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Offline Tom Bishop

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Re: Private space companies
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2016, 07:20:02 AM »
Private rocket companies are called government contractors. They are semi-private for-profit entities which have the power to sponsor people for secret and top secret clearances.

Do you really think the government would give a purely private firm access to ICBM technologies such as orbital rockets? I don't think so. They are going to give it to a government contractor which is basically controlled by the government at all levels.

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Re: Private space companies
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2016, 07:51:00 AM »
Here is the situation in Europe :
Ariane 5 launchers are being made by Airbus Safran Launchers.
Airbus Safran Launchers is owned 50%/50% by Airbus group and Safran group
Airbus group is owned at 26% by government
Safran group is owned at 15.4% by government
So Airbus Safran Launchers is owned at 20% by government, this is far from being a government entity.

Arianespace launches Ariane 5 (and others).
Arianespace is owned (well, will be soon) at 75% by Airbus Safran Launchers and at 25% by other private industrial entities
Therefore Arianepace is owned at 15% by government, this is far from being a government entity.

The fact that government buy rockets to send in space some military satellite is true. But saying that because governments use to buy rocket make the entire rocket industry a government entity is like saying that because government buy trains, the entire train industry is a government entity.

Of course government put a lot of money into the space program, but this is to ensure the autonomous access to space! But you know that (at least in Europe), the space industry makes the majority of its money thanks to commercial satellite?

Also, so that you could freak out! Do you know that Airbus Safran Launchers is responsible for the M51 manufacturing? Because yes, ICBM are the same technology as rocket. So why not use the people capable of manufacturing it to do so, and yes, this is a private industry!
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Re: Private space companies
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2016, 09:08:38 AM »
Private rocket companies are called government contractors. They are semi-private for-profit entities which have the power to sponsor people for secret and top secret clearances.

Do you really think the government would give a purely private firm access to ICBM technologies such as orbital rockets? I don't think so. They are going to give it to a government contractor which is basically controlled by the government at all levels.

There are numerous "Private rocket companies" that could never be "called government contractors."

You might think that your US government runs the world! It does not.

Your US government doesn't have to "give a purely private firm access to ICBM technologies such as orbital rockets".
It's not theirs to give.

Stop thinking that you rule the world, you don't!

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Re: Private space companies
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2016, 12:31:00 PM »
Private rocket companies are called government contractors. They are semi-private for-profit entities which have the power to sponsor people for secret and top secret clearances.
What about these guys?
https://copenhagensuborbitals.com/

Do you really think the government would give a purely private firm access to ICBM technologies such as orbital rockets? I don't think so. They are going to give it to a government contractor which is basically controlled by the government at all levels.
Do you really think that the government can stop someone from figuring out the technology on their own?
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Re: Private space companies
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2016, 02:59:27 PM »
Private rocket companies are called government contractors. They are semi-private for-profit entities which have the power to sponsor people for secret and top secret clearances.
What about these guys?
https://copenhagensuborbitals.com/

Do you really think the government would give a purely private firm access to ICBM technologies such as orbital rockets? I don't think so. They are going to give it to a government contractor which is basically controlled by the government at all levels.
Do you really think that the government can stop someone from figuring out the technology on their own?
To be fair, Copenhagen suborbitals don't build orbital rockets, hence the name. Their profile is not only private, but a mission to be the first amateurs to launch a man into space (+100km).

Apart from that, Tom is talking gibberish, again.
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Re: Private space companies
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2016, 10:47:56 PM »
So the Australian Government is so naive as to pay to launch this sort of thing?



More information at Sky Muster: Rocket carrying NBN satellite launches amid concerns internet speeds overpromised
and The countdown is on: nbn announces second satellite launch.

The 2016 satellite is to provide 25 MB/s download and 5 MB/s upload speeds.