[AATW]

It's like Tom doesn't understand what "probationary employees" means. Does he think it means they're not real employees with real responsibilities?
I guess it's a quick and cheap way of getting rid of a lot of people but it's not exactly strategic.

[Tom Bishop]

The employees fired were probationary clerical workers. Therefore it is not likely that it they were critical to the integrity of America's nuclear stockpile. Probationary employees are not put in critical and sensitive positions for the reason that the permanence of their role is still in evaluation. This is also why probationary employees were terminated rather than regular employees.

NBC noted that the reversal of some of the terminations came after this recent international incident, where the NNSA is involved:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-wants-un-fire-nuclear-safety-workers-cant-figure-rcna192345

"The termination notices, which read “effective today,” came within hours of a Russian drone striking the Chernobyl power plant in Ukraine. NNSA tracks nuclear risks in Ukraine, including through sensor systems."

The NNSA is clearly doing a lot more than maintaining America's nuclear stockpile. I don't see why I should be concerned for my safety knowing that some probationary employees were fired and then rehired and that the NNSA has a lot of other tasks that they are doing around the world which do not directly relate to America's nuclear stockpile. This alarmism is pretty dumb.

[Dr Van Nostrand]

This alarmism is pretty dumb.

Given that Trump has destroyed 90% of the businesses that carried his name and he is now in the White House practicing the same bumbling incompetency that led to a half dozen bankruptcies, we should all be alarmed.

Believing that Trump will be successful at anything but grift, megalomania and corruption is pretty dumb. It requires disregarding decades of Trumpian failure.

[honk]

The employees fired were probationary clerical workers. Therefore it is not likely that it they were critical to the integrity of America's nuclear stockpile. Probationary employees are not put in critical and sensitive positions for the reason that the permanence of their role is still in evaluation. This is also why probationary employees were terminated rather than regular employees.

The only reason why probationary employees rather than regular ones were fired is that probationary employees are a lot easier to fire. That's it. If Trump and Musk could have fired the regular employees as easily, they would have done so as well.

I don't see why I should be concerned for my safety knowing that some probationary employees were fired and then rehired and that the NNSA has a lot of other tasks that they are doing around the world which do not directly relate to America's nuclear stockpile. This alarmism is pretty dumb.

That's a blatant strawman. The problem being discussed isn't the nuclear stockpile or whether or not we should be in fear for our lives over nuclear stability, but that Trump and Musk have proved, once again, that they have no idea what they're doing. They fired a bunch of people from the Department of Energy without realizing that the department controls the nuclear stockpile, and presumably because those jobs were too important to be so casually cut, they had to offer the fired workers their jobs back. I won't claim that the DOE controlling the nuclear stockpile is basic common knowledge or something that "everyone" knows (I'm saying this because I suspect that otherwise someone will accuse me of implying that everyone knows about what the DOE does), but it's still information that's readily available to anyone willing to Google it. If Trump and Musk are going to gut the federal workforce, they owe it to the country to at the very least do some very, very basic research about the people they're firing before they, you know, fire them.

[Lord Dave]

Tom has never had a job, it seems, since he doesn't understand that even mission critical employees are probationary at the start.

Nor that work not done goes to others who may have more important things to do.
Also lost knowledge and skill.


But sure... Do what Musk did to Twitter: fire everyone then hire back who you need.  Probably at a lower pay and your probationary period resets because fuck you, employees.

[AATW]

Tom has never had a job, it seems, since he doesn't understand that even mission critical employees are probationary at the start.

It's just bizarre.
He genuinely seems to think that a "provisional" employee isn't a real employee and therefore doesn't matter. Maybe Trump and/or Musk thinks that too.
We're talking about people who may have been in the job for up to a year, even two years depending on the probation period.
Is the suggestion that employees don't do anything useful for the first year or two years of employment and can therefore be arbitrarily dismissed across the board without consequence?

But sure... Do what Musk did to Twitter: fire everyone then hire back who you need.  Probably at a lower pay and your probationary period resets because fuck you, employees.

What? You're saying that billionaires don't care about the average working man?
I'm shocked!

[Action80]

Without billionaires there would be no such thing as the average working man.

[AATW]

Without billionaires there would be no such thing as the average working man.

Well that's obvious bullshit. Yes of course you need people to create businesses.
You don't need anyone to become a billionaire and so detached from the reality of the average worker that they do crazy shit like this.

[Action80]

Prior to the term "billionaire" or even, "millionnaire," it seems most everyone was considered average, mirite?

If you are going to keep posting bullshit, or claim to have some sort of grasp as to what constitutes reality for anyone, much less the "average working man," you really need to stop with the fucking hyperbole.

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Without billionaires there would be no such thing as the average working man.

Without the average working man, there would be no billionaires.

Most billionaires are helpless without average people and lack the skills to manage day-to-day life without their staff. Watch one of them try to change a flat tire on a car or fix a toilet, very sad.

[AATW]

you really need to stop with the fucking hyperbole.

Without billionaires there would be no such thing as the average working man.

Hmm.

