The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Rama Set on December 11, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
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This is the question put forward by this video. Have a watch and tell me what you think:
http://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU
(Except Yaakov, we know you hate Muslims)
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Being the right religion doesn't stop it from being radical. In a world where everyone else is wrong, being right is a radical position.
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If all that is true then the answer to his questions at the end are yes.
Because those beliefs are incompatible with the laws in my country so they would be better served living in a country who's laws more accurately fit with their beliefs.
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If the laws are not based on the truth, then they are wicked laws that need to be replaced.
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Laws are arbitrary.
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There are three big problems I have with this video:
- Yes, "all" people attending the "Islam is the best" conference think Islam is great. I hope they notified the media. This could be a big story. I can see the headlines right now: BREAKING: Muslims Still Muslim!
- He keeps putting "normal" and "Sunni" in the same sentence.
- If you're holding a conference in English and can't say a single sentence without interjecting Arabic in the middle, something's not quite right.
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If the laws are not based on the truth, then they are wicked laws that need to be replaced.
easiest way to replace them is to go to where the laws are different.
Although generally those places are not quite so nice to live in, I wonder if that's a coincidence.
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Allahu Akbar!
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No group of religious people are going to actively say they aren't correct. Dumb question is dumb.
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I wasn't able to watch the video. I am on my computer, but the connection is very slow (its bleeding off a neighbour's connection). First off, IRUSH is right. NO religion, not Judaism, not Christianity, not Islam, are going to say that they are wrong. That would be stupid.
As for Muslims generally, yes, I do despise them, and have never made it a secret. Only the latest models can talk. All the older ones are still swinging from their tails. I don't care where they live, as long as its not in the USA or Israel. Both nations should deport every Muslim there. As far as the USA goes, the ones descending from somewhere else should get a free ride back, and warned that any return to the USA will result in them being shot. The ones that are converts here should be allowed to choose a Muslim country to go to, and should be offered the same treatment.
As far as Israel goes, EVERY SINGLE Arab needs to be deported from Greater Israel, without exception. Any who refuse to go need to be escorted out at gunpoint.
I'm no Nazi. I don't believe in murder, even when the receiving end is a camel jockey. But they need to go back where they came from, and need to be allowed to live there, and we should likewise have no Westerners or Israelis allowed in those countries for any purpose other than business. And we should become energy independent as soon as possible, thus being able to forbid any American or Israeli from being in those countries period, under penalty of losing their citizenship. Its a very elegant solution, and no one, not even a camel jockey, would have to die.
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Well don't lie. In another thread you said that if necessary you would have all Muslims in the "Holy Lands" (lol!) shot if they would not go quietly. You obviously believe in murder sometimes.
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Notice. I said deport @ gunpoint if needed, & if they return, a bullet.
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I don't think it's justified to tell yourself that you're not a murderer, but you'll totally kill people for not doing your own ridiculous demands. "I want you to burn down your house and go live somewhere else, if you come back, I'll kill you. But that totally doesn't make me a murderer because I gave you a choice between completely fucking your life up and death."
Killing people because a book told you to is the most literal definition of a psychopath I can think of. You're no better than a Muslim extremist, the only difference is you're a Jewish extremist.
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We tried to be nice. We offered in 2000 to give them ALL of the Gaza Strip & E. Jerusalem, & 96% of the W. Bank. The Camel Jockey in Chief Arafat started the 2nd Intifada. As far as I'm concerned, every camel jockey's life became forfeit @ that point. The fact that they have to go is their own fault.
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I'm not saying violence is necessarily bad, I'm just calling you out on your "I don't believe in murder" bullshit. You 100% believe in murder, it seems to be a staple of your political agenda.
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I wasn't able to watch the video. I am on my computer, but the connection is very slow (its bleeding off a neighbour's connection). First off, IRUSH is right. NO religion, not Judaism, not Christianity, not Islam, are going to say that they are wrong. That would be stupid.
