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Re: Trump
« Reply #13040 on: May 10, 2025, 05:48:31 AM »
Selling Trump merch is one thing.  Using meme coins to sell direct access to the president is a whole new level of corruption.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-senators-attempt-to-ban-trumps-profoundly-corrupt-crypto-schemes-13363230

You actually don't need to own a meme coin business to accept money from people. Trump and his family were making multi-million dollar deals as he was President during his first term, and I am still waiting for you guys to prove that bribery occurred as has been alleged.
Be honest: would it even matter if we did?  Would you suddenly go "Oh, Trump is corrupt.  I should stop supporting him!"
I'm 90% sure it would not.  You would simply dismiss the evidence, twist it to be a positive, or just ignore the entire situation.
The conviction will get overturned on appeal.

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« Reply #13041 on: May 10, 2025, 08:47:40 AM »
This is wrong as well. The only requirement to be US President is that you are over the age of 35, a resident of the United States for over 14 years, and be a natural-born citizen. Everything else is your personalized whiney rant of the day about what you think a president should do or how they should conduct their business interests.

You know what, you're right.

If a president wants to lie repeatedly, use his position of power to further enrich himself and his mates, make decisions which push the country in to the brink of recession, take no responsibility for anything and blame everyone but himself for his failings and just generally act like a complete asshat on the world stage and make himself and by association your country a complete laughing stock then you're right, there's no requirements to stop him doing any of that.

And yes, because of the MAGA Cult he gets away with it.
Where we differ is I don't actually think it's a good thing. I'd rather have a world leader with honestly, integrity and competence.
I'm a bit of an old traditionalist when it comes to stuff like that.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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« Reply #13042 on: May 10, 2025, 01:56:56 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyglw20lg2o

Maybe he’s Jesus first, which I think is one of the qualifications
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #13043 on: May 11, 2025, 06:48:58 PM »
If a president wants to lie repeatedly, use his position of power to further enrich himself and his mates, make decisions which push the country in to the brink of recession, take no responsibility for anything and blame everyone but himself for his failings and just generally act like a complete asshat on the world stage and make himself and by association your country a complete laughing stock then you're right, there's no requirements to stop him doing any of that.

And yes, because of the MAGA Cult he gets away with it.
Where we differ is I don't actually think it's a good thing. I'd rather have a world leader with honestly, integrity and competence.
I'm a bit of an old traditionalist when it comes to stuff like that.

You are wrong. Trump does not have control over whether he is successful in his meme coin business. Trump is not enriching himself by selling meme coins. It is his supporters who are enriching him because they have faith that its value will go up based on his success. This is very different to, say, the insider trading Nancy Pelosi and other Congress people blatantly engage in. Because of this insider trading Nancy Pelosi is getting greater rates of returns than Warren Buffet, and is one of the greatest traders of all time. Now that is self-enrichment and blatant fraud.

For the rest of your post, it is just more unsupported liberal accusations without merit.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #13044 on: May 11, 2025, 07:55:56 PM »
If a president wants to lie repeatedly, use his position of power to further enrich himself and his mates, make decisions which push the country in to the brink of recession, take no responsibility for anything and blame everyone but himself for his failings and just generally act like a complete asshat on the world stage and make himself and by association your country a complete laughing stock then you're right, there's no requirements to stop him doing any of that.

And yes, because of the MAGA Cult he gets away with it.
Where we differ is I don't actually think it's a good thing. I'd rather have a world leader with honestly, integrity and competence.
I'm a bit of an old traditionalist when it comes to stuff like that.

Trump does not have control over whether he is successful in his meme coin business.
He does if he's saying "Buy my coin and meet me!  Influence me!" Which anyone from high ranking rich poeple to maga folk, to literal assassins will buy as much as possible.  If that's not influencing, you're clearly just a hypocrit.
The conviction will get overturned on appeal.

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« Reply #13045 on: May 11, 2025, 08:00:26 PM »
You guys, Trump isn't selling his meme coins to anyone; people are buying his meme coins from him. Completely different.
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« Reply #13046 on: May 11, 2025, 09:11:33 PM »
You actually don't even have an example that politicians should not receive money from their supporters. Many politicians ask for and receive money from their supporters. There is massive fundraising from Super PACS,  which raise hundreds of millions of dollars for candidates and politicians. Companies write very large checks to these organizations, which are often looked at with suspicion and shade. If your argument is that politicians should not receive money from their supporters, this is blatantly contradicted by a century of fundraising.

In Obama's last term as President he was notably raising money from people to "support his goals".

Trump is ingeniously giving something in return to his supporters through Trump meme coins which could potentially have value based on the success of the very person they are investing in. Usually when you give money to a politician you get nothing in return, so he has improved the process with his innovative business acumen and has made it far more attractive for people to consider investing in him.
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