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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Density and the replacement of gravity.
« on: April 06, 2018, 12:30:12 PM »
Thanks for posting this. I'm glad to see Plum Brook has been revived and is being used. The site used to house a NASA nuclear reactor, but that has long since been decommissioned.

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Why are you posting here if you don't believe any of it and don't want to contribute?

His name sort of says it all, Tom. Most of us long term REers are here to refute the flat Earth lie. I'd be willing to bet that a fair number of us also enjoy the debate. It's a good excuse to research things we would never have reason to otherwise.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Radii of Certain Circles of Latitude
« on: April 06, 2018, 12:03:29 PM »
No. What happened is that I provided evidence that the horizon rose upwards when the altitude increased. When the drone increased its altitude, the horizon rose upwards in reference to the buildings.

... but didn't someone point out to you that the horizon stayed pretty much in place in the frame, and the building merely moved in the foreground as the drone rose?

Yes, the horizon pretty much stayed in the same place while the buildings fell beneath it. The horizon line was keeping level with the rising observer. It rose with the observer.

Under the Ancient Greek continuous perspective model the horizon should have dropped along with everything else.

AllAroundTheWorld predicted that it would fall rather than rise, and he was wrong. The entire premise of his thread was shown to be fallacious. Rather than addressing this failing he and others started harping on some other Youtube video about a water device and eyeballing its position with the horizon. The premise in the OP was busted. The traditional theory of perspective shown to be untrue, and all he can do is distract.

The horizon doesn't rise like you say. This was proven with the water tube level. The drop is very slight due to the scale of the Earth and the very minor altitude differences, but it is there and has been empirically proven.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NOAA Regulates Pictures From Space
« on: April 06, 2018, 11:52:41 AM »
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is limiting images of the Earth taken from space. #governmentconspiracy

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/5/17197742/spacex-falcon-9-rocket-launch-livestream-noaa-regulation

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During the live stream leading up to the mission, a SpaceX employee explained that the company would have to cut off footage from the Falcon 9 rocket once the vehicle reached orbit. And the host said restrictions from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration were to blame.

I do find it odd, from a legal standpoint, that NOAA has the right to require a license. Beyond that, there is nothing conspiratorial about this. They've been allowing it, so it isn't like they are hiding anything. Also, it is the purchase of a license. It doesn't say that NOAA gets to intercept and rebroadcast the feed. Further, this wouldn't affect launches from other nations, as NOAA has no legal standing outside of the US.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon and Moon Landing.
« on: April 05, 2018, 07:07:21 PM »
The images are CGI and are not of the earth.

Come on, you don't REALLY think there's a team of back-room staff assembling one of these every 10 minutes, do you .... ?
No, no I don't. But they'll have a very advanced computer program that can draw one of these images up every so often.
Proof, my dude, proof.
-Discrepancies between the 'cgi' images and the earth's actual form* like mountains out of place or something?
-How pictures could not be acquired from this angle?
-How you can tell it is in fact 'Computer Generated Imaging'?
-links to all or part of this 'advanced program'?
-any evidence at all?
So far you have reliably put out conjecture and statements, but they are empty and unhelpful without some facts for flavor.
You can do better than this, Parallax.

*and not just "the real earth is flat"
Well if you look at the blue marble shots of the earth over a few decades a major flaw is the fact North America seems to have got considerably larger.

Would you please post links so we can see what you're referring to?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth Chart,
« on: April 05, 2018, 05:20:22 PM »
I've dealt with this in this thread, which you ignored.

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=8672.msg140039;topicseen#msg140039

One key thing to note from my post in that thread is how you use perspective here (wrongly) to explain sunset but ignore it when reinterpreting the stick experiment to show a close sun.

You can't have it both ways.

I've suggested a simple experiment you could do in your home which would cost approximately 0$ - so all of your annual budget, but I'm sure you'll agree that it will be worth it - to verify what I've said about shadows. You ignored that too. I've also suggested an experiment you could do to verify the distance to the sun and you've ignored that too. This is a key part of your theory, if the sun is distant then it would show your interpretation of the stick experiment wrong, it's strange then that you refuse to do any empirical experiments to test that.

Your rebuttal seems to be "how does the sun setting to perspective explain long shadows at sunset". The answer to this query is that the horizon is at 90 degrees from zenith, parallel to the observer. If perspective puts the sun at the horizon, then the photons are illuminating the observer and sticks from 90 degrees, and will therefore create long shadows.

Its already been done Tom, the globe has been mapped for many years and continues to be made more accurate.  You need to just admit it's not possible to come up with a flat map that accounts for know travel times and distances.

