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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Tom Bishop on May 03, 2014, 05:14:15 AM
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Who is the NBA to condemn Donald Sterling for his opinions on people with certain physical characteristics, when the association is itself guilty of discriminating against people for their physical characteristics?
Why isn't the NBA recruiting 5 foot tall Chinese men to play on their teams? Where are all of the Korean women? They are selecting a certain race and gender because they are fast and tall.
The entire thing should be shuttered. The recent actions and announcements from the board that the NBA is an inclusive organization and vehemently against discrimination is a load of BS.
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Who is the NBA to condemn Donald Sterling for his opinions on people with certain physical characteristics, when the association is itself guilty of discriminating against people for their physical characteristics?
Why isn't the NBA recruiting 5 foot tall Chinese men to play on their teams? Where are all of the Korean women? They are selecting a certain race and gender because they are fast and tall.
No they do not select a race because they are fast and tall. They select fast and tall people, many of them are black. If there was a dearth of fast and tall chinese women, guess what the league would be constituted with?
The entire thing should be shuttered. The recent actions and announcements from the board that the NBA is an inclusive organization and vehemently against discrimination is a load of BS.
Meh, Donald Sterling is a dick. Social stigmatization is what he deserves. Not to mention he is a marketing nightmare.
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Who is the NBA to condemn Donald Sterling for his opinions on people with certain physical characteristics, when the association is itself guilty of discriminating against people for their physical characteristics?
If you think that the NBA banned Sterling to punish him for being a racist, then you're an idiot.
The NBA is a for-profit enterprise. The LA Clippers are a franchise of that enterprise. The owner of that franchise has made himself a liability to both the franchise, and the league. If it cares about making as much profit as possible (typically the point of a business), then they'd be absolutely insane not to do everything in their power to take that franchise away from him.
Businesses exist to make profit. If you're the NBA, employing Chinese women to play basketball is bad for business. So is a franchise owner who gets taped making racist statements that get played on TMZ. It's that simple.
That's why the NBA didn't say shit when Sterling was sued by the federal government for housing discrimination against minority tenants. It wasn't on TMZ, so no one gave a shit.
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That's why the NBA didn't say shit when Sterling was sued by the federal government for housing discrimination against minority tenants. It wasn't on TMZ, so no one gave a shit. The NBA is a business. It exists to make money.
He settled the lawsuits without prejudice. The NBA could not really substantiate a case if Sterling decided to sue them which he likely would have. This incident was slam dunk (see what I did there?).
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That's why the NBA didn't say shit when Sterling was sued by the federal government for housing discrimination against minority tenants. It wasn't on TMZ, so no one gave a shit. The NBA is a business. It exists to make money.
He settled the lawsuits without prejudice. The NBA could not really substantiate a case if Sterling decided to sue them which he likely would have. This incident was slam dunk (see what I did there?).
I know virtually nothing about the legal side of any of this, but I think the NBA agreement gives the Board of Governors pretty broad authority to do what they want so long as they have the support of 2/3 of the owners. I think the BoG has its own hearing where they can run a full-court press...
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The hysterical reaction to this from people sobbing about "free speech" reminds me of the similar response to the Duck Dynasty incident. Here, have an xkcd:
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png)
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Does anyone else find it amusingly hypocritical that a guy who made such racist remarks has a mixed race girlfriend?
(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/V.-Stiviano-Donald-Sterling.jpg)
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No they do not select a race because they are fast and tall. They select fast and tall people, many of them are black. If there was a dearth of fast and tall chinese women, guess what the league would be constituted with?
But the fact is that there are not a lot of tall Chinese women. The NBA is discriminating against them by not recruiting them to play on their teams because of their physical characteristics. This is diametrically opposed to their recent lengthy statements that the NBA is an inclusive association and does not tolerate discrimination in any manner.
Businesses exist to make profit. If you're the NBA, employing Chinese women to play basketball is bad for business.
That doesn't make discrimination right.
Meh, Donald Sterling is a dick. Social stigmatization is what he deserves. Not to mention he is a marketing nightmare.
Donald Sterling was unfairly stigmatized. If you listen to the entire tape he explains his reasoning for not wanting her associate with black people in public, with her slutty poses around them, because he was receiving numerous calls and hate mail from racists who were upset about it.
If you were traveling abroad are sending your daughter to an all-Indian school, as the only Caucasian girl there, you might get a lot of comments and abuse. Is it racist to get fed up with it and take her out of that Indian school?
Donald Sterling explains in the tape that he is just an old man, and does not want to fight the world. He wants to do the simplest thing and have her avoid controversy. I encourage you to find and listen to the full tape. He denies numerous times that his decision has anything to do with hate of black people, but it is simply what must be done because of the society of which we live.
http://deadspin.com/exclusive-the-extended-donald-sterling-tape-1568291249
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Does anyone else find it amusingly hypocritical that a guy who made such racist remarks has a mixed race girlfriend?