As for Muslims generally, yes, I do despise them, and have never made it a secret. Only the latest models can talk. All the older ones are still swinging from their tails. I don't care where they live, as long as its not in the USA or Israel. Both nations should deport every Muslim there. As far as the USA goes, the ones descending from somewhere else should get a free ride back, and warned that any return to the USA will result in them being shot. The ones that are converts here should be allowed to choose a Muslim country to go to, and should be offered the same treatment.
As far as Israel goes, EVERY SINGLE Arab needs to be deported from Greater Israel, without exception. Any who refuse to go need to be escorted out at gunpoint.
I'm no Nazi. I don't believe in murder, even when the receiving end is a camel jockey. But they need to go back where they came from, and need to be allowed to live there, and we should likewise have no Westerners or Israelis allowed in those countries for any purpose other than business. And we should become energy independent as soon as possible, thus being able to forbid any American or Israeli from being in those countries period, under penalty of losing their citizenship. Its a very elegant solution, and no one, not even a camel jockey, would have to die.
This post scared the living crap out of me. I hope you never come into power of any kind, and I'm going to be keeping ctr+f on your posts for the word "camp" in the future. I can understand a dislike of Muslims, especially if you feel close to the cultural and political tension in the Middle East, but this... This level of intolerance and prejudice is a scourge in humanity's heart that needs to be remedied, and I don't care about "who started it" because meeting hatred with hatred makes you no better than the ones you criticize.
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I love how Yaakov is not even pretending not to be racist anymore. Camel jockey this, camel jockey that...
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I wasn't able to watch the video. I am on my computer, but the connection is very slow (its bleeding off a neighbour's connection). First off, IRUSH is right. NO religion, not Judaism, not Christianity, not Islam, are going to say that they are wrong. That would be stupid.
As for Muslims generally, yes, I do despise them, and have never made it a secret. Only the latest models can talk. All the older ones are still swinging from their tails. I don't care where they live, as long as its not in the USA or Israel. Both nations should deport every Muslim there. As far as the USA goes, the ones descending from somewhere else should get a free ride back, and warned that any return to the USA will result in them being shot. The ones that are converts here should be allowed to choose a Muslim country to go to, and should be offered the same treatment.
As far as Israel goes, EVERY SINGLE Arab needs to be deported from Greater Israel, without exception. Any who refuse to go need to be escorted out at gunpoint.
I'm no Nazi. I don't believe in murder, even when the receiving end is a camel jockey. But they need to go back where they came from, and need to be allowed to live there, and we should likewise have no Westerners or Israelis allowed in those countries for any purpose other than business. And we should become energy independent as soon as possible, thus being able to forbid any American or Israeli from being in those countries period, under penalty of losing their citizenship. Its a very elegant solution, and no one, not even a camel jockey, would have to die.
I don't want muslims in my country either, or even in my continent. But this is, how should I put it... pretty radical.
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Killing people because a book told you to is the most literal definition of a psychopath I can think of.
I'm pretty sure that's way too extreme for most actual psychopaths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy).
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It has nothing to do w/ the Bible, actually. It has to do w/ a fight that Arabs have chosen to make. If they would stop blowing shit up, there might be room to talk. As it is, they must be confined to that part of the world that is theirs. They are a proven danger to the civilised world. & allow me to point out that the last time we were nice, it cost us 6 million. No more Mr. Nice Jew. Its time to stand up & be counted. They act like rabid dogs, they need to be treated as such.
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As for Muslims jews generally, yes, I do despise them, and have never made it a secret. Only the latest models can talk. All the older ones are still swinging from their tails. I don't care where they live, as long as its not in the USA Germany or Israel. Europe. Both nations should deport every Muslim jew there. As far as the USA germany goes, the ones descending from somewhere else should get a free ride back, and warned that any return to the USA germany will result in them being shot.
As far as Israel Germany goes, EVERY SINGLE Arab Jew needs to be deported from Greater Israel Germany, without exception. Any who refuse to go need to be escorted out at gunpoint.
