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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #100 on: July 10, 2020, 10:08:00 AM »
Right. Which is why I believe a lot of this comes back to affluence.
For historic racist reasons black families tend not to be as affluent. They weren't able to accrue the wealth which has trickled down generations in white families.

Coming back to a previous discussion about profiling. I questioned whether it was just about race. I found these stats from the UK:

https://data.gov.uk/dataset/a61f9145-be44-4895-9650-4cc583516ca6/stop-and-search-statistics-2018-19

I had a look and found:
88.2% of people who were stopped and searched were male. Why is no-one railing against a systematically sexist police force?
54.7% of people who were stopped were under 25. Are the police ageist too?

Everyone understands why those people are profiled. And if you look at the crime stats you'll know why race is a factor too, it just seems to be racist to say that bit even though it happens to be true.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #101 on: July 10, 2020, 10:17:04 AM »
The overwhelming reason why kids do not do well in the US is due to the loss of the nuclear family.

... is that based on opinion, or science?
Science.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240051/
"Nearly three decades of research evaluating the impact of family structure on the health and well-being of children demonstrates that children living with their married, biological parents consistently have better physical, emotional, and academic well-being. "

This goes for everyone, regardless of the color their skin.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #102 on: July 16, 2020, 07:41:39 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/politics/supreme-court-florida-felons/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29

This is the sort of disenfranchisement that evolved from Civil Rights movement. Poor felons are overwhelmingly black and so are barred from voting if they can’t pay a fine. Yes, there are some subset of that group who are just irresponsible asshats who are avoiding paying that fine but hey there is a subset of irresponsible asshats running corporations that avoid paying taxes because they are rich enough to say “get fucked“. They still get to vote though!

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #103 on: July 16, 2020, 08:28:51 PM »
The overwhelming reason why kids do not do well in the US is due to the loss of the nuclear family.

... is that based on opinion, or science?
Science.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240051/
"Nearly three decades of research evaluating the impact of family structure on the health and well-being of children demonstrates that children living with their married, biological parents consistently have better physical, emotional, and academic well-being. "

This goes for everyone, regardless of the color their skin.

You uhh... you missed something there.

"The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital violence, children fare better when parents work at maintaining the marriage. Consequently, society should make every effort to support healthy marriages and to discourage married couples from divorcing."

You are basically quoting a paper that says Divorce of parents is usually bad for kids.  This does not support your claim.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #104 on: July 19, 2020, 04:03:23 AM »
 >o<what did he miss? the paper says kids do well that live with two parents with no violent history?
From the surface Earth looks flat.  From space Earth looks round.  Now what?

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2020, 10:48:51 AM »
>o<what did he miss? the paper says kids do well that live with two parents with no violent history?

Yes but his claim was that kids do poorly when the nuclear family: Mom, Dad, kids - is removed.  But you can have kids do well with a single parent, two moms, two dads, an aunt and uncle, etc...

And he used a paper stating that divorce is damaging to kids.  Which is true but doesn't support his claim as the divorce itself is damaging, not the loss of the mom and dad living together as a couple.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #106 on: July 19, 2020, 03:10:51 PM »
Dave's point is that divorce itself is traumatizing, and the paper does nothing to address healthy non-nuclear families.

It was a terrible attempt on totallackey's part at trying to cherry-pick a source that he thought would help support his position.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #107 on: July 20, 2020, 10:22:19 AM »
The overwhelming reason why kids do not do well in the US is due to the loss of the nuclear family.

... is that based on opinion, or science?
Science.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240051/
"Nearly three decades of research evaluating the impact of family structure on the health and well-being of children demonstrates that children living with their married, biological parents consistently have better physical, emotional, and academic well-being. "

This goes for everyone, regardless of the color their skin.

You uhh... you missed something there.

"The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital violence, children fare better when parents work at maintaining the marriage. Consequently, society should make every effort to support healthy marriages and to discourage married couples from divorcing."

You are basically quoting a paper that says Divorce of parents is usually bad for kids.  This does not support your claim.
Of course it does.

Divorce =/= nuclear family.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #108 on: July 20, 2020, 12:34:25 PM »
*sigh*
If I punch you in the face, does it hurt because I punched you, or because your face is now red instead of its usual color?
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #109 on: July 21, 2020, 01:18:58 AM »
This video pretty much sums up the liberal woke culture.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #110 on: July 21, 2020, 04:40:27 AM »
That's pretty funny.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #111 on: July 27, 2020, 09:39:46 AM »
Here is a link to related news.  However, in the spirit of our multi-political users, I have decided to make headlines based on various political bias.  Just so no one feels left out.