It doesn't seem very hypocritical if you listen to the actual tapes to get his unfiltered views and opinion on the subject.
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Short Chinese women would suck at basketball. It is not racial discrimination to hire someone that would excel at their job.
I listened to the whole tape. I hear a racist making excuses for his beliefs. I could care less if he is old and world weary. If he feels that way he should become a hermit. I don't buy it anyway since he has multiple discrimination suits against him and a reputation amongst NBA insiders and journalists as a crotchety, misanthropic bigot.
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Does anyone else find it amusingly hypocritical that a guy who made such racist remarks has a mixed race girlfriend?
She doesn't seem to believe he's racist (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619276/Im-Mr-Sterlings-Im-confidante-best-friend-silly-rabbit-V-Stiviano-opens-relationship-generous-kind-Donald-Sterling.html), either. It seems that, if anything, this is evidence against him being racist.
'I think the things he says are not the things he feels,' she said. 'Anyone can say anything in the heat of the moment.'
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From the Daily Mail article above:
She wouldn't allow Sterling to take meetings with certain people, Stiviano told Walters, which angered his business peers.
She said that executives and board members of the Clippers who were jealous of the free reign she had when it came to the team would call Sterling and tell him that Stiviano had brought people 'who look a certain way' to Clippers games when he wasn't there.
But not just black people, Stiviano claimed, but people 'that didn't give me a good look,' like 'gangsters,' 'thugs,' 'bad women.'
It makes sense to me. His business partners perceived her as being his mistress/girlfriend when he brought her to games. The comments he received are as expected. If your girlfriend starts taking other guys to parties when you are absent, to have a good time, outside observers might have some not so nice comments to say, too.
Sterling was being attacked by racist and classist remarks, and his options were either to fight the world and the opinions of his business partners, or simply have his girlfriend/mistress to cease her actions and end all controversy.
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Businesses exist to make profit. If you're the NBA, employing Chinese women to play basketball is bad for business.
That doesn't make discrimination right.
If you treat all discrimination of any kind equally, sure. That's asinine. It makes you sound like an idiot.
The MLB refusing to employ Jackie Robinson because he's black is wrong. The NBA refusing to employ me because I suck at basketball is perfectly fine. If you can't see the difference between these two things, then you're an idiot.
I want to hear you say, explicitly, that you think that it's morally wrong for an NBA franchise to discriminate against employees based on who is and isn't good at basketball.
Also, you should have actually read the article you posted. It has a nice link to all of the other racists shit Sterling has been documented saying. (http://deadspin.com/your-complete-quotable-guide-to-decades-of-donald-sterl-1568047212) Not that it matters to you, I imagine. You already glossed over the whole "I don't want Magic Johnson at my games," and the shit about black people being "the enemy."
And somehow in your mind Sterling is defending himself from racism? What?
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Does anyone else find it amusingly hypocritical that a guy who made such racist remarks has a mixed race girlfriend?
She doesn't seem to believe he's racist (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619276/Im-Mr-Sterlings-Im-confidante-best-friend-silly-rabbit-V-Stiviano-opens-relationship-generous-kind-Donald-Sterling.html), either. It seems that, if anything, this is evidence against him being racist.
'I think the things he says are not the things he feels,' she said. 'Anyone can say anything in the heat of the moment.'
She also surmises that he thinks the way he does because he grew up in an older time which smacks of apologetics for racism.
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Businesses exist to make profit. If you're the NBA, employing Chinese women to play basketball is bad for business.
That doesn't make discrimination right.
If you treat all discrimination of any kind equally, sure. That's asinine. It makes you sound like an idiot.
The MLB refusing to employ Jackie Robinson because he's black is wrong. The NBA refusing to employ me because I suck at basketball is perfectly fine. If you can't see the difference between these two things, then you're an idiot.
I want to hear you say, explicitly, that you think that it's morally wrong for an NBA franchise to discriminate against employees based on who is and isn't good at basketball.
I am simply pointing out that the lengthy statements the NBA has made, that they never discriminate, and that they are an inclusive, open association, is false and hypocritical.
The idea that the NBA doesn't hire Chinese women as basketball players because it would result in bad business is as valid as Sterling opinion that his girlfriend's actions would result in bad business. Both actions are discriminatory. Both actions can be passed under the "it's just business" scapegoat you are flaunting.
If discrimination is wrong, then it is wrong at all levels, not just what you pick and choose.
Also, you should have actually read the article you posted. It has a nice link to all of the other racists shit Sterling has been documented saying. Not that it matters. You already glossed over the whole "I don't want Magic Johnson at my games," and the shit about black people being "the enemy."
And somehow in your mind Sterling is defending himself from racism? What?]Also, you should have actually read the article you posted. It has a nice link to all of the other racists shit Sterling has been documented saying. Not that it matters. You already glossed over the whole "I don't want Magic Johnson at my games," and the shit about black people being "the enemy."
