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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts
« on: December 30, 2021, 11:02:01 PM »
Even the 3% of climate scientists who say climate change isn't an issue? They are liars too?
I believe the lie is that 3% of climate scientists say it isn't an issue. You never ever get to hear from such people. I don't believe they actually exist on someone's payroll. If they are 3% who are perpetually unemployed ... well it makes no difference.

Most coronavirus scientists are liars.

This is based on your vast knowledge of virology, biology, medicine & pharmacology?
Based on when you say one thing, then flip flop due to political pressures, yes, you are a liar. Example ... Fauchi telling people that masks don't stop the spread of coronavirus.

Some sports scientists are liars.

What's a "sports scientist"?
Quite.

Lastly, when you pilot a plane, do you refuse to check the weather forecasts prior to taking flight?

Second lastly, how much do climate scientists make off of doom porn? Is it lucrative? If so, I'm thinking of a career change.
I always checked the weather. Every single day in enormous detail. That's how I know how often the prediction is wrong.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts
« on: December 30, 2021, 09:59:35 PM »
What is a Meterologists / Climate Scientists motivation or benefit for lying about the weather?
If you are a climate scientist who does not play the 'end of the world' game, you are shown the door. It's an industry, driven by profits. And those who want the results will only pay for reports that say climate change is real. So make those or find something else to do. They don't sell accurate climate predictions. They sell doom porn. That's the industry.

Ergo, the climate change scientists that are left are the ones prepared to lie for money. Anyone honest is weeded out almost immediately.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts
« on: December 30, 2021, 09:47:46 PM »
Scientists tell you lies.

All scientists are liars?
Depends on the industry. All climate scientists are liars for example. Most coronavirus scientists are liars. Some sports scientists are liars.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts
« on: December 30, 2021, 08:50:07 PM »
Thork's OP however, juxtaposing 2 conflicting prediction of what is happening "next week" is a farce.  Yes, its the UK, so its cold one day and warm the next. 

Of course, part of the problem is that however many dollars, how much technology and expertise we throw at a question, some of the population can only understand the answer if its provided on a hand-held as a 125x125 pixel tile from a pay-per-click tabloid site.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that I know more about predicting weather than anyone else who visits this website. I have studied metrology extensively and passed numerous qualifications in the dark art.

I did metrology at A-level geography.
I did it again and in more depth when studying aerospace engineering. (A lot comes up with International Standard Atmososphere crap with maths and calcs).
I then did it again when I got my commercial pilots license at got 96% in the exam. That was more focused on cloud formations, winds and general weather predition from data.

Anyhoooooooo .... the thing I learned from all of that, is that weather prediction hasn't really improved in 100 years. The only thing that has improved is the speed at which data can be sent so you get your data points almost immediately meaning you can make a guess quicker.

But we get the same assumptions ...
Hurricane tracking, for example, has gotten a lot better since then.
It hasn't. We get data from far away sooner ... but what we do with it hasn't changed at all. The "science" that you blindly trust will let you down as often as not. Just beware placing blind trust in what scientists tell you. That's all the thread is about. Scientists tell you lies. Whether is Fauchi and Pfizer, the met office and the climate change brigade, or those who insist the earth is round. Lies, lies and more lies.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts
« on: December 30, 2021, 12:58:19 AM »
Living in the Gulf State regions and saying that sometime this season a hurricane will likely hit is very different than tracking the movement of a hurricane in real time and having models that help to predict where hurricanes might hit landfall and even predict windspeed to help determine severity.
It is different. And if they could do that, I'd be impressed.





"Michael Fish & the Hurricane video" from the 80's = an in-depth critical thought conclusion that weather prediction is a scam.

