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« on: June 07, 2018, 02:44:11 PM »
A flat earth video gallery on the site is something that has been muted on and off for some time. Due to the implementation time I don't see it happening any time soon.

The idea being we can create the best flat earth video gallery resource on the internet with all the best videos to watch in one place.

However, there is no point building such a thing if we don't use it. To that end I thought I'd start a thread in here, for people to put the best videos.

These should be videos that clearly describe flat earth theories.
That are well made (unless the content is so groundbreaking, production quality is irrelevant).
The videos can be pro or anti-FE, but they must be notable for their quality or importance. A video with deGrasse Tyson may not be very insightful (his observations are usually very facile, he caters for the lowest common denominator), but he is a prominent figure. 
They can be mainstream news clips. Or public figures with pro/anti FE messages.

Feel free to embed with a timestamp to the relevant part, if part of a longer video to start the play at say 4 minutes 15 seconds in.

The hope is that if we end up with a lot of great videos, they can be tagged and searchable and then we can embed directly from youtube in order no one loses any ad revenue, views etc and we aren't stealing content. Only hosting embedded content so more people can enjoy the original and bringing more people interested in the topic to the best content.

Tagging would be very much appreciated so we know what the content is about and we can make it filterable later.

Suggested tags for videos.

#proFE or #antiFE for every video

Relevance
#FEinthenews
#FEcelebrity
#FEtheory

Topic
#universalacceleartion
#flighttimes
#corilolis

We aren't interested in just mainstream RE. It has to be as part of a rebuttal to FE. Videos on just coriolis would be pointless in a flat earth video library.
Add appropriate tags as necessary but try to stick to pro/anti, relevance and topic so we can make filters. We'd also look at views and date made later for popular vids or trending or latest options.

Lets see. If this thread becomes a good resource, we can look to put together a proper library. If not, we knew not to waste our time.

Re: flatTube
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2018, 02:46:22 PM »


#proFE
#FEtheory
#marksargant
#FEintroduction

Re: flatTube
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2018, 02:47:53 PM »


#proFE
#FEinthenews
#madmikehuges
#steamrocket

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Re: flatTube
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2018, 07:33:59 AM »
There are way too many Flat Earth videos -- hundreds of them -- to go through them one by one and create tags. My suggestion is to do massive YouTube scrapes of Flat Earth videos and video titles/descriptions from the big authors rather than doing it on a video by video basis.

Here is the scraping method, that I sent to you via PM when we were talking about it: https://www.shivarweb.com/4277/scrape-export-video-information-youtube/

If we scrape the titles and descriptions with the video links then we won't have to create tags. The title and description already has the key words of "Coriolis Effect" or whatever the topic may be.

I think we can add tags to further categorize them if we wish, but I feel that this is more optional if we make the tiles and descriptions searchable. I like your #FEIntroduction tag, as this provides a tag by a reviewer that is probably not in the title or description. However, when looking at various videos I did not really feel like I could provide much more than what was already in the title and descriptions. These people are already making their videos with the appropriate descriptions and titles for YouTube searches. We should use them.

The scraper tool also captures the YouTube tags people are applying to the video as well.

For this venture I think we should scrape the videos of the following authors:

Globe Busters - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXIovaBdnA4UHdd-TZ-MqRg/videos

Jeranism - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS_FY5mR4g22L_E9t1D_ExQ/videos

P-Brane - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7pHE0PsVBBGIyAShyyUCqQ/videos

The Flat Earth Podcast - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSxKBShys3kLEZJqJPS0WAg/videos

Those are my favorite channels.

But also, we should consider the authors in this thread on the other site: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66306.0
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Re: flatTube
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2018, 05:45:40 AM »
Posters on the other site have recommended the Celebrate Truth channel. I took a look at one of their videos and the quality seemed to be pretty good.

« Last Edit: June 12, 2018, 02:45:32 PM by Tom Bishop »

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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2018, 09:13:47 AM »
Posters on the other site have recommended the Celebrate Truth channel. I took a look at one of their videos and the quality seemed pretty good.


Wait what? They think the government own TFES to provide bad information? I mean that might explain why Daniel is so useless and does nothing, being a civil servant and all, but even civil servants can't take 12 years off.

Apart from the obvious slam to the flat earth society, the rest of the video is good. Why take a pop at the very people who made flat earth a thing on the internet? Where's Pizzaplanet. We need to do some PR!

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Re: flatTube
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2018, 09:30:40 AM »
I'm surprised you didn't know about this. A few profit-driven FE'ers (cough, Dubay, cough) decided to promote that idea that we're "controlled opposition", and naturally some people bought into it.

