121615#msg121615-Distances between two cities which are far apart is unknownhttps://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg121996#msg121996-Flight GPS systems are inaccurate https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122030#msg122030https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122441#msg122441-GPS systems are based on a round earth therefore will give measurements/distances which support a round earth.-Aircraft are using instruments which assume round earth coordinates which will support a round earth.-There is no flat earth map. -The difference in flight time is based off of flight speed which has yet to be proven.-The airplane speed and range is based off round systems therefore will give speeds and ranges which support a round earthhttps://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122359#msg122359-plane speed measurements are unreliablehttps://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122364#msg122364-there are no flat earth flight programs, systems, GPS etc because the flat earth aircraft navigation fund is nonexistent.https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122369#msg122369-Triangulation as a measurement of distance can be inaccurate because the "known" locations used for triangulation are based on a round earth systemhttps://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122410#msg122410-there are almost an infinite number of continental configurations (If a flight disproves flat earth continental configuration 23985729387592873 you then need to test continental configuration 23985729387592874).-Groundspeed measurement instruments use a round earth coordinate system therefore will give results which support a round earthhttps://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122411#msg122411-proof is needed that mile measurements on a highway are accuratehttps://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122423#msg122423-Google maps is based on a round earth coordinate systemhttps://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122433#msg122433-any navigation system based on longitude and latitude is a round earth navigation system (which is most likely used in all navigation systems)https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122655#msg122655-any map, navigation, or measurement system which uses Latitude and Longitude in any way is inaccuratehttps://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122664#msg122664-That's not the map of the earth (a variant of there is no map of the earth)https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122672#msg122672
This has been discussed so many times. I was also VERY curious about it. I got all the responses from a flight time superthread. Here's a link:https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.0
You guys have been debating these questions, Same exact questions I asked, for more than a year now, and with all evidence and proofs of existing realities FET still are in the dark as to how things work, and are in disbelief and/or denial? mind boggling.
Quote from: iamcpc on November 05, 2018, 10:38:54 PMThis has been discussed so many times. I was also VERY curious about it. I got all the responses from a flight time superthread. Here's a link:https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.0Thanks iam for going through the super thread. Wow, 24 pages and it seems that the FET argument upshot is that the entirety of long haul transport/navigation is based upon the wrong shape of earth and wildly inaccurate. Seems at a minimum, extremely cost prohibitive and downright dangerous.
What's really hilarious is that there is a flat earth model which are supported by known distances, flight times, travel times, shipping times, cartography, navigation etc. Yet any time one of the obviously impossible flat earth models gets weakened in any way by any sort of evidence that evidence is almost instantly called suspect, fake, flawed, impossible etc.
Quote from: iamcpc on November 06, 2018, 04:37:33 PMWhat's really hilarious is that there is a flat earth model which are supported by known distances, flight times, travel times, shipping times, cartography, navigation etc. Yet any time one of the obviously impossible flat earth models gets weakened in any way by any sort of evidence that evidence is almost instantly called suspect, fake, flawed, impossible etc.You mean Google, yes?
Quote from: edby on November 06, 2018, 04:56:22 PMYou mean Google, yes?With hundreds and hundreds of years of experiences in fields like navigation, cartography, traveling, surveying, shipping, solar astronomy etc corroborated by literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people making these trips/measurements/maps/surveys every single year how anyone could possibly claim these distances/directions are incorrect or unknown just baffles my mind.
You mean Google, yes?
Quote from: iamcpc on November 06, 2018, 06:53:19 PMQuote from: edby on November 06, 2018, 04:56:22 PMYou mean Google, yes?With hundreds and hundreds of years of experiences in fields like navigation, cartography, traveling, surveying, shipping, solar astronomy etc corroborated by literally MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people making these trips/measurements/maps/surveys every single year how anyone could possibly claim these distances/directions are incorrect or unknown just baffles my mind.So Google is correct, and the earth itself is flat? We have discussed this a few times before and I have mentioned this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_curvature but you have never responded.