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Teachers deserve low pay
« on: April 24, 2016, 01:08:04 AM »
For my entire life I've heard teachers complain that they get paid far too little for teaching. They are defended by many as heroes who are educating our children, who gave us our own education, and should be paid highly for this.

But what are teachers, really? At the lowest levels, preschool and kindergarten, teachers are little more than babysitters who read children stories. At the elementary, middle, high school, and college level the job role is essentially the same. Teachers remain babysitters who merely read children different books, whether it's a story about Martin Luther King, or about the periodic table. Other authors wrote those books, and did the research behind it. The teacher didn't do any of those things. The teacher is simply repeating the teachings of others. Most of the time they have their students do homework from the book and use exam handouts from the publisher (who graciously does not watermark the handouts). So why do they deserve large amounts of money for what is essentially a babysitting job?

In addition, teachers are frankly the losers of academia. Rather than contributing to an academic profession like their respected counterparts, they are reading stories to children. It's pathetic. Why should they be paid highly for that?
« Last Edit: April 24, 2016, 01:40:48 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2016, 01:34:54 AM »
You're quite right, Tom.  Teachers are lazy, entitled, and paid far too much already.  We should probably just abolish the profession altogether and put them all to work building Trump's wall.

Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2016, 02:10:57 AM »
yeah, take THAT, teachers

good one haha
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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2016, 02:22:23 AM »
I don't agree at all. Of course there are people who are good and bad at their jobs in all professions. But a good teacher is more than a baby sitter. A good teacher lives to see the light bulb turn on over your head. A good teacher wants you to do more than regurgitate information, they want you to understand the information. A good teacher encourages critical thought and creates a discussion rather than an indoctrination.

They may have had academic goals once, other than teaching. They might not have panned out. But many understand the importance of passing the torch, because you never know who the next Nikola Tesla will be. It is truly a selfless profession, and they fact they do it for such low pay and for incredibly long hours attests to that.

Maybe if we reward the good teachers with better pay and benefits, it might encourage the average or bad teacher to try harder to reach some kids that might otherwise never have known what it means to use reason and logic to solve a problem.

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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2016, 02:34:19 AM »
I don't think Tom fully appreciates how awful working with children is

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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2016, 03:13:40 AM »
Many teachers are actually paid pretty well. Most of the "teachers make very little" idea comes from the sphere of teaching public school. Being what is basically a government job, the pay is really low, but the job security is very high. Some find the tradeoff worth it.

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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2016, 06:59:21 AM »
I don't think Tom fully appreciates how awful working with children is

He did refer to teachers as the losers of the academic world, and this is undoubtedly part of the reason why, kind of like how the jizz mopper is like the loser of the porn industry (it's hard to quantify which is worse, working with jizz or working with children...)
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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2016, 10:03:08 AM »
(it's hard to quantify which is worse, working with jizz or working with children...)

Same thing, just at a different stage of development.
when you try to mock anyone while also running the flat earth society. Lol

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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2016, 11:39:42 AM »
(it's hard to quantify which is worse, working with jizz or working with children...)
If you try to work with both at once, you're going to be in a lot of trouble.

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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2016, 02:53:12 PM »
Th*rk'd!
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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2016, 03:05:37 PM »
(it's hard to quantify which is worse, working with jizz or working with children...)
If you try to work with both at once, you're going to be in a lot of trouble.

Not where you live. Working with both at once gets you a parliament position.

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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2016, 08:27:43 PM »
(it's hard to quantify which is worse, working with jizz or working with children...)
If you try to work with both at once, you're going to be in a lot of trouble.

Not where you live. Working with both at once gets you a parliament position.
Speaking of which, could you ask your President to come home. He's come over here talking all kinds of shite and now the British public would like to return your gobshite lame duck.

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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2016, 12:22:35 AM »
(it's hard to quantify which is worse, working with jizz or working with children...)
If you try to work with both at once, you're going to be in a lot of trouble.

Not where you live. Working with both at once gets you a parliament position.
Speaking of which, could you ask your President to come home. He's come over here talking all kinds of shite and now the British public would like to return your gobshite lame duck.

No thanks, you keep him.

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2016, 01:23:30 AM »
He's not really a lame duck until after his election.  Wait, why are we even talking about this?  Thork is terrible.

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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2016, 02:33:19 AM »
So Tom had a shitty education; this is all starting to make sense.
Th*rk is the worst person on this website.

Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2016, 04:42:28 AM »
Putting aside the debate on whether or not the job is difficult, one could argue that it should be a highly paid position just because of how necessary it is. Even if all a teacher does is regurgitate textbooks (I've seen that happen but it's definitely not the norm, at least not in my experience), people need to be educated some way or another in order for society to work. And even if they were just babysitters, y'know, those kids do need someone to supervise them all day. If we make the parents do it we'd have a catastrophic cutback on the workforce.
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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2016, 02:42:39 PM »
Putting aside the debate on whether or not the job is difficult, one could argue that it should be a highly paid position just because of how necessary it is. Even if all a teacher does is regurgitate textbooks (I've seen that happen but it's definitely not the norm, at least not in my experience), people need to be educated some way or another in order for society to work. And even if they were just babysitters, y'know, those kids do need someone to supervise them all day. If we make the parents do it we'd have a catastrophic cutback on the workforce.

Jobs aren't paid by necessity. In fact, I would say the opposite is true. We need garbage persons, construction crews, truck drivers, etc to make society function. Yet, these people aren't paid that great. Conversely, do we need another programmer at Google? Do we need an all-star quarterback for our home team?

Teachers are people who wanted an easy job with tons of off time. However, once they start it, they realize they are actually working a shitty job with shitty hours for shitty pay. There is a reason why the teaching profession has a ridiculously high abandon rate. It's tough to justify staying when the person waiting tables down the street makes double your pay for half the work.

This is why many colleges are offering online programs now. They eliminate the uselessness of the teacher and require that the student self-teach their courses -- as any good student would have done in the first place. All the teacher does in these classes is grade assignments and tests.

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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2016, 02:54:04 PM »
Putting aside the debate on whether or not the job is difficult, one could argue that it should be a highly paid position just because of how necessary it is.

Jobs aren't paid by necessity. In fact, I would say the opposite is true. We need garbage persons, construction crews, truck drivers, etc to make society function. Yet, these people aren't paid that great. Conversely, do we need another programmer at Google? Do we need an all-star quarterback for our home team?

Oh, I know they aren't. I'm saying they should be :P Garbage persons, construction crews, truck drivers, and teachers all deserve higher pay than entertainers. Although that can't really be helped since oftentimes entertainers' income is at least in part determined by people choosing to pay for their entertainment.

Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2016, 03:13:30 PM »
i learned something fine on my own once

therefore teachers are literally worthless
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Re: Teachers deserve low pay
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2016, 03:20:25 PM »
No, wages aren't necessarily driven by necessity (although blue collar work is much better paying than people generally think), but they are driven by qualifications - and clearly the US has a massive problem with lowly qualified teachers. They don't require master's degree education and studies in child psychology like many top ranking countries in public education do. Instead they get by with little to no qualifications, get paid accordingly, and is seen by the public to be a shitty profession when they don't get good results. There's no mystery in why the US time and time again ranks as one of the worst first world countries in education and why certain countries retain their top positions. It's because you don't hire teachers that are actually qualified for the position and then you treat them like shit.

If you think teachers deserve low pay, you are essentially tacitly admitting that your children deserve poor education.