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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 02, 2025, 08:58:29 PM »

Wait, your now claiming citizens are uninjured?

Good to know.

Bitching can cease and case is closed.

Yes.  Because every information leak did no harm to citizens, directly.  The information isn't owned by the public and the people who would be injured is military.  Which falls under Trump.

Of course, you don't seem to understand that or how law works.  Or how... Anything works, really, except maybe the post button here.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 02, 2025, 06:04:55 PM »

I ignored nothing.

Tell you what. You claim the ability to apply the law. Devin is certainly capable of filing suit against the Trump Administration. He can certainly press charges in this instance and demand accountability and for the law to be upheld. You two go ahead and get together and get to work, toot sweet.

Why?  Senate Republicans are doing that now.  I'll wait for them.

Plus, a criminal or civil cases can't be brought up by an uninjured entity. The only group that could file charges is the US government, specifically the AG.  And not even releasing the location of all our nuclear warheads would get that to happen, so it'll never be touched, legally, by the AG.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 02, 2025, 04:51:40 PM »

Again, it would be so beneficial for you to learn to read my fucking posts before you respond.

I have no problem with the one law or any of the laws that Devin cites in this case.

He just doesn't know how to fucking apply the laws.

Essentially, he is just like you and all the other goddamn harpies..."CLASSIFIED INFO!!! CLASSIFIED INFO!!!"

None of you fucking know a goddamn thing about classified fucking info.

I do.
However, as I'm sure you ignored, the espionage act doesn't require the info to be classified but simply have a potential to cause harm to the United States if it's released.  War plans like described would have been listed as confidential as they could cause harm to the US if they are leaked.  But the information isn't sensitive enough to reach secret level as the harm would be short term (failed mission, time to prepare defenses to shoot down the planes, etc...) and would not leave any lasting harm directly.


And even so, the entire crux of the problem isn't the info specially, it was that high level officials added someone who shouldn't be there to a group chat.  On a personal phone.  As they talked about sensitive military maneuvers.  And Signal uses your personal address list on your phone when you add people (or you type the number in manually) SO that means that unless he just happened to hit the right number by accident, he had The Atlantic's editor in chief in his contact list. 

If this guy's personal phone was ever compromised, it would be trivial to replace contact info so he'd be adding in spies to signal chats instead of using the actually secure devices that won't add anyone outside of approved people.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 02, 2025, 01:00:46 PM »

What sources are they quoting?

If it is the same ones you guys are relying on, then they have just as much credence as you guys do.

They quote the law.  Like the actual law, with which specific section of the law it is and everything.

Where? Musta missed that. Gotta timestamp?

Yeah, I see. Around 14:45...Correct law, correct reading...Incorrect analysis regarding what was shared.

Legal eagle quotes law alot.  So not sure why you picked just one but ok.

Also, cool.  So you have a law degree?  Because last I heard, you made a few rules for the prison you worked at and think that makes you a law expert.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 02, 2025, 12:12:12 PM »

What sources are they quoting?

If it is the same ones you guys are relying on, then they have just as much credence as you guys do.

They quote the law.  Like the actual law, with which specific section of the law it is and everything.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 02, 2025, 11:10:13 AM »

Do you disagree?

Yes.

Video snipped.

Entertainment lawyers have no credence in the discussion.

Even when they quote sources?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 02, 2025, 04:41:26 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 01, 2025, 04:41:39 PM »

Apparently RFK Jr doesn't want to prevent AIDS.
https://apnews.com/article/health-human-services-layoffs-restructuring-rfk-jr-ec4d7731695e4204970c7eab953b2289

A friend of mine works with the NIH as part of their job.  Whole departments are now gone.  INCLUDING the HIV/AIDS prevention department.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 01, 2025, 09:26:06 AM »

No, they don't.  The houthies know that they are targets.  If they get 2 hours notice that jets are coming their way, they they have time to prepare a welcome.

They've already tried. They don't have the technology.

This is part of your problem Tom, you just can't help thinking like an American.  They have technology, but they don't need technology. 

Try and put yourself in the Terrorist's sandals.  You visit your girlfriend "at the usual time" of 15.00.  Iranian Republican Guards email/phone/send-a messenger on a scooter to you.  They have intercepted a message: "Planes are airborne, he's at his girlfriend's house". 

What do you do?  Launch some SAMs? 

Or maybe just put on her burkha, get in your Mercedes and drive like Bin Laden.