I wouldn't pay much attention to them, if I were you. They're not very numerous, and from what I've seen most of them are beyond redemption. It's the same crowd as Pizzagaters and homeopaths - we're honestly better off with them avoiding us.
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Re: flatTube
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2018, 07:01:49 PM »
They are still dragging our name through the mud, regardless of whether we ignore it. We should seek to get better integrated with the YouTube community.

Our own tube site where we embed videos from the FE community seems like a good way to go. We can put a disclaimer that the content is from the Flat Earth community. Problem solved. The videos can say whatever they want. We can also make a form or method for people to submit their own video links.

There will be bad science, sure, but that's what the disclaimer is for, and it gives the bad science exposure to develop.

I generally think that this website (the whole Flat Earth Society) should be an open platform for FE ideas and discussion, rather than something that sows division.
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Re: flatTube
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2018, 07:15:55 PM »
In some ways, I agree. This is similar to the suggestion Bob gave when I was on Globebusters. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely don't think sowing division is the way to go, but our resources are limited. I, for one, have already committed all the time I can afford to this cause. I suspect so have you. Unless one of us decides that something we're already doing is less worthwhile than this, how do you propose we proceed?
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Re: flatTube
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2018, 09:38:15 PM »
This is how I envision the grand plan:

Phase I: Self Sustaining Debates

At the moment we continue on with the plan in the Suggestions Forum on changing around the society to get away from the bad "debate the experts" theme, and also create the Flat Earth Projects and Community forums where we can discuss and work on projects.

Phase II: Attract YouTube Community

Now that the debates can take care of themselves, one of our first projects in the Flat Earth Projects/Community forum will be to attract the YouTube community with a Flat Earth Tube. Create a sub domain and give ftp access to thork, me, and whoever else wants to be admins of that project. Maintenance and upkeep can be handled by us. I am willing to work on this, and I am guessing that others in the community are willing to help as well. We can take a roll count of interest and start on this phase once we have the appropriate forums.

Once we have the tube website up, which clearly advertises itself as an open platform for all Flat Earth ideas, we invite authors of the YouTube community, like GlobeBusters, to contribute to the Wiki and forum and expand on their ideas. The authors have an interest in the upkeep and display of their ideas, since their content is advertised here.

Phase III: Seek to join forces with the other Flat Earth Society as well

This one would be more controversial; but at some point in the future we should also consider extending an olive branch of peace to the other Flat Earth website and offer a link exchange. We will link to some of their projects on our site, and they can link to our projects. There are certain things that we excel in, and there are certain things that they excel in. There are things that we just don't have time to do, and things that they don't have time to do. For example, they have a better Library, and we have a better Wiki. I want their Library, and they probably have an interest in our Wiki. An innocent cross-link exchange of such things would be beneficial for both websites. We can discuss stripping out direct links to the forum on those pages to make the offer agreeable (we don't have a direct link to the forum on our Wiki anyway). Hopefully with this kind of starting cooperation we can eventually cross-link more and more projects until we are one again.

If all of the above is successful, perhaps by this time next year we will have made good progress towards a single, powerful, Flat Earth Society.
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Re: flatTube
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2018, 12:48:01 AM »
Phase I should have been done already. This is a quick thing to do. Merge a few boards, some renaming. We just have to come to some descision.

Phase II ... I don't mind helping build the flatTube portal and then handing it over to the admin for integration and to pull out all the malicious code I put in there. I like Phase II because its a way for us to provide great flat earth content without us having to actually make any content.

Phase III ... it'll be a cold day in hell before I endorse John Davis on anything, so you'll be on your own for that one.


Lets finish phase one before we even begin phase 2. We seem to be very good at starting projects around here, delivering them is quite another matter. It would dampen down any apathy to projects from broken dreams in the past and as Tom says, hopefully free up more time for TFES lifers who aren't required to participate so heavily in the upper forums.
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Re: flatTube
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2018, 05:13:34 AM »
Phase I should have been done already. This is a quick thing to do. Merge a few boards, some renaming. We just have to come to some descision.

Are we waiting for a decision or more discussion? I thought it came to a conclusion.

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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2018, 06:12:50 AM »
Are we waiting for a decision or more discussion? I thought it came to a conclusion.
Have you talked to Parsifal or are you just hoping that one day he'll notice the thread and action it?
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Re: flatTube
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2018, 11:02:04 PM »
I spoke to Parsifal and there is confusion about what we agreed on. I'm going to make a recap post.

I recently came across the Flat Earth Brothers channel, which has some okay ones:

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