[Tom Bishop]

The problem being discussed isn't the nuclear stockpile or whether or not we should be in fear for our lives over nuclear stability, but that Trump and Musk have proved, once again, that they have no idea what they're doing.

So if they haven't put me in danger, why should I care? I don't see any argument for why anyone should care about these firings. If the President wants them out of the branch he oversees, then they are out. You seem to think that I care deeply about random probationary executive branch employees who were given the boot in cost cutting. I don't.

Tom has never had a job, it seems, since he doesn't understand that even mission critical employees are probationary at the start.

It's possible that they could have achieved mission critical status with a longer period of time, but they haven't, so they are out.

He genuinely seems to think that a "provisional" employee isn't a real employee and therefore doesn't matter. Maybe Trump and/or Musk thinks that too.
We're talking about people who may have been in the job for up to a year, even two years depending on the probation period.
Is the suggestion that employees don't do anything useful for the first year or two years of employment and can therefore be arbitrarily dismissed across the board without consequence?

Whether they are able to do anything useful is irrelevant. They were cut because they are disposable probationary employees. Only a portion of those cut were asked to return. If they didn't want to be disposable probationary employees who could be cut in the early period of their government career then they shouldn't have accepted the job.

[honk]

The problem being discussed isn't the nuclear stockpile or whether or not we should be in fear for our lives over nuclear stability, but that Trump and Musk have proved, once again, that they have no idea what they're doing.

So if they haven't put me in danger, why should I care? I don't see any argument for why anyone should care about these firings. If the President wants them out of the branch he oversees, then they are out. You seem to think that I care deeply about random probationary executive branch employees who were given the boot in cost cutting. I don't.

Again, what you should be concerned about is the fact that Trump and Musk don't know what they're doing and are making major decisions without doing basic research or preparation first. Perhaps no harm was done in this particular incident, but it won't be the only time something like this happens. Someone who always thinks that they're smarter and better-informed on every subject than everyone else, and assumes that every idea they have is a good one that should be carried out immediately without taking any time to consider the possible consequences is not going to be a good leader. In other news:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/trump-andrew-tate-romania-lift-travel-restrictions-1236139575/

Pathetic. Trump and co. are now going to bat for an odious rapist and sex trafficker. This case shouldn't even be crossing their desks. They're busy and have a million things to do running the country. But no, this is a priority for them. They're going out of their way to help out Andrew fucking Tate. They're sending a clear signal that Tate is their guy, that they have his back.

[Action80]

^Absent truth in advertising. ^Smear campaign.

[Lord Dave]

^Absent truth in advertising. ^Smear campaign.

Mass firings for no reason creates instability.  Then hiring them back shows that it was not something they should have done.  All they did is delay work, create more work, and make everyone who knows they have value start looking for another job.

There is no need for this.  Unless your goal is to destabilize the government and make the US very weak.

[Tom Bishop]

You guys have been bawwing about a subset of 50 people who were rehired. Tens of thousands have already been laid off or resigned, and hundreds of thousands more are on the chopping block in government downsizing.

In a recent CNN interview Kevin O'Leary applauds theses massive government cuts and calls for more, while CNN can only mumble out your incredibly poor talking point tactic of "wut about the nukes?  " This is same terrible tactic as you guys have used here, of finding something almost irrelevant and using it as justification that all cuts should stop.

https://twitter.com/ThomasMHern/status/1891698187188011458

[AATW]

So if they haven't put me in danger, why should I care? I don't see any argument for why anyone should care about these firings.

And that, right there, is the Republican mindset.
It doesn't affect me so fuck everyone else.

They were cut because they are disposable probationary employees.

No, they were cut because they were probationary employees. That doesn't mean they are disposable. It doesn't mean they're not doing mission critical stuff.
This is the thing you're not getting. As has been patiently explained to you, it just means they're in their first year or in some cases 2 years of employment.
People starting a new job don't just sit around for a year or two doing nothing important and then suddenly start being given the important stuff once they're out of probation period. As I've said, I'm not particularly arguing that there aren't too many federal workers, but if you need to make cuts you do so in a strategic way. You don't just bowl in and arbitrarily say that anyone who has been there less than a year or two is out the door. The fact they're having to re-hire some people demonstrates it was a stupid way of doing things.

[Lord Dave]

You guys have been bawwing about a subset of 50 people who were rehired. Tens of thousands have already been laid off or resigned, and hundreds of thousands more are on the chopping block in government downsizing.

In a recent CNN interview Kevin O'Leary applauds theses massive government cuts and calls for more, while CNN can only mumble out your incredibly poor talking point tactic of "wut about the nukes?  " This is same terrible tactic as you guys have used here, of finding something almost irrelevant and using it as justification that all cuts should stop.

https://twitter.com/ThomasMHern/status/1891698187188011458

Fire Trump's staff!  They're government employees!  And why does he need em?  He can write his own speeches.

[Action80]

LD, are you going to accept the DOGE dividend?

[Action80]

Sssshhh...Quiet everybody...AATW is about to post some evidence the probationary employees were doing some "real important shit!"

The actual GOP Jesus.