Got it and well done with the research.
You gave an exact example of hurricane paths being utterly predicted by science and I showed the greatest hurricane failure to predict the path in living memory. I remember seeing all the trees flattened. It was utter devastation. What example would have been better?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: December 29, 2021, 08:55:52 PM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: December 29, 2021, 08:52:41 PM »

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts
« on: December 29, 2021, 08:41:07 PM »
Living in the Gulf State regions and saying that sometime this season a hurricane will likely hit is very different than tracking the movement of a hurricane in real time and having models that help to predict where hurricanes might hit landfall and even predict windspeed to help determine severity.
It is different. And if they could do that, I'd be impressed.


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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts
« on: December 29, 2021, 04:51:49 PM »
Tom - declaring that forecasting the weather has always been a scam is taking conspiratorial theory thinking to a whole new level.
Have a little read of the link below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_lore
^Now, are you going to stand by your assertion that weather forecasting hasn't always been a scam?

And you know what? Those old proverbs about red sky at night or moon halos still tend to be a lot more accurate than the supercomputers.

Besides pulling down YouTube videos, do you have any direct evidence and facts that support your conspiracy theory that predicting weather is a scam?
Weather prediction is sold. Sold to militaries, sold to airlines, sold to app makers and TV stations. Its big business. And yet, they can give a shitty prediction and there is no comeback. You can't sue them. They can tell you it won't rain, and yet your wedding dress can get soaked. Tell you the sea will be calm and yet you can get caught in a storm. You can lose your life because they sold you a shitty forecast and your family can't sue them for that. Think about that. You paid them for a service. They completely fucked it up, and you don't even get a refund. That, in any other line of work ... is a scam.

Are Meteorologists now all liars and scammers that work in a coordinated fashion with each another on a daily basis to create fictitious weather predictions?
Yes. Liars who will happily take money and tell you that the world is going to end in 20 years if that's what their pay masters ask for.

To say that forecasting weather has always been a scam implies that the ability for Meteorologists to help predict and track the movement of snow-storm patterns, the movement of storms, hot and cold fronts is also a big lie and meaningless.... which it isn't.
Actually, it kind of is. Any fool can say a cloud rained over London and headed north and rained over Birmingham and the future will be that it carries on heading north and will rain over Liverpool in roughly the time it takes the wind to push that cloud north. Especially when I can add a 60% probability to cover my arse. I don't need a supercomputer for that.

I live in tornado alley in the US and can't begin to tell you the positive impact of Meteorologists coordinating closely with on-the ground fire and rescue to help predict and ready areas for possibly devastating tornado paths hitting towns.
You live in tornado alley. It is possible that in tornado season a tornado might hit your house? Wow, easy money. As a newly appointed coprologist let me be the first to tell you that it is possible that bears might shit in the woods. I take all major credit cards and paypal. You are welcome.

The same with snow-storms when I lived in Michigan. I am sure the same with Hurricanes for the many folks that live in and around the Gulf States or East Coast.
Imagine thanking science that someone can tell you during hurricane season that a hurricane that is headed your way, might be headed your way.  ::)
Now, if they could tell you a hurricane will form and go a particular direction, not just extrapolate where one has already been and draw a line on a map, then I'd think it a service worthy of respect.

Yep, as fun as it is to shit on them for missing the odd isolated shower in their forecast that ruins your picnic, accurate forecasting has saved countless lives and trillions of dollars in property damage by providing reliable advanced warning for major events.
Accurate forecasting? Really? I live in a changeable part of the world (United Kingdom). Its not like Spain where tomorrow will be hot just like yesterday. Our weather is more changeable than anywhere else on earth. And I can tell you that my lived experience is that the weather shysters have no Th>o<rking clue at all.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Weather forecasts
« on: December 29, 2021, 12:17:08 PM »
Weather forecasts are based on 'THE SCIENCE'.  >o<

Now, whilst no one expects them to be deadly accurate, you'd expect some kind of prediction. You aren't expecting a wild stab in the dark. After all, the weather scientists have the most powerful computers on earth. They model complex algorithms using millions of data points. You'd expect, therefore, for their forecast to be a little more accurate than if they had slaughtered a goat to see how the entrails lie, when arriving at a forecast. And yet, here is the forecast for next week from two different providers, both offering me a tile of their prediction.