I'm no Nazi communist...
I’ve never seen a post so easy to Godwin before. The similarities between this and Hitler’s pre-1939 speeches is chilling.
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No group of religious people are going to actively say they aren't correct. Dumb question is dumb.
actually most Christians don't follow the bible to the letter so they would disagree with a lot of passages in it, these Muslims are agreeing that laws should include stoning for adultery.
It has nothing to do w/ the Bible, actually. It has to do w/ a fight that Arabs have chosen to make. If they would stop blowing shit up, there might be room to talk. As it is, they must be confined to that part of the world that is theirs.
99% of them are just living in their homes waiting to become collateral damage. Arab, Jew, Christian, whatever they are mostly just people keeping their heads down and wishing life could be better. They haven't chosen anything, they just want the land they stand on to be their home like most other people do and the majority of them probably have no more idea who the terrorists do than the majority of people know who the criminals are in any town (a fair suspicion but no proof, if that).
They are a proven danger to the civilised world. & allow me to point out that the last time we were nice, it cost us 6 million. No more Mr. Nice Jew. Its time to stand up & be counted. They act like rabid dogs, they need to be treated as such.
If you want to make it a numbers game there are a lot more Arabs than Jews so it would be relatively more humane to kill all the Jews not all the Arabs.
Just saying.
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As re: the comparison w/ Germany, we did not blow shit up. We served in the military. In fact, one of Hitler's Iron Crosses was issued to him because his Jewish commander sponsored him for it. The comparison is a very poor one, & my advice would be to study before I opened my yap & made comparisons that made no sense. As far as 99% just wanting their home, tell that to the little babies they dress as suicide bombers. Tell that to Hamas, who takes care of the families of slain suicide bombers, & treats them like heroes. Again, someone's yap is making them look foolish. As far as numerics go, there are 22 Arab countries the camel jockies of Greater Israel could choose from to live in.
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Regardless of the justification, the advocation of an armed roundup of a specific type of people for eviction or execution is the sort of 'racial cleansing' advocated by the Nazis.
If you were advocating th eviction of anyone who has committed violence then I would agree with you, but this is simply racial cleansing. If you're wondering why some people hate Israel and sympaphise with the Palestinians, perhaps you should read your own posts.
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As far as numerics go, there are 22 Arab countries the camel jockies of Greater Israel could choose from to live in.
yes but none of those are their home.
no matter how shitty their home may be they probably still love it and their community. you want the land, then buy it off the owner as you would if they were Jewish.
As far as 99% just wanting their home, tell that to the little babies they dress as suicide bombers. Tell that to Hamas, who takes care of the families of slain suicide bombers, & treats them like heroes. Again, someone's yap is making them look foolish.
yours as it happens, now be polite or I'm out, it's not like I care, I'm just passing time.
You ought to know both that you can't blame the babies and that that's not 99% of the population blowing their kids up, it's a very small number.
As for Hamas they're a terrorist organisation, if anything it speaks well of them that at least they have some morals and take care of their own, nobody's all bad, they're probably treating their killed bombers families better than the Uk government treats its solders families.
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Sure
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As far as numerics go, there are 22 Arab countries the camel jockies of Greater Israel could choose from to live in.
yes but none of those are their home.
no matter how shitty their home may be they probably still love it and their community. you want the land, then buy it off the owner as you would if they were Jewish.
As far as 99% just wanting their home, tell that to the little babies they dress as suicide bombers. Tell that to Hamas, who takes care of the families of slain suicide bombers, & treats them like heroes. Again, someone's yap is making them look foolish.
yours as it happens, now be polite or I'm out, it's not like I care, I'm just passing time.
You ought to know both that you can't blame the babies and that that's not 99% of the population blowing their kids up, it's a very small number.
As for Hamas they're a terrorist organisation, if anything it speaks well of them that at least they have some morals and take care of their own, nobody's all bad, they're probably treating their killed bombers families better than the Uk government treats its solders families.
