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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by honk on July 01, 2025, 08:52:35 PM »

Trump has never been a good businessman. He just played one on TV. It really can't be overstated how integral The Apprentice and its false portrayal of Trump as this universally-respected titan of commerce and icon of success was to the rehabilitation of Trump's public image. In the eighties and nineties, everyone knew that Trump was a joke. And nothing changed about him - they just made a TV show saying no, Trump is actually awesome, and inexplicably, tens of millions of Americans believed them.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by AATW on July 01, 2025, 06:00:49 PM »

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that whoever bought a copy of The Art Of The Deal should demand a refund?

He didn’t even write it.
Fairly likely he’s never read it.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by markjo on July 01, 2025, 05:16:36 PM »

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that whoever bought a copy of The Art Of The Deal should demand a refund?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on July 01, 2025, 02:45:18 PM »

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-u-could-send-165839463.html

So...
Trump has given up on getting 90 deals. (Did he get any?)

And is just gonna write letters to Mr. Country and tell them what he decided.  No negotiation needed.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing

« Last post by markjo on June 30, 2025, 01:04:31 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on June 29, 2025, 08:19:46 AM »

Sounds like obliterate means “cause a few months delay”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79qeqg89g2o

Ha!  The most successful military strikes in history?  By what fucking measure?  Because the dropping of the two atomic bombs, which made Japan surrender, was the most successful strikes in history.

Two bombs ended a war.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by AATW on June 29, 2025, 07:43:02 AM »

Sounds like obliterate means “cause a few months delay”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79qeqg89g2o

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on June 28, 2025, 01:17:56 PM »

Early reports, like the leaked, classified report, indicates that not only did the strike not obliterate the sites, but the uranium was moved to other locations.

The fight now is: What does obliterate really mean?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by markjo on June 27, 2025, 10:31:01 PM »

"Obliterated" or not, unless the enriched uranium has been vapourised, it may still exist in some form.

Again, with all of the advance warning, it's fairly likely that the stockpile of enriched uranium was moved as well.  The centrifuges might be a different story.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by DuncanDoenitz on June 27, 2025, 09:58:35 PM »

If we accept that the Fordo site was a weapon production facility, which seems to be the position of both Israel and USA, then it is was a legitimate military target. 

"Obliterated" or not, unless the enriched uranium has been vapourised, it may still exist in some form.  Any attempt at rebuilding, recovery or salvaging of either the product, or its means of production, is also a legitimate military target.