Protester shot and killed by driver.
Texas driver opened fired on crowded street, killing 1.
Driver protects himself from heavily armed protester.
Patriot, exercising his 2nd amendment rights, killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner murders peaceful protester.

All these headlines are factually true.  Just different spins. 




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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #112 on: July 29, 2020, 03:08:02 PM »
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #113 on: August 31, 2020, 06:32:05 PM »
Here is a link to related news.  However, in the spirit of our multi-political users, I have decided to make headlines based on various political bias.  Just so no one feels left out.

Protester shot and killed by driver.
Texas driver opened fired on crowded street, killing 1.
Driver protects himself from heavily armed protester.
Patriot, exercising his 2nd amendment rights, killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner murders peaceful protester.

All these headlines are factually true.  Just different spins. 


This underlines the problem.  The biased press, yes all of them, put their own spin on every event.     

Of course this case being in Texas the driver was well within his rights to cap the guy that stuck an AK in his face.  In New York he would get life for defending himself.
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #114 on: August 31, 2020, 07:17:05 PM »
Here is a link to related news.  However, in the spirit of our multi-political users, I have decided to make headlines based on various political bias.  Just so no one feels left out.

Protester shot and killed by driver.
Texas driver opened fired on crowded street, killing 1.
Driver protects himself from heavily armed protester.
Patriot, exercising his 2nd amendment rights, killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner murders peaceful protester.

All these headlines are factually true.  Just different spins. 


This underlines the problem.  The biased press, yes all of them, put their own spin on every event.     

Of course this case being in Texas the driver was well within his rights to cap the guy that stuck an AK in his face.  In New York he would get life for defending himself.

Except he didn't stick an AK in his face.  He walked down a street holding an AK.  The driver was in a god damn car and was in no actual danger.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #115 on: August 31, 2020, 07:25:47 PM »
Here is a link to related news.  However, in the spirit of our multi-political users, I have decided to make headlines based on various political bias.  Just so no one feels left out.

Protester shot and killed by driver.
Texas driver opened fired on crowded street, killing 1.
Driver protects himself from heavily armed protester.
Patriot, exercising his 2nd amendment rights, killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner murders peaceful protester.

All these headlines are factually true.  Just different spins. 


This underlines the problem.  The biased press, yes all of them, put their own spin on every event.     

Of course this case being in Texas the driver was well within his rights to cap the guy that stuck an AK in his face.  In New York he would get life for defending himself.

Except he didn't stick an AK in his face.  He walked down a street holding an AK.  The driver was in a god damn car and was in no actual danger.

Sure he was, totally peaceful and the evil driver murdered him. 
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #116 on: August 31, 2020, 08:20:02 PM »
Here is a link to related news.  However, in the spirit of our multi-political users, I have decided to make headlines based on various political bias.  Just so no one feels left out.

Protester shot and killed by driver.
Texas driver opened fired on crowded street, killing 1.
Driver protects himself from heavily armed protester.
Patriot, exercising his 2nd amendment rights, killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner murders peaceful protester.

All these headlines are factually true.  Just different spins. 


This underlines the problem.  The biased press, yes all of them, put their own spin on every event.     

Of course this case being in Texas the driver was well within his rights to cap the guy that stuck an AK in his face.  In New York he would get life for defending himself.

Except he didn't stick an AK in his face.  He walked down a street holding an AK.  The driver was in a god damn car and was in no actual danger.

Sure he was, totally peaceful and the evil driver murdered him.
1. Not evil, scared.
2. 2nd Amendment rights to self defense by open carry apparently only apply to Republicans.
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #117 on: August 31, 2020, 08:48:38 PM »
Here is a link to related news.  However, in the spirit of our multi-political users, I have decided to make headlines based on various political bias.  Just so no one feels left out.

Protester shot and killed by driver.
Texas driver opened fired on crowded street, killing 1.
Driver protects himself from heavily armed protester.
Patriot, exercising his 2nd amendment rights, killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner murders peaceful protester.

All these headlines are factually true.  Just different spins. 


This underlines the problem.  The biased press, yes all of them, put their own spin on every event.     

Of course this case being in Texas the driver was well within his rights to cap the guy that stuck an AK in his face.  In New York he would get life for defending himself.

Except he didn't stick an AK in his face.  He walked down a street holding an AK.  The driver was in a god damn car and was in no actual danger.

Sure he was, totally peaceful and the evil driver murdered him.
1. Not evil, scared.


Since the witnesses say the man approached the car (that was being attacked) with the gun he was within his rights to defend himself.