And somehow in your mind Sterling is defending himself from racism? What?
I didn't read anything about black people being the enemy.
If your girlfriend started going to parties with other guys, causing you to receive all manner of racist comments and treatment, you would probably want her to stop, too.
If you sent your daughter to an all-Indian school, and received continuing abuse for it, you would want to take her out of that school, too. Are you a RACIST for taking your daughter out of the Indian school? You are discriminating against Indians, after all, not wanting your daughter to be associated with them because of their race. I have not yet received an answer to this question. I believe it to be very valid and pertinent to the issue at hand.
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I am simply pointing out that the lengthy statements the NBA has made, that they never discriminate, and that they are an inclusive, open association, is false and hypocritical.
I cannot find any quote by any NBA representative, including Adam Silver's press conference, saying that the NBA never discriminates. Please provide me with a quote so that I can better understand what makes you think that the NBA's position is that it's wrong for anyone anywhere to ever discriminate against anyone else for any reason of any kind, and that everyone is free to be included and associated with the NBA to any degree without being discriminated against for any reason, including being bad at basketball. I can't really find anything like that, but maybe I missed it.
The NBA doesn't hire Chinese women as basketball players because it would result in bad business is as valid as Sterling opinion that his girlfriend's actions would result in bad business. Both actions are discriminatory. Both actions can be passed under the "it's just business" scapegoat you are flaunting.
I just want to get this straight. You heard that whole transcript, and what you took away from it is that Donald Sterling thinks that his girlfriend associating with Magic Johnson (or anyone else) is bad for business. You think that?
If discrimination is wrong, then it is wrong at all levels, not just what you pick and choose.
That's an incredibly infantile view of discrimination. Discriminating on 'how good are you at basketball' is pretty different from discriminating on 'how white are you.' Honestly, tell me that you can't see the difference.
I didn't read anything about black people being the enemy.
If your girlfriend started going to parties with other guys, causing you to receive all manner of racist comments and treatment, you would probably want her to stop, too.
If you sent your daughter to an all-Indian school, and received continuing abuse for it, you would want to take her out of that school, too. Are you a RACIST for taking your daughter out of the Indian school? You are discriminating against Indians, after all, not wanting your daughter to be associated with them because of their race. I have not yet received an answer to this question. I believe it to be very valid and pertinent to the issue at hand.
The 'enemy' bit is contained in the link I posted.
I don't hear Sterling anywhere describe that he's being abused. He says he's receiving negative comments from associates. He doesn't say anything about it hurting business or anything like that. You know why?
Because Magic Johnson's presence at a Clippers game is not bad for business. That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. It's like saying that bringing Magic Johnson to a basketball game is going to hurt...oh wait, I just covered that.
And no, I don't think that the best response to aggressive racists is to submit to them and become a racist. Your comparison isn't apples to apples, anyway. If my child were in a threatening environment of any kind I would want her removed from that environment. Race is irrelevant to that.
In a more accurate comparison, if I sent my daughter to an all-Indian school and some friends of mine starting 'abusing' me with racist remarks about it, I'd get new friends. Or stand up for my daughter. Or really anything else but submitting to their racism.
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I cannot find any quote by any NBA representative, including Adam Silver's press conference, saying that the NBA never discriminates.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/transcript-silver-sterling-press-conference-article-1.1773513#ixzz30fhaAzLR
"Sentiments of this kind are contrary to the principles of inclusion and respect that form the foundation of our diverse, multicultural and multiethnic league."
Silver is suggesting that a foundation of the league is diversity. It is not. Where are all the Korean woman?
He further suggests that the league is founded on multicultural and multiethnic inclusion. It is not. How many Chinese players are being recruited?
If the NBA were truly diverse a basketball team would look like something out of a YMCA infomercial.
I just want to get this straight. You heard that whole transcript, and what you took away from it is that Donald Sterling thinks that his girlfriend associating with Magic Johnson (or anyone else) is bad for business. You think that?
Did you read the Daily Mail article? He was receiving abuse from his business partners because of his girlfriend's actions.
If discrimination is wrong, then it is wrong at all levels, not just what you pick and choose.
That's an incredibly infantile view of discrimination. Discriminating on 'how good are you at basketball' is pretty different from discriminating on 'how white are you.' Honestly, tell me that you can't see the difference.
Basketball is played the world over. There are athletes of all genders and races. But the league seems content with recruiting mainly black americans.
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Does anyone else find it amusingly hypocritical that a guy who made such racist remarks has a mixed race girlfriend?
(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/V.-Stiviano-Donald-Sterling.jpg)
She's only with him to make him look less racist than he obviously is. Also, because he has money. Gold digger confirmed.