So which is it? Am I expecting the coldest weather in living memory, or the hottest? I mean this is only a prediction for next week. Its not like I'm asking them to tell me what is going to happen in April. That would be a prediction on climate and I have zero confidence they can predict the future climate ... let alone to 1.5 degrees or whatever they fear, but I digress.

When something as fundamental as weather prediction, a science with so much money poured into it can't tell me with any degree of accuracy whatsoever whether I'll be freezing my nuts off next week or breaking out my shorts, why would I trust other scientific predictions also foisted upon me by the mainstream media such as coronavirus spread, climate change or inflation models? These models are untrustworthy. I'm just being lied to over and over and told to 'trust the science'. But the science is bunk.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: December 24, 2021, 12:34:04 AM »

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Flat Earth Projects / Re: Opportunity for Texas FEs
« on: December 21, 2021, 01:59:23 PM »
A new law in Texas (HB 3979) requires educators to present “diverse and contending perspectives” on topics that are debated or controversial. Legally, TX has to let FEs present their case in science class. TX FEs should go to their school boards and demand they "teach the controversy". Perhaps print out hard copy of the faq and demand they use it as a textbook. Or maybe Rowbotham? After all, per the faq, there are 10s of millions of FE believers.

Plus, thousands of TX science teachers will learn the true shape of the earth. Perhaps their students can learn critical thinking skills by working out these controversies/unknown equations.

I would love to see TX school board meetings discussing the presentation of FET in TX schools. I think, by law, they have to.

Can't wait to see the final exam.

I may get in trouble, complete nonsense? Seems to me if FE is true, this is not nonsense at all, but a very good idea.
Flat earth theory should absolutely be on the curriculum. Its not important that you come away thinking the earth is flat. Its important that your world view is challenged, that you engage in thinking for yourself, forming a coherent argument and not just parroting whatever your teacher tells you. If learning is parroting then geography is the exact same subject as history which is the same as biology which is the same as mathematics. They are all exercises in regurgitating things you stored in your memory. There is little to no point in them.
Literature should be you creative writing, pulling from your own mind. Maths should be problem solving ... not plugging numbers into a solution you already got shown how to solve but applying the basics to things you have never seen. And flat earth theory offers the opportunity to really challenge where you got your info from. How much standing on the shoulders of giants do you do from day to day? How many things do you just accept, having never really thought about it? Is it possible things you take for granted aren't true? That's a rounded education ... pun intended.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Religion for flat earthers
« on: December 20, 2021, 04:32:06 PM »
I'm a "Traditional" Catholic, that's a Catholic who practices and believes as Catholics did before the 1970s. There was a real upheaval in the Church at that time. The Church totally caved to Communism and all the "isms", and many Catholics rejected those changes.
So what you are saying is that you like church and that you aren't keen on homosexuals. Did I miss anything?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Where's my signature?
« on: December 19, 2021, 06:28:29 PM »
Mystery solved. Browsers where I'm logged into the forum weren't showing the signature because ...



Now that's kinda weird because I haven't been in there changing my forum settings.  ???

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Where's my signature?
« on: December 19, 2021, 06:24:23 PM »
Or anyone else's signature for that matter?

They've been gone a few days now. I thought it might just be space saving on mobile but now back on my mainframe and still no signature. Is it broken, hacked or do you have a reason for removing our carefully crafted signatures?

I have mine and can see yours.
Oh, weird. It has disappeared on brave browser but I can see it on chrome in desktop. Can't see it on mobile in chrome on my android phone though. 🤔

I’m on iOS
Yeah, fine on Edge and Firefox too. Must be something vaguely Chrome related as it won't do Chrome mobile, and Brave is a derivative of Chrome.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Where's my signature?
« on: December 19, 2021, 06:18:54 PM »
Or anyone else's signature for that matter?

They've been gone a few days now. I thought it might just be space saving on mobile but now back on my mainframe and still no signature. Is it broken, hacked or do you have a reason for removing our carefully crafted signatures?