Hamas, I think, treats the families of matyrs well as long as the families do their piece for Hamas propaganda. If they do not, Hamas is known to physically assault and harm the survivors of martyrs.
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I have been advised that some here are offended by my, shall we say, spirited defence of my views. Although I've no intention of changing those views, as I believe they are correct, perhaps I let my temper get away from me. I shall endeavour to modify my abusive language re: Arabs in particular, & Muslims in general. If anyone has been offended by said language, I offer them my apology. I have not been asked to apologise. I do so of my own free will.
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I have been advised that some here are offended by my, shall we say, spirited defence of my views. Although I've no intention of changing those views, as I believe they are correct, perhaps I let my temper get away from me. I shall endeavour to modify my abusive language re: Arabs in particular, & Muslims in general. If anyone has been offended by said language, I offer them my apology. I have not been asked to apologise. I do so of my own free will.
Given the choice I'd rather you keep the words and temper your views, but I suppose this is easier.
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Hamas, I think, treats the families of matyrs well as long as the families do their piece for Hamas propaganda. If they do not, Hamas is known to physically assault and harm the survivors of martyrs.
I freely admit I don't know much about it, I was only going off Yaak's statement.
Given the choice I'd rather you keep the words and temper your views, but I suppose this is easier.
I had a similar thought but I'll settle happily for civility among participants.
As long as we're not throwing words like stupid and foolish around I'm happy. After all there have been plenty of very bright people who have been very wrong about things and plenty of idiots who've been right on the money.
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I have been advised that some here are offended by my, shall we say, spirited defence of my views. Although I've no intention of changing those views, as I believe they are correct, perhaps I let my temper get away from me. I shall endeavour to modify my abusive language re: Arabs in particular, & Muslims in general. If anyone has been offended by said language, I offer them my apology. I have not been asked to apologise. I do so of my own free will.
Your language isn't what bothers me, it's your views I find repellant.
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Well, you are free to find them so. & I'm free to have them.
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Your language isn't what bothers me, it's your views I find repellant.
If he shut up about them he wouldn't stop having them.
I feel it's always better to know about these things than not.
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Laws are arbitrary.
All laws are codified revenge.
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Your language isn't what bothers me, it's your views I find repellant.
If he shut up about them he wouldn't stop having them.
I feel it's always better to know about these things than not.
I know.
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This is the question put forward by this video. Have a watch and tell me what you think:
http://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU
(Except Yaakov, we know you hate Muslims)
Islam is defianteley a radicel religion and is extremeley sexist and hatful. Plus its all just kiling and bombs. The people in englend are all saying they dont want the moslems and I agree I dont want them in my countrey ether all they do is kill. GET THEM OUT!!!
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Very hatful the muslims.
Lots of hats in that room.
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Very hatful the muslims.
Lots of hats in that room.
What the heck are you talking about?
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This is the question put forward by this video. Have a watch and tell me what you think:
http://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU
(Except Yaakov, we know you hate Muslims)
Islam is defianteley a radicel religion and is extremeley sexist and hatful. Plus its all just kiling and bombs. The people in englend are all saying they dont want the moslems and I agree I dont want them in my countrey ether all they do is kill. GET THEM OUT!!!
Keep this act in AR please. It's more bigoted than Yaakov.
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I'm not touching this w/ a 10 metre cattle prod. Finding myself in agreement w/ the Troll may be shock enough to give me a 2nd heart attack. & 2 before age 40...
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The problem isn't Islam, it's the feudalistic and decentralized system of government in the former Ottoman Empire
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Very hatful the muslims.
Lots of hats in that room.
What the heck are you talking about?
The hats...what do you think he's talking about? You made the observation that they're hatfull. Yes, they do like their hats, or more accurately known as the 'taqiyah' which is worn by men, and the 'hijab', worn by women.