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And no, I don't think that the best response to aggressive racists is to submit to them and become a racist. Your comparison isn't apples to apples, anyway. If my child were in a threatening environment of any kind I would want her removed from that environment. Race is irrelevant to that.
In a more accurate comparison, if I sent my daughter to an all-Indian school and some friends of mine starting 'abusing' me with racist remarks about it, I'd get new friends. Or stand up for my daughter. Or really anything else but submitting to their racism.
That was not my question. I asked that if you sent your daughter to an all-Indian school and you started receiving continuing abuse for it (I didn't specify whether it was from your friends) and you finally got fed up with it and took her out of that school, are you then a RACIST for taking her out of the Indian school? You are taking her out of the school because of their race. You must therefore be a RACIST, right?
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Does anyone else find it amusingly hypocritical that a guy who made such racist remarks has a mixed race girlfriend?
(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/V.-Stiviano-Donald-Sterling.jpg)
Not really. Slave owners got with their slaves too. If you think you're in a higher station than another race than you feel you have the right to use them. Do you think he actually cares for or loves his girlfriend?
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Do you think he actually cares for or loves his girlfriend?
I would assume nothing else without good reason. It would be (and is, in your case) quite disrespectful to throw an accusation like that wildly.
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Do you think he actually cares for or loves his girlfriend?
I would assume nothing else without good reason. It would be (and is, in your case) quite disrespectful to throw an accusation like that wildly.
Common sense and human nature dictate otherwise. The woman could get someone far more attractive (on the outside, and probably on the inside) than him. The relationship is mutually beneficial however (one gets money, the other gets to look good to the public among... other things)... so to say that their relationship is a farce is unfair, but to say that she's a trophy girlfriend and that he's the rich sugar daddy isn't that far of a stretch.
I think the point is that: just because he has a "mixed race" girlfriend doesn't mean anything. He could still be a racist bastard for all we know, even if she has come out and said otherwise (isn't that what a good trophy GF is supposed to do?).
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Common sense and human nature dictate otherwise. The woman could get someone far more attractive (on the outside, and probably on the inside) than him.
I'll agree that she doesn't love him (she said so herself[1], so it's not a big claim to make), but I see no reason to suspect that he doesn't love or care for her.
[1] - "'I love him,' Stiviano responded, smiling widely, adding that she's not in love but rather loves him 'like a father figure.'" - Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619276/Im-Mr-Sterlings-Im-confidante-best-friend-silly-rabbit-V-Stiviano-opens-relationship-generous-kind-Donald-Sterling.html)
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Common sense and human nature dictate otherwise. The woman could get someone far more attractive (on the outside, and probably on the inside) than him.
I'll agree that she doesn't love him (she said so herself, so it's not a big claim to make), but I see no reason to suspect that he doesn't love or care for her.
I'm sure he does on some level. I didn't claim otherwise.
[1] - "'I love him,' Stiviano responded, smiling widely, adding that she's not in love but rather loves him 'like a father figure.'" - Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619276/Im-Mr-Sterlings-Im-confidante-best-friend-silly-rabbit-V-Stiviano-opens-relationship-generous-kind-Donald-Sterling.html)
That's actually creepy. I guess some women have no qualms about sleeping with their fathers.
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I didn't claim otherwise.
Rooster did (or at least implied it), which is what I'm strongly objecting to.
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Do you think he actually cares for or loves his girlfriend?
I would assume nothing else without good reason. It would be (and is, in your case) quite disrespectful to throw an accusation like that wildly.
I'm not wildly throwing any accusations. That's the beauty of implications.
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I cannot find any quote by any NBA representative, including Adam Silver's press conference, saying that the NBA never discriminates.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/transcript-silver-sterling-press-conference-article-1.1773513#ixzz30fhaAzLR
"Sentiments of this kind are contrary to the principles of inclusion and respect that form the foundation of our diverse, multicultural and multiethnic league."
Silver is suggesting that a foundation of the league is diversity. It is not. Where are all the Korean woman?
Where does that statement say anything about being gender inclusive? ???
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/transcript-silver-sterling-press-conference-article-1.1773513#ixzz30fhaAzLR
"Sentiments of this kind are contrary to the principles of inclusion and respect that form the foundation of our diverse, multicultural and multiethnic league."
Silver is suggesting that a foundation of the league is diversity. It is not. Where are all the Korean woman?
He further suggests that the league is founded on multicultural and multiethnic inclusion. It is not. How many Chinese players are being recruited?
If the NBA were truly diverse a basketball team would look like something out of a YMCA infomercial.
Sorry, I can't take this argument seriously anymore. If you can't figure out the difference between race discrimination and talent discrimination, then you're an idiot. Korean and Chinese citizens are welcome to play basketball in the NBA if they are talented enough to do it. That there are few Korean and Chinese citizens with the requisite talent and desire to play NBA basketball doesn't mean that the NBA doesn't value multiculturalism. That's mindbogglingly asinine.
