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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth rocket launch this weekend

« on: March 26, 2018, 05:36:48 PM »

I'll give him credit for putting his life on the line to prove a point. None of this relates to FEH, but still pretty ballsy.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The people of the flat earth society

« on: March 26, 2018, 12:29:34 PM »

I'm sorry that a sphere flying through space is more than you can believe

And I'm sorry I just don't have enough faith to believe in your science fiction which you treat as fact.

Oh no, I don't believe in science fiction. I believe in verifiable science fact that can be reproduced and tested. Do you not see the irony in posting a message implying science is fake from a device that required centuries of scientific discoveries to be built.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The people of the flat earth society

« on: March 26, 2018, 04:16:41 AM »

The experiments also prove that the earth is stationary, this is consistent with the many scriptures which state in no uncertain terms that the world is fixed and immovable. We are not living on a sphere flying through endless space. There is an up (heaven) and there is a down (hell) Heliocentricity is a neat way of denying God through nihilistic abstraction.

No, those experiments do not prove the Earth is stationary.

I'm sorry that a sphere flying through space is more than you can believe, but you (and the tiny minority of Christians that believe in FEH) are wrong. It has been proven beyond any doubt. At this point you're just lying to yourself. Ask yourself this - is believing in FEH relevant to salvation? If you're allowing it to come between you and fellowship with others, maybe it isn't really all that important? I know you've been as to leave churches over this. Seems to not be worth it, to me.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary

« on: March 26, 2018, 04:09:28 AM »

The news article I posted on page one says that all of the experiments had participation of engineers and professionals at different institutes. Are you expecting us to believe that he spread his "hallucinations" to other people too?

No, I think they are a bunch of pseudo-scientists tricking the gullible. It is laughable that you're still standing behind this stuff. This and your claims that scientists just accept blindly what came before says a lot about you. I'll leave it to the reader to interpret what that may be.

You do realize that there are some translation errors in this, right? We will have to see more about this before picking out a word and trying to determine its context.

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. You are making a claim that there are translation errors. Prove it. Even a bad translation wouldn't have iridium tracking and gravitational lens mixed up. And frankly, what do iridium and gravity have to do with it anyway? (which is why I don't believe it is a translation error)

You say things like we don't know distances between cities and that aircraft designers don't know how fast their planes fly, but you pass this off as something worth our time? lulz, good one.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Another Debate Thread

« on: March 23, 2018, 05:16:20 PM »

Anyone being honest with themselves will see that so far FE falls pretty neatly into the description of a fad.

Even IF FE has any validity the fact is it is being spread more like a fad than a more substantial movement, which means that either a) FE is BS and just another silly distraction that will fade and leave behind a core group that never let it go, or b) FE is true but will fade due to the superficial way it's spreading, people will turn against it and the 'truth' will be lost with it.

--------------Fads can also fit under the broad umbrella of “collective obsessions.” Collective obsessions have three main features in common.[12] The first, and most obvious sign, is an increase in frequency and intensity of a specific belief or behavior.[12] A fad's popularity increases in frequency and intensity pretty quickly, which is one characteristic that distinguishes it from a trend. The second is that the behavior is seen as ridiculous, irrational, or evil to the people who are not a part of the obsession.[12] Some people might see those who follow certain fads as unreasonable and irrational. To these people, the fad is ridiculous, and people's obsession of it is just as ridiculous. The third is, after it has reached a peak, it drops off abruptly and then it is followed by a counter obsession.[12] A counter obsession means that once the fad is over, if one engages in the fad they will be ridiculed.[12] A fad's popularity often decreases at a rapid rate once its novelty wears off. Some people might start to criticize the fad after, pointing out that it is no longer popular, so it must not have been "worth the hype." ------------------

Maybe you should check how long this society has existed before calling it a fad.

The recent uptick in interest is definitely a fad. Most people, myself included, didn't know that this was still a thing until a few years ago. People that still think the Earth is flat?? WTF? Once that knowledge has had time to spread and the curiosity that FEH exists passes, it will fade back to where it was. It is the nature of things.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm confused: How have we gotten it wrong for so long?