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Well, we Jews like our hats too. :) The discussion doesn't involve Marxism-Leninism-Thought of Mao, so I shan't go there. I apologised only for the harshness of my rhetoric, & not for my views on Muslims generally or Arabs particularly, as I feel they are correct. As re: the Ottoman Empire, it is true that the government thereof gave what later became British Mandate Palestine alot of the issues it still has, but that does not account for the fact that Muslims divide the world into the House of Islam & the House of Unbelief. According to Shariah, the best a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian can ask for under Muslim rule is Dhimmi status, ie, 2nd class citizenship. The worst is modern-day Saudi Arabia, where being anything other than a Muslim (if one is a citizen) is punishable by death. All the pc rubbish in the world about 'the religion of peace' won't change that fact.
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I do reasonably well w/ Marx, & much better w/ Mao. I never claimed expertness w/ any of them. I haven't been a Communist that long after all. Re: Muslims & Arabs, I was told people were offended. In my opinion, I said nothing offensive, only true. But others disagreed. I apologised for them, not for me. I agreed to modify my language in order not to be banned. Frankly, I think I was being kind.
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I apologised only because an administrator saw fit to advise me that I was being offensive. I don't think I was. But if it smooths conversation, hey, I'm all for diplomacy. As for my politics, I don't need to excuse myself to you. I choose the CPUSA because it is the closest fit to my admittedly Maoist beliefs, since I don't advocate armed revolution as Bob Avakian does. I never said it was a perfect fit. To put it bluntly, I advise you to go take a quarter & find somebody who wants to listen to you, & while you're @ it, to go f--k yourself. Have a pleasant evening. I have a video game to play.
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I just don't understand why you're so incredulous when you said that all Islams should be escorted out of America and Israel at gunpoint. Just about no one would argue that's an extremist viewpoint. I'm not saying you should apologize, but you should at least acknowledge the fact that your views are unusual and not seek out to offend/piss off as many people as possible. At that point you're just stooping to EJ's level.
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I never disputed that my views on that subject are pretty radical.
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The problem isn't Islam, it's the feudalistic and decentralized system of government in the former Ottoman Empire
Aren't the two the same thing, at least to some extent? Many Muslim governments are based on Islam, and Islam was therefore shaped in a political way.
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The problem isn't Islam, it's the feudalistic and decentralized system of government in the former Ottoman Empire
Aren't the two the same thing, at least to some extent? Many Muslim governments are based on Islam, and Islam was therefore shaped in a political way.
But couldn't the same be said of Christianity and feudal Europe? I'd argue that the religion is blameless, because when it's taken out of the context of the feudal system it loses most of its problems. American Muslims are not violent any more than American Christians or American Jews, nor are they more misogynistic or heterophobic.
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All ethnic & political views aside re: Islam, I've often observed that where Islam is at about 1400 yrs old, Christianity was @ that age. Judaism was also pretty warlike in the Bible. Perhaps when a religion matures a bit, that kind of thing fades a bit?
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I've noticed that as well. My theory about it is that religions tend to form at a particular point in an empire's life, and that great empires tend to last for similar amounts of time. Thus, they tend to fall when the religion is at that certain age. This is just my speculation, though.
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Tausami, I think that the imperial connection, while definitely present, isn't as relevant as the religion itself. For example, Islam was founded when the Arabs were a ragtag band of savage, disunited warlike tribes, preying on each other & anyone else in the area. It was Islam that united them & made them a powerful state that was almost unstoppable as they barrelled out of Arabia & conquered everything from India almost to Barcelona in about 80 yrs. Christianity unified the Roman Imperial State. Ancient Israelite Faith unified the bickering 12 Tribes under 1st Judges, & then Kings. Certainly, though, it can be said that in all 3 cases, after unification, the governments in question gave a boost to their respective faiths.
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Very hatful the muslims.
Lots of hats in that room.
What the heck are you talking about?
The Hatful muslims.
They certainly are a group with decidedly millinery predilections.