I notice you hammered on that idiot kind in Wisconsin that killed 2 people for bringing a gun yet not a peep about the dead guy that brought an AK.  Hmm, bias much?

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2. 2nd Amendment rights to self defense by open carry apparently only apply to Republicans.

Not even close, everyone has a right to carry in Texas unless otherwise restricted by federal law.   And who said anyone was a republican?  Only idiots identify with a party.
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?

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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #118 on: August 31, 2020, 09:12:36 PM »
Here is a link to related news.  However, in the spirit of our multi-political users, I have decided to make headlines based on various political bias.  Just so no one feels left out.

Protester shot and killed by driver.
Texas driver opened fired on crowded street, killing 1.
Driver protects himself from heavily armed protester.
Patriot, exercising his 2nd amendment rights, killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner murders peaceful protester.

All these headlines are factually true.  Just different spins. 


This underlines the problem.  The biased press, yes all of them, put their own spin on every event.     

Of course this case being in Texas the driver was well within his rights to cap the guy that stuck an AK in his face.  In New York he would get life for defending himself.

Except he didn't stick an AK in his face.  He walked down a street holding an AK.  The driver was in a god damn car and was in no actual danger.

Sure he was, totally peaceful and the evil driver murdered him.
1. Not evil, scared.


Since the witnesses say the man approached the car (that was being attacked) with the gun he was within his rights to defend himself.
Walking down a street is approaching the car, I guess.  Buuutttt unless you wanna show me evidence that the protestor looked like he was gonna shoot the guy (gun raised) I'm not buying it.

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I notice you hammered on that idiot kind in Wisconsin that killed 2 people for bringing a gun yet not a peep about the dead guy that brought an AK.  Hmm, bias much?
Of course not.  That wasn't the topic of discussion.
But I'm seeing you seem to think a kid posing as a protector with a gun is ok but a protestor with one isn't.  Hmmm...  Bias much?

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2. 2nd Amendment rights to self defense by open carry apparently only apply to Republicans.

Not even close, everyone has a right to carry in Texas unless otherwise restricted by federal law.   And who said anyone was a republican?  Only idiots identify with a party.
And yet it got someone killed.  Funny how that works out.  Seems people think other people with guns are threatening.  Go figure!
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Re: Black Lives Matter
« Reply #119 on: August 31, 2020, 09:20:34 PM »
Here is a link to related news.  However, in the spirit of our multi-political users, I have decided to make headlines based on various political bias.  Just so no one feels left out.

Protester shot and killed by driver.
Texas driver opened fired on crowded street, killing 1.
Driver protects himself from heavily armed protester.
Patriot, exercising his 2nd amendment rights, killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner killed by driver.
Lawful gun owner murders peaceful protester.

All these headlines are factually true.  Just different spins. 


This underlines the problem.  The biased press, yes all of them, put their own spin on every event.     

Of course this case being in Texas the driver was well within his rights to cap the guy that stuck an AK in his face.  In New York he would get life for defending himself.

Except he didn't stick an AK in his face.  He walked down a street holding an AK.  The driver was in a god damn car and was in no actual danger.

Sure he was, totally peaceful and the evil driver murdered him.
1. Not evil, scared.


Since the witnesses say the man approached the car (that was being attacked) with the gun he was within his rights to defend himself.
Walking down a street is approaching the car, I guess.  Buuutttt unless you wanna show me evidence that the protestor looked like he was gonna shoot the guy (gun raised) I'm not buying it.

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I notice you hammered on that idiot kind in Wisconsin that killed 2 people for bringing a gun yet not a peep about the dead guy that brought an AK.  Hmm, bias much?
Of course not.  That wasn't the topic of discussion.
But I'm seeing you seem to think a kid posing as a protector with a gun is ok but a protestor with one isn't.  Hmmm...  Bias much?

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2. 2nd Amendment rights to self defense by open carry apparently only apply to Republicans.

Not even close, everyone has a right to carry in Texas unless otherwise restricted by federal law.   And who said anyone was a republican?  Only idiots identify with a party.
And yet it got someone killed.  Funny how that works out.  Seems people think other people with guns are threatening.  Go figure!


Its called reading comprehension, you should look into it.   You are trying like hell to knee jerk me into a corner but failed miserably.  I don't think any of them should have been open carrying.    I am very much on the other side on open carry, it is needlessly provacativce and like we can see, dangerous.

You and I were not there and the witnesses say the dead guy approached the car but you still insist you know what happened.  Just walking down the street and got shot.  I am sure you also know exactly what happened in every case that hits the news. 

Seems people think other people with guns approchaing a car that is under attack are threatening.  Go figure!
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?