« on: March 23, 2018, 05:11:24 PM »

You state there are not other observations on the wiki. I show you that there are other observations on the wiki. You get angry. Classic RE tactic. If you want to debate maybe stop moving goalposts all the time and behave in a civil manner.

It may have something to do with the fact that those books have been thoroughly debunked and are full of wildly inaccurate statements. Like Rowbotham claiming the continents float on waters of the great deep or that moon light makes things cooler. Are there any valid "observations" in any of those books that amount to more than what Curious commented on?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary

« on: March 23, 2018, 03:45:50 PM »

I generally did believe NASA and Co to be telling the truth. But when I saw some of the bubbles in space videos and sneaker prints on the moon pictures, then I didn't believe NASA as much.

Who's in the category of "and Co"?  The other space agencies? Anyone else?

I'm still very curious about this. How does Tom determine who to listen to? Why listen to this Brazilian guy, for example, instead of deGrasse Tyson? Is the Japanese space agency trustworthy, but NASA and SpaceX aren't?

He has a very thought out method for determining who to listen to, it's a method known as confirmation bias. If someone says something he already thinks, they must be trustworthy.

It's a method we all have, but most of us are silly and try to suppress it.

Its a matter of honesty vs dishonesty. In order to discredit this Brazilian guy, you will need to produce evidence of him lying, like evidence has been produced against NASA.

So Tom, thank you for showing your hand, for finally giving me solid evidence that you are neither particularly rational nor scientific in your beliefs.

Because its sooo rational to trust the word of an organization which has produced fake content over the word of an organization which has not.

Because its sooo rational to discredit someone and brand them a LIAR because of an odd experience they had as a child.

THAT is irrational. Do you guys even listen to yourselves?

I'm not calling him a liar, I am pointing out that he likely mentally ill. People who hallucinate are not lying, their reality is valid to them. They are, however, not RELIABLE to tell us the true nature of things.

From their convex Earth docu they said they launched atmospheric probes with: "iridium tracking HD cameras with gravitational lenses and infrared and ultraviolet filters." So yeah...this is basically just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Let's start with iridium. It is a rare heavy metal that exist almost exclusive in the crust. There is some in the atmosphere, mostly deposited by meteorites. It is in tiny amounts and not something you can track with an HD camera. I guess you could say they are tracking iridium satellites, but that doesn't make sense/doesn't fit with a FE/not what they said. Second, gravitational lenses? Sounds like they heard about relativistic lensing and didn't realize it was an effect of gravity and not something you can put on your camera.

So are they lying or just idiots?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Evidence from beacons

« on: March 23, 2018, 02:24:08 AM »

That's what I fear too, too bad, the goal of any scientist isn't to prove its point, but to disprove it, FEers don't seem to be looking for any kind of self-made proofs against their own theses there.

I sure wish more FEers understood this fact. I've done a fair amount of reading on the history of science and scientists were not one big happy family accepting each other's work without question. They behaved like the FEers and REers on this site - battling to prove their view correct. If you publish a paper without thoroughly trying to debunk your work beforehand, you can be sure someone else will.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary

« on: March 23, 2018, 02:16:52 AM »

Seeing something you can't explain in the sky is not the same as hearing voices. There is no logical or natural reason aliens can't exist and believing in them isn't the issue. Hearing voices is the sign of an altered state or mental illness. Since I doubt he was tripping at 9, I'm going to go with mental illness.

Actually, a lot of children hear voices.

http://www.intervoiceonline.org/2577/young-people/parents/dont-panic-if-your-child-is-hearing-voices.html

First things first, From the research that we have carried out into the experience of adults and children who hear voices it has became apparent that:

-    To hear voices is in itself is a normal though unusual experience

-    However, it is possible that you can become ill as a result of hearing voices when you cannot cope with them

-   For most children (60%) the voices will disappear over time as the child develops and as they learn to cope with the life’s problems (and the emotions and feelings involved with these problems) that led to the voices starting in the first place

It doesn't mean that he is a LIAR.

If you believe show like Ancient Aliens, then I can see why your standard of proof is so low when it comes to FEH. It is an entertainment show. It isn't real.