Did you read the Daily Mail article? He was receiving abuse from his business partners because of his girlfriend's actions.
The article says that some board members called him and told him that they didn't like the look of his girlfriend's associates. No one, including Sterling, uses the word abuse. You're just inventing that. No one, including Sterling, says anything about anyone being bad for business. You're trying to pretend that this guy is being harassed by racists into acting racist to avoid some kind of threat. That's totally absurd.
Basketball is played the world over. There are athletes of all genders and races. But the league seems content with recruiting mainly black americans.
Because individuals in that demographic are overwhelmingly more likely to have both the talent and desire to play NBA basketball. I dunno why you're trying to pretend that it has anything to do with race, as if the NBA has few Chinese players because they hate Chinese people. That's idiotic.
That was not my question. I asked that if you sent your daughter to an all-Indian school and you started receiving continuing abuse for it (I didn't specify whether it was from your friends) and you finally got fed up with it and took her out of that school, are you then a RACIST for taking her out of the Indian school? You are taking her out of the school because of their race. You must therefore be a RACIST, right?
Let me be more clear. I wouldn't pull my daughter out of her school and send her to a new one just because I got some phone calls from some racists telling me that they didn't like Indian people. That's absurd. And, yes, I think that submitting to racists and behaving as they command you to behave is probably going to cause you to do some racist things. Acting like a coward doesn't stop one from also acting like a racist.
But let's make a real apples-to-apples comparison: If I owned a sports franchise and got calls from board members telling me to stop associating with minorities, I can't imagine how that could possibly be so traumatic to me that I'd actually submit to it.
Your narrarive of the sweet old man who got harassed into accidentally saying a bunch of super racist shit on tape is completely bogus. Sterling didn't receive threats. His business wasn't in jeopardy. At worst, some racists were mean to him. Big fucking deal. He's an adult. It makes no sense that that would be the cause of his remarks.
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If you can't figure out the difference between race discrimination and talent discrimination, then you're an idiot. Korean and Chinese citizens are welcome to play basketball in the NBA if they are talented enough to do it. That there are few Korean and Chinese citizens with the requisite talent [...]
Whoa, whoa, slow down. Are you saying there generally are physical differences between races?
I wouldn't pull my daughter out of her school and send her to a new one just because I got some phone calls from some racists telling me that they didn't like Indian people. That's absurd.
It is also irrelevant. We're not asking what you'd do, we're asking if it's a racist thing to do.
And, yes, I think that submitting to racists and behaving as they command you to behave is probably going to cause you to do some racist things.
Be specific. In Tom's scenario, would pulling your daughter out of the school make you a racist?
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What about this guy?
(http://i.imgur.com/HWWfFlR.jpg)
Let's try to ignore the obvious product placement.
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What about this guy?
Yao Ming is a Korean woman? ???
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What about this guy?
Yao Ming is a Korean woman? ???
No, but he's a Chinese man. Women can't play sports. I thought this was common knowledge?
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Yao Ming is a Korean woman? ???
No, Yao Ming is Chinese. As for the gender, I would hate to attach any labels to Yao Ming without first asking Yao Ming and receiving a certified response stating Yao Ming's preferred pronouns and gender identity.
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Does anyone else find it amusingly hypocritical that a guy who made such racist remarks has a mixed race girlfriend?
(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/V.-Stiviano-Donald-Sterling.jpg)
Not really. Slave owners got with their slaves too. If you think you're in a higher station than another race than you feel you have the right to use them. Do you think he actually cares for or loves his girlfriend?
Do you think she loves him ... or his money? I doubt he is stupid enough to think she does.
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What about this guy?
Yao Ming is a Korean woman? ???
No, but he's a Chinese man. Women can't play sports. I thought this was common knowledge?
Apparently talent is irrelevant to inclusion.
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If you can't figure out the difference between race discrimination and talent discrimination, then you're an idiot. Korean and Chinese citizens are welcome to play basketball in the NBA if they are talented enough to do it. That there are few Korean and Chinese citizens with the requisite talent [...] and desire
Whoa, whoa, slow down. Are you saying there generally are physical differences between races?
Um, no. You just lopped off the end of my sentence to make it seem that way. It's yet another demonstration of your complete inability to fairly characterize others' arguments.
Few Chinese or Korean athletes with the requisite talent to compete in NBA basketball are interested in doing so. There are fewer opportunities for young Chinese and Korean athletes to learn and play basketball since it isn't as popular in those cultures. It's probably also just easier, cheaper, and more popular to recruit and scout American athletes over foreign ones. There are undoubtedly fewer opportunities for a foreign athlete to prove to an American franchise that he has the requisite skills to compete for a spot on a NBA roster.
And, yes, I think that submitting to racists and behaving as they command you to behave is probably going to cause you to do some racist things.
Be specific. In Tom's scenario, would pulling your daughter out of the school make you a racist?