I have mine and can see yours.
Oh, weird. It has disappeared on brave browser but I can see it on chrome in desktop. Can't see it on mobile in chrome on my android phone though. 🤔

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Suggestions & Concerns / Where's my signature?
« on: December 19, 2021, 06:14:56 PM »
Or anyone else's signature for that matter?

They've been gone a few days now. I thought it might just be space saving on mobile but now back on my mainframe and still no signature. Is it broken, hacked or do you have a reason for removing our carefully crafted signatures?

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Clearly not. He concocted what is now Dr. Pepper, according to Thork. I guess you think Dr. Pepper is medicinal?  ::)
AT THE TIME people believed colas to have medicinal properties. Rowbotham invents the first cola.

In the 1950's doctors prescribed thalidomide to pregnant women. With disastrous consequences. We now know that thalidomide is not a good medicine. Your argument goes 'the people who invented thalidomide can't have been real medical professionals because thalidomide is snake oil'.

Step out of 2021 for a second and stop judging Rowbotham through the eyes of someone who has 150 years more science behind them. The guy kick starts the cola industry. An industry that is still worth billions of dollars to the economy today. He does it through the invention of a product that comes about by his own medical research ... for which he is awarded a PhD at the University of Edinburgh ... and you say 'no, not a doctor'. You're just wrong. As I also mentioned he was a physician as well which also confers the title doctor.

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- What makes you think Garwood did very little research?
I've read her book. Its shit and full of absolute fantasies.

That's an opinion, not evidence.
Her book is the evidence. Being as you haven't read it, my opinion is all you've been bothered to find out. Either accept it or read the book for yourself.

All colas have a similar ingredients.
Correct! And Dr Birley's is the first cola. I have found nothing that pre-dates it. He basically pioneered the soft drinks industry, dictated how it would be marketed (as medicine) and made an absolute fortune. A smart guy, I think you will agree.

One thing Rowbotham missed was dosing the elixir with a bump of cocaine.
He wasn't a drug pusher. You have to wait 30 years for the coca cola company to do that.

And yeah, a bunch were advertised as wellness drinks. That doesn't mean there was any less quackery involved. For a "Dr" to say his elixir keeps pretty much all illnesses at bay is, well, quackery.
Pretty easy to say 150 years later. At the time his research was ground breaking and his medicine revered.

Anyway, we are going off topic. Dr Rowbowtham was most definitely a doctor.

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- What makes you think Garwood did very little research?
I've read her book. Its shit and full of absolute fantasies.

- What makes you think Dr. Pepper ripped off Rowbotham?
We compared the recipies from Dr Birleys and the original Dr Pepper. They are almost identical ... but Birley precedes Dr Pepper by some years.

As in, what's your evidence for these claims?
The recipes ::).

Here's a neat pamphlet regarding Birley Elixirs from back in the day. Seems pretty snake-oil salesman-y to me:


https://archive.org/details/b30470961/page/4/mode/2up
All soft drinks were snake oily back then. This is before Coca Cola (also derived from the same phosphoric acid base as Dr Birley's). They were sold in a chemists and marketed as a cure all. But they were basically phosphoric acid, tartaric acid and a shit ton of sugar so that it doesn't taste vile.

Dr Birley's recipe is as follows
Sugar (partly as " invert sugar ") ... 74 parts
Tartaric acid ... ... ... ... 1.15
Phosphoric acid ... ... ... 0.07 part
Alcohol ... ... ... trace
Water to ... ... ... ... 100 fluid parts

Later these products would be carbonated as carbonation gave drinkers a sense that the drink was full of vitality. It is decades and decades before everyone realises they are junk food.

There is a book here on his tonic.
https://wellcomecollection.org/works/b92wbkxn
Maybe an admin should add it to our library?

Oh, and some Dr Pepper from back in the day


Dr Birley died in 1884. Dr Pepper is 'invented' in 1885 marketed in the exact same way. 

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