What do you mean it isn't real? Have you even watched it? They just point out mysteries such as why the ancients painted pictures of UFOs and had stories of chariots in the sky, and speculate on whether the pyramids were built with the help of such creatures. They don't LIE to us.

I don't know who James Randi is. If he is a con-man, I wouldn't believe him. Then again, he literally has nothing to do with this. I'm saying your source has stated he hears and sees things that aren't actually there. He is not a reliable source and I do not believe him, nor should you. This is one of those posts you should have admitted you didn't do enough vetting on and let it go. We all make mistakes and post things that we later regret.

Well, then I would suggest looking more into who James Randi and his society is if you are at all interested in the validity of alternative science.

The International Hearing Voices Network??? Does that also explain the interference he could cause on appliances or the cutlery that bent into his hands? I suppose you'll pull up some random site about that, too.

During his childhood, Urandir coexisted situations that went unnoticed, but that continued to happen during his adolescence, being his initiation in ufology . - "In the beginning they were voices, I heard them without knowing where they came from, it started at the age of nine. I also felt the presence of someone next to me, sometimes I saw some figures. "These events were repeated again throughout his childhood.

Over time, Urandir may realize that his emotional condition would also be capable of generating events, hitherto unexplained - "depending on my emotional state, when I came near an appliance, there was some interference, for example, in the tuning of the radio or television "reports. There were also the cutlery that bent into his hands, which helped him to realize that these facts only happened to him, since no one in the family could do the same. As these events were marking his life, Urandir always treated the facts with normality. "It was normal for me, it did not bother me," he says.

Yeah, every space faring nation is lying and all those satellite services are faked, but this guy, he is telling the truth. M'kay...

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary

« on: March 22, 2018, 08:53:05 PM »

I don't see the word "aliens" on either of those pages.

I clicked on the documentary about ancient technologies and found a segment about flutes in Bolivia.

I clicked on the second link and it appears to be a bio of one of the founders, who was inspired to create the institution based on some odd experiences he had as a child where he saw some lights, experienced missing time, and a feeling that he was abducted. He explains that "one of the main goals of Dakila Research is to explain unknown phenomena that are often attributed to ufology".

Do you have something against an organization trying to explain mysterious phenomena that people in Brazil will often attribute to ufology?

Is there something bad about flutes in Bolivia?

From the ufology link - "In the beginning they were voices, I heard them without knowing where they came from, it started at the age of nine. I also felt the presence of someone next to me, sometimes I saw some figures."

Soooo yeah, the guy that is going to prove there is another continent and that the Earth is convex is probably nothing more than your run of the mill schizo.

So? The Ancient Aliens guy claims to have seen UFOs. A lot of the UFO authors claim to have personal experience, or know someone with personal experience, in some manner. That makes sense. Why else would they be motivated to study such mysteries?

James Randi, of the James Randi Education Foundation, was a stage magician, and literally tricked and deceived people for a living. His history in the subject is what inspired him to study magic and the paranormal seriously. We generally have trust in his organization to study the truth. Why should we believe James Randi, who has a history of deceiving people, over someone like this guy, who does not have a history of deceiving people, and says that he just wants to explain his experiences?

Seeing something you can't explain in the sky is not the same as hearing voices. There is no logical or natural reason aliens can't exist and believing in them isn't the issue. Hearing voices is the sign of an altered state or mental illness. Since I doubt he was tripping at 9, I'm going to go with mental illness.

If you believe show like Ancient Aliens, then I can see why your standard of proof is so low when it comes to FEH. It is an entertainment show. It isn't real.

I don't know who James Randi is. If he is a con-man, I wouldn't believe him. Then again, he literally has nothing to do with this. I'm saying your source has stated he hears and sees things that aren't actually there. He is not a reliable source and I do not believe him, nor should you. This is one of those posts you should have admitted you didn't do enough vetting on and let it go. We all make mistakes and post things that we later regret.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Humanity Star satellite

« on: March 22, 2018, 02:02:21 PM »

I'm pretty sure Tom Bishop has repeated and confirmed Rowbotham's experiments.