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Tausami, I think that the imperial connection, while definitely present, isn't as relevant as the religion itself. For example, Islam was founded when the Arabs were a ragtag band of savage, disunited warlike tribes, preying on each other & anyone else in the area. It was Islam that united them & made them a powerful state that was almost unstoppable as they barrelled out of Arabia & conquered everything from India almost to Barcelona in about 80 yrs. Christianity unified the Roman Imperial State. Ancient Israelite Faith unified the bickering 12 Tribes under 1st Judges, & then Kings. Certainly, though, it can be said that in all 3 cases, after unification, the governments in question gave a boost to their respective faiths.
Absolutely. However, the religion is not defined by the empire even when the empire is defined by the religion. To a significant extent religions are a blank slate onto which the powerful project themselves. In America homophobes project their homophobia onto Christianity and use it to justify their bigotry, and in the Islamic world misogynists and feudal (war) lords do the same. It's hardly the religion's fault.
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This is the question put forward by this video. Have a watch and tell me what you think:
http://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU
(Except Yaakov, we know you hate Muslims)
Islam is defianteley a radicel religion and is extremeley sexist and hatful. Plus its all just kiling and bombs. The people in englend are all saying they dont want the moslems and I agree I dont want them in my countrey ether all they do is kill. GET THEM OUT!!!
Keep this act in AR please. It's more bigoted than Yaakov.
How is it more bigoted than yakoov he called African Americans SAVAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not touching this w/ a 10 metre cattle prod. Finding myself in agreement w/ the Troll may be shock enough to give me a 2nd heart attack. & 2 before age 40...
This just proves that im not a troll I have views that any comon man can agree with
Very hatful the muslims.
Lots of hats in that room.
What the heck are you talking about?
The hats...what do you think he's talking about? You made the observation that they're hatfull. Yes, they do like their hats, or more accurately known as the 'taqiyah' which is worn by men, and the 'hijab', worn by women.
I ment to spel hateful moron
I just don't understand why you're so incredulous when you said that all Islams should be escorted out of America and Israel at gunpoint. Just about no one would argue that's an extremist viewpoint. I'm not saying you should apologize, but you should at least acknowledge the fact that your views are unusual and not seek out to offend/piss off as many people as possible. At that point you're just stooping to EJ's level.
What do you mean "stooping to EJs level?" Im not the one whos being rascist here yakoov is
Very hatful the muslims.
Lots of hats in that room.
What the heck are you talking about?
The Hatful muslims.
They certainly are a group with decidedly millinery predilections.
What?
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they wear a lot of hats.
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Time to break out the popcorn & watch the show.
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I ment to spel hateful moron
Oh..... You meant to spell "hateful moron". I understand now. It sure would have helped if you hadn't forgotten the 'e' in addition to the entire second half (moron) of the implied nomenclature in your original sentence. 'Hateful moron' doesn't really fit with the structure of the original sentence though.
*edit- I just want to apologize to everyone else while I'm thinking about it. Hanging out at that bridge with a feedbag in my hand is just too inviting.
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Oh, those Muslims & their hats, now! Who knows, maybe they're hateful hats? Or moronic hats? Or maybe, to be fair to them, just hats.
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they wear a lot of hats.
Pff thats probeley where they hide there bombs
Time to break out the popcorn & watch the show.
Such a troll. Not even funny
I ment to spel hateful moron
Oh..... You meant to spell "hateful moron". I understand now. It sure would have helped if you hadn't forgotten the 'e' in addition to the entire second half (moron) of the implied nomenclature in your original sentence. 'Hateful moron' doesn't really fit with the structure of the original sentence though.
*edit- I just want to apologize to everyone else while I'm thinking about it. Hanging out at that bridge with a feedbag in my hand is just too inviting.
How does it nog fit into the sentence?
Oh, those Muslims & their hats, now! Who knows, maybe they're hateful hats? Or moronic hats? Or maybe, to be fair to them, just hats.
There hate. Thats what islams are