You need to show that all distances are accurate, not just tell us.

When we looked at the transatlantic cable journal logs, they admitted that the laid cable was over 15% longer than expected by spherical coordinates.

Once many world wide distances are verified, it will be possible to start creating a map and model. Nothing can be done until we have all information.

Tom, this is just a leisure activity for us. We don't have the funding to get the data you want.

15% over? Man, it's almost like the ocean floor isn't completely flat.  ::)

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax
« on: April 05, 2018, 12:33:39 PM »
So much goofyness going on here with Dish TV crap. A 2000 year old book has described the dome over the earth as molten glass. Now check your foolish self at the door. Analog and digital waves have been bouncing off this glass for, well since the creation of man and the earth. As early as 1930 Bell Labs was picking up noise from the dome area. Even back then shortwave communication was bouncing off the dome. NO SATELLITES were supposedly aloft yet.  You encrypt and decode a transmission against this glass dome and it projects back down at a specific angle. POINT THE DISH dat a way...NO DUH  Take one of those old 10' dishes we used to use and point it at the MOON and bounce transmissions. There is a club for that.

We are stationary, the dome is stationary, you create programming and blast it up to the dome, it reflects back, you point your trusty decoder dish at it, boys chasing a little white ball around kicking it in nets. God is good, everyone watch FUTBOL !!

More word stew from J-man. Radio waves don't bounce off of glass, they pass through it. Sorry for blowing up your silly theory, but hey, you don't really believe it anyway.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A Couple of Questions
« on: April 04, 2018, 07:19:29 PM »
The way the earth formed would indicate that the waters froze on the edges causing the ice wall. I only say this because we know that earth floats on the waters of the great deep.

How did the Earth form? Also, I don't know that the Earth floats on waters of the great deep. In fact, we know the Earth does no such thing.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Newbie to the forum: ice wall question
« on: April 04, 2018, 05:23:12 PM »
I never said they were, I just suggested that humans haven't been to them so can you prove it for certain?

A telescope wouldn't necessarily prove a round moon, for example, since we can't see the far side of it.
A telescope proves all of the planets and the moon round, due to factors such as Jupiter's red spot, the libation of the moon, and similar things on the other planets. To assert they might not be is to simply show one's own ignorance on the subject. BUT, this is Q&A about the ice wall. So unless you have evidence to present for your above claims on it, we can leave it at what has been presented most likely. It's perfectly possible to travel to, and even explore Antarctica. The Antarctic treaty is the least of a persons worries when planning such a trip though.
Round earthers constantly demand proof of the ice wall, and when proof is posted, they claim its not proof. There is an ice wall, the military monitor it and while you can walk far, you can only go as far as they want or they'll intervene.

You've posted no proof. We are waiting very patiently. What military force monitors this magical place? Where do all the soldiers stay? Do we kill them all when they tour of duty is done or do we wipe their memory? I haven't heard any soldiers talk about being stationed at this imaginary wall.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A Couple of Questions
« on: April 04, 2018, 05:17:36 PM »
Global warming doesn't disprove flat earth. The ice caps are melting, but the ice wall is so gargantuan that it won't melt. The north is the problem.

If, and I say 'if' (because it won't) the ice wall melted, then the oceans would just drain over the edges of the world.

As for the crust, there is no core but certainly tectonic plates do have friction causing earthquakes. There probably is a mantle but its not possible to prove as we can't drill that far.

So which came first - the ice wall or the oceans?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Newbie to the forum: ice wall question
« on: April 03, 2018, 06:58:54 PM »
Hi everyone,

I have only recently discovered this forum and have been fascinated by all the threads I have read, and have finally plucked up the courage to make a post!
I have found the posts about the ice wall around the edge of the earth really interesting, but I was wondering why it is that we are not able to travel there? The few posts I have seen asking this have been from people being very accusatory so have been removed so I have never seen an answer.

Thanks in advance.

Search up The Antarctic Treaty it's why we can't freely travel there.

You mean the treaty that allows tourism? https://www.ats.aq/e/ats_other_tourism.htm You can travel to Antarctica. You can also fly over it. It isn't an ice wall though - it's a continent.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth Chart,
« on: April 03, 2018, 02:54:41 PM »
Our total annual budget is $0. The allocated cartography budget is $0.

We are already giving out our little free time away from work to discuss a few matters. You aren't paying us. Why do you guys complain so much?