Tom hasn't done anything of the sort. He supposedly did something similar in California, but was very sketchy on details. Further, the effect he is proving is refraction, not that the Earth is flat. The fact that the experiment fails when you raise the telescope higher confirms that.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm confused: How have we gotten it wrong for so long?

« on: March 22, 2018, 01:56:24 PM »

that's not what Occam would say

What is the simplest explanation? That we live on a curved surface so large that at 20km in the air we can not see the curvature ( ), or that the earth is indeed flat and there is not curvature to be seen?

The simplest explanation is that you don't know what you're talking about. Given the size of the Earth and some math, Occam would figure out that the size of the Earth is too great to see curvature at those altitudes. Further, we do have imagery from higher up that DOES show the curvature. I'm guessing you think that all those pictures are fake. I wonder what Occam would say about that...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm confused: How have we gotten it wrong for so long?

« on: March 22, 2018, 01:33:22 PM »

I think it is safe to say many, if not most of us, have been much higher than your balloon. You'd need to be about 20km up to really see the curve. This has been proven and witnessed by many people.

Really? You've been 65,000ft above ground level? I did not know you were an F-15 pilot.

While the F-15 does hold a special place in my heart, I have not had the pleasure of flying one. As was mentioned, I didn't say, nor did I mean to imply, that I have been 65K feet up. As Frocious pointed out, I was referring to commercial flight.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm confused: How have we gotten it wrong for so long?

« on: March 22, 2018, 12:11:08 PM »

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

You will not see the curve of the Earth from the height of a commercial airplane, other than a Concorde if you were lucky/privileged enough to have flown on one.

And yet you are so sure that there should be a curve. How convenient.

It is neither convenient or inconvenient, it's just the earth is really big. So a curve can't be discerned until you're higher than a commercial plane flies.
Loads of footage from weather balloons showing the curve, I guess you just dismiss those as fake which I guess is an easy way to prove yourself right.

Actually at university we once sent a balloon up with a camera on it, and we could not see a curve. Have you send any cameras up to see this curve for yourself?

How high did it go?

3km

LOL - 3km?? You can't see any curve at such a low altitude. This is exactly the problem with FEH. You fancy yourself a backyard scientist, perform an experiment, get the exact results one would expect on the globe, and then claim the Earth is flat. I think it is safe to say many, if not most of us, have been much higher than your balloon. You'd need to be about 20km up to really see the curve. This has been proven and witnessed by many people.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary

« on: March 22, 2018, 02:48:18 AM »

I don't see the word "aliens" on either of those pages.

I clicked on the documentary about ancient technologies and found a segment about flutes in Bolivia.

I clicked on the second link and it appears to be a bio of one of the founders, who was inspired to create the institution based on some odd experiences he had as a child where he saw some lights, experienced missing time, and a feeling that he was abducted. He explains that "one of the main goals of Dakila Research is to explain unknown phenomena that are often attributed to ufology".

Do you have something against an organization trying to explain mysterious phenomena that people in Brazil will often attribute to ufology?

Is there something bad about flutes in Bolivia?

From the ufology link - "In the beginning they were voices, I heard them without knowing where they came from, it started at the age of nine. I also felt the presence of someone next to me, sometimes I saw some figures."

Soooo yeah, the guy that is going to prove there is another continent and that the Earth is convex is probably nothing more than your run of the mill schizo.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Humanity Star satellite

« on: March 21, 2018, 10:42:55 PM »

I just found this website. The true Flat Earth process is that we want to sense with our own experiments. We need to prove these extraordinary claims untrue. Their claims are so simple, we only need our eyes to prove/disprove their claims.

They tell us where to look. We look (without additional means such as telescopes or binoculars). If we don't see what they say we should see, then their claim is not likely to be true.

Has any Flat Earther gone through this basic empirical process?

They tell where to look here: you have to input your location
https://www.thehumanitystar.com/

They say it's only visible during the night - so we check
They say it's best visible during dawn or dusk - ok, we can do that
They say the light from a passing aircraft will be brighter - ok, so we have to look closely
They say it would only be visible for a couple of weeks - ok, so time is running out.