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: No, it doesn't cause you to suddenly be a person who believes in racial superiority. Yes, telling your daughter not to associate with Indian people is a racist thing to do (a much more accurate analogy to what really happened; Sterling didn't pull his girlfriend out of the NBA...he told her not to associate with black people). Yes, pulling your daughter out of her school simply because Indian students attend it is a racist thing to do. People who do not believe in racial superiority are still capable of doing racist things and behaving in a racist manner.
Not that I don't love argument by analogy, but let's at least use a relatively accurate one. Sterling's girlfriend is an adult, he didn't pull her out of the NBA, and he wasn't "continually abused" (Tom is literally just making that up). Let's stop pretending that Sterling was some random, sweet, loving old dude somehow duped into saying something racist when he doesn't really mean any of it. He has a documented history of saying some pretty fucked up shit about racial minorities.
More accurately, if I was a NBA franchise owner and I received regular phone calls from my BoG telling me to make my girlfriend stop associating with black people, I think it would be racist of me to tell my girlfriend to stop associating with black people. That would be a racist thing to do. The fact that a bunch of people called me and told me to behave in a racist way wouldn't absolve me of behaving like a racist.
And it's all irrelevant anyway. It doesn't mater if he's a racist or not. The NBA's labor pool believe he's racist. The NBA's customers believe he's racist. The NBA is in the business of making cash hand-over-fist, and they need customers and a labor pool to do that. He's got to go.
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Do you think she loves him ... or his money? I doubt he is stupid enough to think she does.
This was about him and why it's not strange for a racist to be with a girl of color. Her feelings and motivations are irrelevant.
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Do you think she loves him ... or his money? I doubt he is stupid enough to think she does.
This was about him and why it's not strange for a racist to be with a girl of color. Her feelings and motivations are irrelevant.
Are you defending a gold digging layabout because she's female?
I smell some feminism in this post.
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Um, no. You just lopped off the end of my sentence to make it seem that way. It's yet another demonstration of your complete inability to fairly characterize others' arguments.
Few Chinese or Korean athletes with the requisite talent to compete in NBA basketball are interested in doing so. There are fewer opportunities for young Chinese and Korean athletes to learn and play basketball since it isn't as popular in those cultures. It's probably also just easier, cheaper, and more popular to recruit and scout American athletes over foreign ones. There are undoubtedly fewer opportunities for a foreign athlete to prove to an American franchise that he has the requisite skills to compete for a spot on a NBA roster.
Ah, right. Sorry, I was under the assumption that you were about to say something reasonable for once. So you're of the belief that the average low height of Chinese and Korean people has nothing to do with it, and it's all about training and desire. Typical "well informed, thanks" approach.
Long answer: No, it doesn't cause you to suddenly be a person who believes in racial superiority.
Fantastic! You are capable of saying something that's not fundamentally wrong on occasion!
And it's all irrelevant anyway. It doesn't mater if he's a racist or not. The NBA's labor pool believe he's racist. The NBA's customers believe he's racist. The NBA is in the business of making cash hand-over-fist, and they need customers and a labor pool to do that. He's got to go.
It's not irrelevant. We all know that the people think he's racist. We argue that it's an unfair and uneducated position.
An analogy:
1. inquisitive says "pizaaplanet is stupid for believing the Earth is a cube!"
2. Tom Bishop says "pizaaplanet doesn't believe the Earth is a cube, it just appears that way."
3. garygreen says "He obviously believes it, you're just making things up."
4. Irushwithscvs says "He clearly does not believe it. Imagine you could be popular and pull all the girls by claiming the Earth is a cube, you'd totally do it too."
5. garygreen says "That's a terrible analogy, but no, I wouldn't. Besides, it's irrelevant. People believe that he believes the Earth is a cube". garygreen entirely misses the point of the discussion, and ends up contributing much less than he intended to.
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Do you think she loves him ... or his money? I doubt he is stupid enough to think she does.
This was about him and why it's not strange for a racist to be with a girl of color. Her feelings and motivations are irrelevant.
Are you defending a gold digging layabout because she's female?
No.
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Meanwhile, people who understand what actually happened are having quite a laugh and other innocent people are suffering from the bandwagon. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/01/leon-jenkins-naacp-resigns-donald-sterling/8589257/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6bLKe9-Mto
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Meanwhile, people who understand what actually happened are having quite a laugh
Just out of curiosity, tell me exactly what point you think Bomani Jones is making. I don't think he's supporting your argument the way you think he does. I'm guessing that you just listened to the first few minutes and tuned out after you heard what you wanted to hear, not realizing that it was the set-up for his real point: Donald Sterling has a long, documented history of being a vicious racist, and this is the least of all the racist things he's done. He's literally criticizing the league and fans (he calls them 'frauds') for the current level of tolerance of Sterling. He's saying that we should be less tolerant of Sterling than we currently are.