How is asking for some sort of research complaining? You should be thanking us for doing the work of disproving FEH and asking questions. That is an important step in proving a hypothesis correct. If you can't answer the questions, you should seek to find the answers. If you can't, then your hypothesis needs to be revised or scrapped.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: April 03, 2018, 02:40:12 PM »
I can't speak to that. I don't know what they were or were not saying about the video. I don't follow them every day. In the video I provided they claim to have just been saying "lets wait and learn more."

Take a look at channel "Astro Not"

Three days ago, "Hi-Tech Science Documentary proves FLAT Earth" - "Irrefutable scientific proof: our Earth is FLAT.
The Results from the experiments of the Terra Convexa Documentary "

Today "Convex Earthers interview Alien in a bush - hilarious!" - mocking the SAME 'documentary' team.... with no attempt to delete the previous video, apparently ...

That tells me that they were able to self correct and conduct their investigations reasonably.

Perhaps most flat earthers are just honest and its not all a big hoax?

Funny, it tells me they jumped on this idea without any investigation and had to backtrack once the truth came out. Kinda like you should have done.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Earths magnetic field discussion
« on: April 02, 2018, 08:32:59 PM »
If earth was a globe, the distance round its surface at 45 degrees south latitude, couldn't be greater than it is at the same latitude to the north. However, since navigators find it to be double the distance, or double the distance it should be (according to the globe earth theory), this is cast iron proof earth is flat.

This is an utterly bogus claim. Where are you getting your info? Show me one link from a reputable source. If you were actually correct, it would be evidence in your favor. Sadly for you, it is BS.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: April 02, 2018, 08:29:49 PM »
Go beg Rocket Guy for some experiments then. We have an annual budget of $0. Zero. Nothing. The webmasters of this website pay for hosting out of their own pocket. We rely on our users to contribute 100% of all content.

We invited you to our potluck and you are the guy who came empty handed and just sits around complaining about the food other people brought.

Try a kickstarter, maybe you'll get some good support! I think that's the point he was trying to make by bringing up rocket guy.

Exactly. They could raise money if they wanted. The fact is, they have no desire to prove anything. Tom's comments are exactly what I expected.

Tom - why would I contribute to prove something I already know is fake? You guys are the proponents. There should be someone in this community with enough initiative/intelligence to start doing some basic research.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How thick is the Earth?
« on: April 02, 2018, 12:21:23 PM »
No they aren't. You can choose not to believe it, but it doesn't change facts.

We are all still waiting for any facts from you. You are big on claims, very short on any sort of proof. A picture of a small section of a small ridge of ice is your "ice wall." Please tell us how "the government" blocks a 20k+ mile border. Where are all the soldiers coming back with tales from the wall?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: April 02, 2018, 12:00:10 PM »
What exactly are you expecting from a budget of $0?

This is just a convenient excuse to avoid having to provide actual data.  ::)  You know the Earth is a globe and any real research into it would prove that fact, so you throw your hands up in the air and claim poverty. Rocket guy raised thousands in no time. You could do the same, you just choose not to.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How thick is the Earth?
« on: March 31, 2018, 09:11:57 PM »
We don't know the thickness of the earth, or the circumference the ice wall extends for 100s of miles where light is lost and no human has ever been. So the circumference is something that can't be explained.

If no one has ever been there, how do YOU know it exists??
Know what exists? The ice wall? The reports and pictures of it are a bit of a giveaway.

Please show me a picture of the ice wall. Also, what reports? You said, "ice wall extends for 100s of miles where light is lost and no human has ever been"

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How thick is the Earth?
« on: March 31, 2018, 09:04:25 PM »
We don't know the thickness of the earth, or the circumference the ice wall extends for 100s of miles where light is lost and no human has ever been. So the circumference is something that can't be explained.

If no one has ever been there, how do YOU know it exists??

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So your saying one needs to be a doctor and they're automatically right? I don't need someone with a PHD walking on this Earth telling me that the Earth is round. A PHD is not needed to see a flat earth. I don't know about you but mainstream science has been brain washing us for years telling our children we travel around a ball, and there is this magical force call gravity pulling us down. I don't need to be a Dr., and neither does Dr. Rowbotham need to be a doctor to understand that the Earth is flat. Doctor is a title, it doesn't make you a god. Stop treating doctors and people with PHDS like gods, they're regular human beings. Mainstream science has brainwashed you.

Reading not your strong suit? I never said that. However, people walking this Earth with PHds is EXACTLY what we need. It's called being an expert. I'm not going to my car mechanic for heart surgery. This notion that everyone's theories are equally valid is BS. Did you know that the least intelligent people overestimate their intelligence the most. Something to think about.

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