I posted a thread about this awhile ago. Unsurprisingly, I haven't heard any FEers taking up the challenge. I have yet to converse with any on this site that seem to be motivated to actually prove anything.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary

« on: March 21, 2018, 06:41:03 PM »

Tom, you are completely wrong on this. I pointed you to an experiment that took place in 2005. You are speaking from a place of complete ignorance because you don't know what experiments are being done.

Aren't you the person who found a Youtube video with the word "teleportation" in the title and assumed that it meant that the researchers discovered an alien transporter technology?

No, I posted the video about the sphere. I pointed you to a modern experiment that proved the world was spinning. It also proved one of Einsteins' posits. Your thoughts?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm confused: How have we gotten it wrong for so long?

« on: March 21, 2018, 06:37:31 PM »

Have you traveled and done experiments? If so, what did you do?

I have flown around many times to try and observe the curvature of the earth (failed).

You will not see the curve of the Earth from the height of a commercial airplane, other than a Concorde if you were lucky/privileged enough to have flown on one.

And yet you are so sure that there should be a curve. How convenient.

It is neither convenient or inconvenient, it's just the earth is really big. So a curve can't be discerned until you're higher than a commercial plane flies.
Loads of footage from weather balloons showing the curve, I guess you just dismiss those as fake which I guess is an easy way to prove yourself right.

Actually at university we once sent a balloon up with a camera on it, and we could not see a curve. Have you send any cameras up to see this curve for yourself?

How high did it go?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary

« on: March 21, 2018, 06:34:08 PM »

"of his era" ...

If Tycho Brahe had lived through the modern era, where we've seen 50+ years of orbital space flight, have imagery of the whole Earth every 10 mins through weather satellites, have seen over 20 humans go to the Moon and back .....

Do you think he would bother doing his experiment?

You just answered the question of why the source is old. Astronomers wouldn't study something unless they felt it was a matter of question or contention. Congratulations?

So you don't think those things I quoted are a matter of question or contention, then?

I happen to think that it is a matter of question and contention, but that is not what the educational system teaches. Astronomers like Tycho Brahe studied these things back then because it was an open question. But today Astronomers are taught and told that it has all been resolved. They don't even consider to study or confirm these types of things today.

This is why the Flat Earth Society is the greatest free thinking organization on earth. The movement questions the unquestionable and challenges the unchallenged.

The key point on Tycho Brahe's work is whether the Earth orbits the Sun or vice versa. He knows the Earth is round and his observations rely on it. He might dispute the spin but he agrees with the shape.

Do you accept his findings?

Every Astronomer bases the presumptions in his work on the current dogma of the day. If the shape of the earth was not something under question, it would not be studied. The earth's rotation or geocentricity is not studied today, which is why there are no modern attempts. It is a "closed matter". In the mid 1500's, the earth's shape was a "closed matter," although there were still debates about whether it was the center of everything.

Tom, you are completely wrong on this. I pointed you to an experiment that took place in 2005. You are speaking from a place of complete ignorance because you don't know what experiments are being done.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: March 21, 2018, 06:31:55 PM »

Stinky you might want to check yourself at the door. Only you could be the troll. When you look up in the top left corner you should see Flat Earth Society not roundies trying to prove facts of the flatness wrong. You are the one out of place, I am FE believer and all truth teller. satan is the evil side of all and for the purposes of this exercise, the one who tricked eve and RE goofballs.

Now back to satellites and there being no way they can circle above a FE with a dome. Books thousands of years old describe our flatness and the dome covering. You can't leave, God made you and is watching you, he might even love you.

Here's another video that shows how sats can't exist and the masses are living a lie, a big lie. Stinky needs to wake up.

Nope, I'm here to be a snarky voice of reason and point out the obvious flaws in FEH. As far as your dome goes, it isn't there, it isn't in the Bible, it is only in your head. Yes, books thousands of years old do describe the Earth as flat. Fortunately, most of us have advanced in our understanding of the world. Good luck.

There are services that require satellites to function. They work.