For example, this Bomani Jones article about what a raging racist Donald Sterling is: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060810
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Just out of curiosity, tell me exactly what point you think Bomani Jones is making. I don't think he's supporting your argument the way you think he does. I'm guessing that you just listened to the first few minutes and tuned out after you heard what you wanted to hear, not realizing that it was the set-up for his real point
You need to stop guessing (you're supposed to be "well informed, thanks")! It won't get you far, what with your natural anti-talent for getting things right and staying on topic.
Yes, Bomani Jones made a decent case for why Sterling might have been a racist in 2006. His actions been dealt with appropriately within the legal mechanisms designated for that purpose. They are irrelevant to this discussion. What is relevant, however, is that this particular situation is absolutely no reason for a backlash - there have been better reasons, and more appropriate backlashes have already occurred.
All in all, I'm glad that throughout your drivel you managed to agree that the situation is (at least relatively) not racist. Granted, it contradicts your previous statements, but I expect nothing else.
For example, this Bomani Jones article about what a raging racist Donald Sterling is: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060810
Congratulations, you successfully linked me to an article the video discusses. Give it a few more tries and you might actually finish researching the subject (which you should have done before discussing it, of course).
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Yes, Bomani Jones made a decent case for why Sterling might have been a racist in 2006. His actions been dealt with appropriately within the legal mechanisms designated for that purpose. They are irrelevant to this discussion. What is relevant, however, is that this particular situation is absolutely no reason for a backlash - there have been better reasons, and more appropriate backlashes have already occurred.
Jones doesn't say any of that. He doesn't say anything even close to that. Bomani Jones is calling Sterling a racist with a documented history of racism. He's mocking media outlets for not addressing and pointing out Sterling's racism sooner. He's asking why no backlash has occurred until now (from the NBA, NBA fans, or media outlets).
He literally says that slum lords like Sterling are morally responsible for murdering urban black youth. Honestly, I don't think you've yet listened to the whole tape.
Dunno where you got the idea that I'm backing down from my claim that asking your girlfriend not to associate with minorities is a totally racist thing to do. Again, just because someone asked you to act like a racist doesn't absolve you of racism. No one has ever addressed that argument, Capt. Always On Point. Maybe spend less time on asinine sarcasm and more time writing sentences that directly articulate your point.
For real, look back at your last three posts and identify the sentences that actually make a point and aren't just snide, sarcastic remarks (hint: there are only two of them). Don't get me wrong, I love the sarcasm (7/10 would read again); but, constantly having to guess at your meaning is growing old.
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Jones doesn't say any of that. He doesn't say anything even close to that. [...] Honestly, I don't think you've yet listened to the whole tape.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. If it makes you feel any better, I feel that you haven't listened to the whole video, so our frustration is mutual.
For real, look back at your last three posts and identify the sentences that actually make a point and aren't just snide, sarcastic remarks (hint: there are only two of them). Don't get me wrong, I love the sarcasm (7/10 would read again); but, constantly having to guess at your meaning is growing old.
*yawn*
You see, your problem is that you read my sentences for what you want them to mean - that largely distorts your understanding. Yes, I do like my snide remarks, but if you'd like to start a thread about me and my personality traits, please do so in the Lounge/AR/CN.
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Here is another article about Sterling's reputation as a racist. This incident seems more like a straw breaking the camel's back than a bandwagon.
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=10844516&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2F%22%7D
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pizaaplanet clearly has no argument.
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This incident seems more like a straw breaking the camel's back than a bandwagon.
It would, assuming that what he did this time was actually racist (I hold it's not, but I appear to be in the minority, even if no one can really explain why). But, even then, why are completely unrelated people (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/01/leon-jenkins-naacp-resigns-donald-sterling/8589257/) being held accountable too?
This is nothing but a witch hunt. The PC police was running out of scapegoats, so they picked one that seemed like an easy target, and they're now attacking anyone that's vaguely related.
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This incident seems more like a straw breaking the camel's back than a bandwagon.
It would, assuming that what he did this time was actually racist (I hold it's not, but I appear to be in the minority, even if no one can really explain why). But, even then, why are completely unrelated people (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/01/leon-jenkins-naacp-resigns-donald-sterling/8589257/) being held accountable too?
This is nothing but a witch hunt. The PC police was running out of scapegoats, so they picked one that seemed like an easy target, and they're now attacking anyone that's vaguely related.
He's not unrelated, that link clearly states how he is related and why he's resigning. Hell, it's in the title of the article even. Racism is pretty heavy and while legally Leon Jenkins didn't do anything wrong, people usually do not want to be associated with racism in anyway.
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legally Leon Jenkins didn't do anything wrong
My point exactly. He is entirely unrelated, as far as anything with legitimacy is concerned. Sure, some people decided to make him seem related, probably because they had some ulterior motive in destroying the man's career, one that we'll likely never learn about.
