[markjo]

Why are we spending trillions of dollars fighting ISIL and al-Qaeda over seas when we have plenty of domestic terrorists right here at home?

CHARLESTON, S.C. — A white gunman opened fire Wednesday night at a historic black church in downtown Charleston, S.C., killing nine people before fleeing and setting off an overnight manhunt, the police said.

At a news conference with Charleston’s mayor early Thursday, the police chief, Greg Mullen, called the shooting a hate crime.

“It is unfathomable that somebody in today’s society would walk into a church while they are having a prayer meeting and take their lives,” he said.

[Tau]

Why are we spending trillions of dollars fighting ISIL and al-Qaeda over seas when we have plenty of domestic terrorists right here at home?

CHARLESTON, S.C. — A white gunman opened fire Wednesday night at a historic black church in downtown Charleston, S.C., killing nine people before fleeing and setting off an overnight manhunt, the police said.

At a news conference with Charleston’s mayor early Thursday, the police chief, Greg Mullen, called the shooting a hate crime.

“It is unfathomable that somebody in today’s society would walk into a church while they are having a prayer meeting and take their lives,” he said.

I think we classify domestic terrorism in the same category as mass murder, where it's sad and outrageous but we're used to it, and it's more of an issue for police and gun control, whereas foreign terrorists are exotic and exciting. We're not willing to treat domestic terrorism as an equal threat to terrorism from the middle east for the same reason that we wouldn't spend trillions of dollars to end gang violence. It's boring.

[Ghost Spaghetti]

Considering the mess that our trillions of dollars have had on the region, are you sure that you want that gaze turned inwards?

[garygreen]

inb4 insimultaneousto another TFES race war

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/

[Rushy]

inb4 insimultaneousto another TFES race war

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/

What is more interesting is that the vast majority of black Americans are killed by other black Americans. Black men represent 50% of all homicides, but only 7% of the total population of the US.

[Tau]

Considering the mess that our trillions of dollars have had on the region, are you sure that you want that gaze turned inwards?

True. But it's interesting what spurs us to action and what doesn't.

[Dionysios]

Why are we spending trillions of dollars fighting ISIL and al-Qaeda over seas when we have plenty of domestic terrorists right here at home?

Those who fear the possibility of domestic change beyond their control encourage constant distractions like ISIS or whatever precisely to deflect significant focused attention from domestic problems. 

American wealthy have done this since Europeans first settled.

[Vindictus]

You can spend trillions of dollars on foreign wars while enacting social change.

Do we know why he did it yet?

[garygreen]

inb4 insimultaneousto another TFES race war

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/

What is more interesting is that the vast majority of black Americans are killed by other black Americans. Black men represent 50% of all homicides, but only 7% of the total population of the US.

I think this is probably a reflection of the fact that US cities are extremely segregated.  As the article mentions, that's not the case if you control for proximity: you're much more likely to be murdered by someone you know than by a stranger, regardless of race.  When controlling for proximity, blacks are more likely to be murdered by whites when the parties involved are strangers.  Apparently.  The article doesn't cite source for those claims.

[Rushy]

I think this is probably a reflection of the fact that US cities are extremely segregated.  As the article mentions, that's not the case if you control for proximity: you're much more likely to be murdered by someone you know than by a stranger, regardless of race.  When controlling for proximity, blacks are more likely to be murdered by whites when the parties involved are strangers.  Apparently.  The article doesn't cite source for those claims.

Maybe if the majority of blacks stopped listening to "pop a cap in that ass" music, they'd stop popping a cap in each others asses. To find out what someone thinks is important to them, listen to the music they listen to.

[Pete Svarrior]

Why are we spending trillions of dollars fighting ISIL and al-Qaeda over seas

Presumably because we don't want to wait until they grow to be a force to be reckoned with, given that their official agenda is "death to America, death to the West".

[Particle Person]

I think this is probably a reflection of the fact that US cities are extremely segregated.  As the article mentions, that's not the case if you control for proximity: you're much more likely to be murdered by someone you know than by a stranger, regardless of race.  When controlling for proximity, blacks are more likely to be murdered by whites when the parties involved are strangers.  Apparently.  The article doesn't cite source for those claims.

Maybe if the majority of blacks stopped listening to "pop a cap in that ass" music, they'd stop popping a cap in each others asses. To find out what someone thinks is important to them, listen to the music they listen to.

Yes, I'm sure that is the correct order of causality.

[Rushy]

I think this is probably a reflection of the fact that US cities are extremely segregated.  As the article mentions, that's not the case if you control for proximity: you're much more likely to be murdered by someone you know than by a stranger, regardless of race.  When controlling for proximity, blacks are more likely to be murdered by whites when the parties involved are strangers.  Apparently.  The article doesn't cite source for those claims.

Maybe if the majority of blacks stopped listening to "pop a cap in that ass" music, they'd stop popping a cap in each others asses. To find out what someone thinks is important to them, listen to the music they listen to.

Yes, I'm sure that is the correct order of causality.

>implying music doesn't perpetuate le problem

[Thork]

Today I listened to Tom Jones. I don't feel the need to murder women named Delilah, it is becoming unusual for me to be loved by anyone and I don't miss the green green grass of home.

[Rushy]

Today I listened to Tom Jones. I don't feel the need to murder women named Delilah, it is becoming unusual for me to be loved by anyone and I don't miss the green green grass of home.

Listening to a song isn't what I'm taking about. Constantly listening to a certain category is. If you listened exclusively to murder music, chances are you identify with it.

No one is going to consistently listen to songs that don't represent what they want or identify with in their own life.

[Ghost Spaghetti]

Music is a product of a violent life, not the cause of it. If you don't live in an environment where violence is a daily fact of life, it's very likely that you'll not be likely to initiate violence from listening to violent music.

[Rushy]

Music is a product of a violent life, not the cause of it. If you don't live in an environment where violence is a daily fact of life, it's very likely that you'll not be likely to initiate violence from listening to violent music.

No one claimed any of that to not be true.