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Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2022, 01:32:28 PM »
And as far as the ship video is concerned, how large a wake do you propose a cruise ship would make?

It will only make a wake to the rear of the ship, with a bow wave spreading out from the sides, always behind the bow.

So, in the video above, where one ship goes away, the other approaches the camera, the second one will have no wake between it and the camera or observer.

Let's do the long hotel corridor, then;

The corridor is 12 ft high from floor to ceiling. You, the observer, are 6ft 4ins tall, so your eyes are at exactly 6 feet above the floor, and 6 ft below the ceiling.

Let's ignore what's happening in the far distance for the moment. Yes, the ceiling, floor and walls APPEAR to converge to a point, but we all know the corridor does not get narrower or shallower.

Do you agree that the floor is, at all points, below your eye level? Eye level is parallel to the floor, at 6 ft above it, so you must be looking downward when you look at the floor, right?

Do you agree that if you look at a point on the floor some 20 ft away, your line of sight to that point, from 6 ft above the floor, passes through a level of 5 ft, 4, 3, 2, 1, 6 inches, down to zero?

It's a straight line of sight, isn't it? No refraction, fog, or other atmospherics to distort it? It doesn't curve upward, then back down to reach the floor. You're looking straight at the floor. Right?
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Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2022, 02:00:01 PM »
Why does the ceiling in the hallway appear to start merging with the floor at a distance?
It doesn't. I mean, if you were in a long enough corridor then I guess at some distance you might not be able to make out the ceiling from the floor.
ITT - AATW writes the classic, "It doesn't, but it does."
But you could zoom in with a decent camera and see clearly the gap between them.
And then further past the original point of merging, a new merging would occur.
But the horizon is a clearly defined line on a clear day and remains so no matter how much you zoom in.
All things appear to be clearly defined on a clear day and this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
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« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2022, 02:02:17 PM »

The horizon is as far as you can see.

It is there, just the same as it would be there if I was in a known to be perfectly level, hallway say of 10 miles distance.

If it is as far as you can see, why can we see objects behind it? Why can I see the horizon, for example, in front of the lower half of a distant ship? Or the sun?
Maybe the words, "where two levels meet," would be satisfatory.
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Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2022, 02:24:52 PM »
Maybe the words, "where two levels meet," would be satisfatory.

No, they would not be satisfactory at all. They would not because they are, firstly, wholly unsatisfactory as a definition or explanation of what the horizon is. Furthermore, they don't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. What is a 'level'? What two 'levels' are we talking about, in the context of a seascape? The sea and the sky? Since when is the sky a 'level'? And if it's where they meet, why is the horizon so close, in relative terms, and what is going on beyond it? Why does it vary in distance with the elevation of the observer?

Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2022, 03:14:33 PM »
But the horizon is a clearly defined line on a clear day and remains so no matter how much you zoom in.
All things appear to be clearly defined on a clear day and this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
It kinda does. A sharp line is usually the edge of something. So in this diagram.
The distant coloured bar would not be visible from a low altitude. From higher up the top portion of it would be visible. From even higher you'd see more.
And the horizon - marked by the smaller black lines - is further away as you ascend.



That's what we observe and it can be explained by a globe earth. At the bottom I've shown the FE scenario. Why would there be a sharp horizon line and why would you only see the top of distant objects? You said the horizon is "as far as you can see". But that can't be true because you can clearly see things beyond the horizon. You just can't see the bottom of them. Why not? The bottom is as far away as the top.
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Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2022, 04:51:37 PM »
And as far as the ship video is concerned, how large a wake do you propose a cruise ship would make?

Apparently, not that big...


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« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2022, 08:10:05 PM »
The wave in Alaska (Lituya Bay, I believe) was over 1700 feet high.
I am not making anything up.

You are.
You are misinterpreting the event.  Read the analysis.   The actual swell in the water (the wave) was about 100 feet however it's momentum drove it (run-up) over 1,700 up the head of the bay.  If there was nothing there to stop it it would never have reached over 100 feet.  It was also an unusual wave that was not traveling at the normal speed of waves in water for that depth.  It was in effect a shock wave that, had it propagated out to open sea, would have slowed dramatically.
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