Bonus points if you can get your local population to think America just blew up an occupied apartment building for no reason, killing 53 men, women, and children.  And they didn't even hit their target.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 31, 2025, 05:10:48 AM »

https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/press-releases/chairman-wicker-ranking-member-reed-request-inspector-general-probe-into-signal-incident

The head of the Senate arms committee seems to think this requires investigation. And he's a republican.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 30, 2025, 08:14:28 PM »

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/29/nx-s1-5344469/fcc-disney-dei-changes-abc

Remember folks: A private company should have the power to hire as they wish.
Unless you pissed off Trump by trying to be inclusive or diverse or equal... then you're evil and need to go down.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 29, 2025, 06:16:34 PM »

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/03/28/g-s1-56968/usaid-terminates-nearly-all-its-remaining-employees

So now we know why they're doing this:
They want to put all AID into the hands of the State Department, which is directly under The President.  So HE and ONLY HE can decide who gets how much money.  Don't play ball?  That lifesaving food aid is now gone. 

Oh, you're a farmer who won't vote for Trump?  No help for you.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 29, 2025, 01:45:19 PM »

Tom keeps appealing to authority and projecting.  It's sad.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 29, 2025, 01:43:27 PM »

In their defense, signal only shows participants if you go into the channel properties.  They won't show up in the chat screen.  And if he never types, they'd never notice.  But that's one reason why it's insecure: no quick and passive way to see all participants.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 28, 2025, 08:24:56 PM »

As I can see the only military authorities mentioned in this thread who have commented with a position on this are Pete Hegseth, the officials such as CIA Director Ratcliffe who congress questioned and who claimed it was not a breach or classified, as well as the several military commanders who I pointed out who were giving out similar operational details about conflicts in Afghanistan. Who is your military secrecy source, exactly? You guys are citing a few random journalists and your own opinion, pretending to be military experts when you are not.

You have nothing. Stop LARPing and role playing out your insufferable pearl clutching fantasies. It's terrible.

The espionage act.  Which has clear rules stating that disseminating national security information to people not authorized to have it, is a crime if it's done willingly or out of gross negligence.

And its rather unusual that you're supporting the authority, especially since that authority is involved in it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 28, 2025, 05:53:00 AM »

I would be 100% shocked if any criminal charges for violating the espionage act were ever filed.  Or the records act since signal deletes messages after a time. 
This is gonna be swept under the rug of other illegal things.

Also, apparently, one of the people in the chat, using a personal cell phone, WAS IN MOSCOW at the time.

There is no excuse for this shit, and we can quote Trump, Gabbard, and Hegseth if we want to know their thoughts on releasing classified data.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 27, 2025, 09:27:54 PM »

Remember a few days ago when Pete called him a liar? 
Wonder why if he knew he wasn't lying?  Or maybe he didn't ....

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 27, 2025, 08:08:41 PM »

You are making a fool out of yourself. Pete Hegseth, with three tours of military service, obviously knows more about operational security than you do.

https://twitter.com/PeteHegseth/status/1904918673250468002

F-18s, one drone.  Three strikes.
One at 13:45 f18 strike. (Pending target trigger)
One at 14:15 drone strike.(MQ9) 
One at 15:36 second f18 strike
1536 Tomahawk missiles launch

Now I count...
3 weapons(methods), three strike times(makes it easy to avoid being hit), and one location (terrorist known location where he usually is at 1345 so if you usually are at a place at 1345, you know you're gonna be hit.

So Pete must be really fucking stupid or didn't read the chat.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 27, 2025, 05:25:23 PM »

Biden: he's incompetent and shouldn't lead.
Trump's team: Incompetence is fine!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 27, 2025, 10:17:04 AM »

Pete Hegseth weighed the risks

lol

Hmmm... Unknown number... Should I invite them?  Should I not? Where did this - eh it's fine.  *Invite.*

This is the point Tom is flailing around desperately refusing to acknowledge.
First it was the standard Trump kneejerk response: well it's only the journalist's word for it. FAKE NEWS!
Then when they realised it was true it was: They have the right to declassify anything they want. Which, even if true, is irrelevant because that's not what happened here.
And now it's "Well, they didn't disclose anything which could have jeopardised the mission". Which is debatable, and also irrelevant.

The point here is the level of seriousness and competence this demonstrates at the highest level of the US government. How the fuck did a journalist who has no security clearance get added into the chat and no-one noticed at any point as they discussed the details of a live military operation. I don't think "oh whoopsie-doodle, mistakes happen!" is an adequate response here. Tom may be OK with that level of incompetence at that level, I don't think many other people are.

Yeah. I can understand a "opps, I added you to the wrong group." Kinda thing that lasts a few seconds.

Or
"I added 100 people at once and put in the wrong number by mistake for one" which at 100 people wouldn't be easy to notice.  But 18?  How the fuck do you not know all 18 people on such a conversation?


Also, who was he trying to add?  And why didn't notice they didn't get added?

Or....
Did the editor use social engineering to trick Mike into inviting him?  Which would be so...so much worse.