The only thing he's guilty of is being targeted by the mob mentality of dumb masses.
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legally Leon Jenkins didn't do anything wrong
My point exactly. He is entirely unrelated, as far as anything with legitimacy is concerned. Sure, some people decided to make him seem related, probably because they had some ulterior motive that we'll never learn about.
The only thing he's guilty of is being targeted by the mob mentality of dumb masses.
Not really. No one forced him to resign. I doubt he was even put under that much pressure. It seems to me he made the decision that he didn't want to be associated with it at all.
What Sterling said in this instance isn't legally racist, but it's still a social stigma and you can't successfully have stigmas representing anything. Like if someone was caught on tape that they fantasized about little boy bums yet had no child porn and had a totally clean record. They would still come under heavy fire and no one would want to be associated with them or represented by them.
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Like if someone was caught on tape that they fantasized about little boy bums yet had no child porn and had a totally clean record. They would still come under heavy fire and no one would want to be associated with them or represented by them.
Would they be forcefully deprived of their property? Besides, if someone fantasises about boy bums and happens not to do anything bad about it, they cause no harm to society. Leave them be.
And yes, the fact that the professional world succumbs to social stigma is largely my problem with this situation. If he's done something that's actually wrong, take him to court. If he hasn't, stop trying to screw his life up just because some people were offended by what he said.
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And yes, the fact that the professional world succumbs to social stigma is largely my problem with this situation. If he's done something that's actually wrong, take him to court. If he hasn't, stop trying to screw his life up just because some people were offended by what he said.
You have a strange perspective of the world. People are generally not Lawful Neutral and politics/business relies heavily on public opinion.
Your ideal isn't bad, it's just not very human.
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You have a strange perspective of the world. People are generally not Lawful Neutral and politics/business relies heavily on public opinion.
A valid point. I just don't think it's worth ruining people's lives over it.
Your ideal isn't bad, it's just not very human.
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You have a strange perspective of the world. People are generally not Lawful Neutral and politics/business relies heavily on public opinion.
A valid point. I just don't think it's worth ruining people's lives over it.
Your ideal isn't bad, it's just not very human.
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Donald Sterling could sell the Clippers for over 1B dollars and can then retire to the Island he will be able to purchase. The people who will take the worst of this is those Sterling names in the lawsuit for unlawfully recording him.
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Donald Sterling could sell the Clippers for over 1B dollars and can then retire to the Island he will be able to purchase.
He shouldn't be told what to do with his property. The fact that the commodity he's being forced to sell is very valuable doesn't make it better in any way.
The people who will take the worst of this is those Sterling names in the lawsuit for unlawfully recording him.
And rightly so - they appear to be the only people who did anything wrong here.
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Donald Sterling could sell the Clippers for over 1B dollars and can then retire to the Island he will be able to purchase.
He shouldn't be told what to do with his property. The fact that the commodity he's being forced to sell is very valuable doesn't make it better in any way.
The people who will take the worst of this is those Sterling names in the lawsuit for unlawfully recording him.
And rightly so - they appear to be the only people who did anything wrong here.
Maybe so, but saying that his life is ruined is not accurate either. As far as being told what to do with his property, he willfully joined an organization that had forced selling of his franchise as a potential penalty, he is not being blindsided by this eventuality.
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No they do not select a race because they are fast and tall. They select fast and tall people, many of them are black. If there was a dearth of fast and tall chinese women, guess what the league would be constituted with?
There is a dearth of fast and tall chinese women.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dearth
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Maybe so, but saying that his life is ruined is not accurate either.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. It's Leon Jenkins whose life is being ruined, over something he didn't even have control over.
Sterling's life is obviously far from ruined. I think he's being treated unfairly, but he's still set for life. He might have to change hobbies, which is a shame, since it shouldn't happen over something irrelevant to the sport, but oh well.
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Maybe so, but saying that his life is ruined is not accurate either.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. It's Leon Jenkins whose life is being ruined, over something he didn't even have control over.
Sterling's life is obviously far from ruined. I think he's being treated unfairly, but he's still set for life. He might have to change hobbies, which is a shame, since it shouldn't happen over something irrelevant to the sport, but oh well.
Oh yeah. Jenkins stepping down is shite. He tried to dance with the devil and he could not manage the backlash. Too bad, because he was probably using disable donations from Sterling for a good purpose.
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OK thankyou for bringing this to my attention. I have shut down the NBA and banned all the troublecausers for a full 100 days.
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OK thankyou for bringing this to my attention. I have shut down the NBA and banned all the troublecausers for a full 100 days.
Economic meltdown and all out pandemonium coming to an America near you.
Also, a lot of jobless darkies.
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The beginning of the end for the NBA?
http://www.winbeta.org/news/confirmed-former-microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-buys-la-clippers-2-billion