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Flat Earth Community / Re: Weather Balloon?

« on: November 12, 2015, 11:48:47 AM »

Here's my own result from 24180 meters (24,18 km) above West Sealand, Denmark.

http://andruszkow.dk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/09-10-2015.jpeg

Funny thing, from all the amateur images I've seen with unmodded camera sensors from this altitude, the curvature at display is exactly the same, no matter where in the world the image has been taken.

When will you, for the sake of mankind, just STOP believing in this flat earth nonsense? People are spinning gold off of your gullible nature.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: EVIDENCE

« on: October 26, 2015, 11:55:57 AM »

As I have mentioned in other threads I am a bit of a night sky nut, and satellites are very much there and visible, two main considerations are 1 a dark(ish) sky, few will be apparent from the city, but also the moons phase will affect it, tonight (23rd Oct) it is 3/4 full and waxing so conditions won't be ideal until about the 6th of Nov.

2 Time. Look an hour or two after sundown as they are lit by the sun, (this bit is problematic to the FE model) as they are very high they still catch the light from the sun over the horizon, and as the night wears on those travelling from west to east will go out before they reach the horizon because they move into the earth's shadow.

Look at the stars, the satellites usually are the same size, magnitude and colour but obviously moving (they do not flash), once you get your eye in  you should be able to see 15 an hour.

There are quite a few good sites out there that will tell you what is up there and when, http://www.n2yo.com/whats-up/?c=w ,is a good one as is Heavens Above, both have the times for the ISS which is always worth a look.

Using binoculars or telescopes is very difficult as the buggers move to fast to pick them up, having said that a full transition is about 5 minutes tops.

Have fun.

This is new information to me too. Thank you. I'll actually see how many I can find. I'm fortunate enough to live rural, and our night sky is clear enough that this shouldn't be too hard.

As far as an earlier question about "Why don't satellites crash into each other?" the best answer I could come up with is- "Space is freakin huge."
An analogy was if you took 35,000 cars and pretended that the entirety of the US was 'space' and had those 35,000 cars drive around the country, see how long it would take for two of them to smash into each other. (35,000 is an estimate of how many satellites there are in orbit, from functional, to defunct, to space junk)

Now expand that playing field to something larger than the entire earth, and see how long it takes for two of them to crash into each other. Satellites not smashing into each other is simply a math game.

And to further elaborate, there's the whole "Most of them are travelling in the same direction" thing, since most satellites are launched eastwards (to make use of the free boost from Earth's rotation) near the equator.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Balloon experiment of sunrise/set

« on: October 26, 2015, 11:50:27 AM »

You're grasping at straws.

No, I am not. 

If the earth was a globe with an atmosphere, the "parallel" rays of the sun would wrap around the globe.  There would never be any night time.   That is obviously not the case because the earth is not a globe.

... What? Rays of lighting, wrapping around something? Wait, what?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Pros and Cons for a flat Earth

« on: October 13, 2015, 11:28:47 AM »

If the Earth isn't a globe, how do you explain the picture in the bottom of this blogpost?

If it's not curvature, and the camera has no extended FOV settings applied, then what explains this?


Firstly, the Flat Earth idea does NOT mean a Square Earth. Try taking a circle, a dinner plate for example, look at the edge...what shape is it? It's curved!!

The image you present could either be a ball or a disc......?

Ok, so that at least rules out the "eternal plains" model of Flat Earth.

However, this picture is taken above the east coast of England at 24 km. If the Earth was a disc, I would have to be pretty close to the edge to get this sort of curvature, and according to Flat Earth, England is pretty close to the center of the so-called disc. If you would be able to see this much curvature from 24 km (almost 3 degrees), that would mean that the Earth would have a radius of a little less than 2000km, which isn't even close to the truth even according to Flat Earth models.

"The horizon is flat!" - "No, here's curvature" - "Oh, but it's because it's a disc" - "No, that would be mathematically incorrect" - "Oh, but it's something to do with perception" - "Yes, but that doesn't even fix your plothole with this particular picture" - "Oh, but that's because <insert new excuse here>".

Truth is, you're so set on your misguided beliefs that you will come up with any excuse or unsound mathematical or scientific fact to support an idea that's so firmly nailed to your very existence, that you reject to accept the one and only proven truth: The Earth is a globe.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Pros and Cons for a flat Earth

« on: October 12, 2015, 02:26:09 PM »

We have hundreds of thousands of pics from space and hundreds of actual eye witnesses who have been in space and seen it.

Firstly, the pics from space are dubious at best (no moving clouds/clone-tooled clouds/overly-large continents, and so on). Eye witness accounts?.....anyone NOT affiliated with NASA to corroborate these NASA accounts? No!

Oh, and as far as going into space is concerned....please go to: BBC iWonder - What makes space travel so dangerous? Dara O-Briain (you know, Prof. Cox's side-kick) comments:

In Earth's orbit, astronauts might experience temperatures as low as -129C (-200F) and as high as 121C (250F). Spacesuits have been cleverly designed to protect us from these extreme
conditions. They also provide air pressure to prevent our bodily fluids from boiling in the hard vacuum of space. But astronauts can only travel so far in the spacesuits that exist today. Even
our best suits are limited to a ‘low-Earth orbit’. To push farther into the Solar System we will need a new suit – one that will shield us from the lethal hazards of deep space. But even then,
are we sturdy enough to survive a long mission?

Yet, we are expected at the same time to believe that humans have been to the moon??!! This moon business is a lie.....what else is? The moon-landings are real but we don't as of today have the space-suit tech to get us there!! What gives, Man; what gives?

So are these images genuine? If THE space body has lied about the singular most important space venture ever, do you believe everything else they tell you? WHY?

Cheers.

If the Earth isn't a globe, how do you explain the picture in the bottom of this blogpost?

http://andruszkow.dk/blog/2015/10/09/aha-oplevelse-2/
(ignore the language)

I was following this HAB from start and until it landed, and you could easily see how the curvature got more and more clear the higher the balloon got. If it's not curvature, and the camera has no extended FOV settings applied, then what explains this?

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Announcements / Re: Support independent Flat Earthers - help Darrell complete his experiment!

« on: October 05, 2015, 11:59:07 AM »

Yes, hence my suggestion that you should probably talk to the person who might be able to answer you, rather than airing it into the aether.

You don't need to give my advice. There's no "getting the last word" for you, don't feel so superior all the time. This is a debate forum, and my comment was informative.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Direct flights in southern hemisphere

« on: October 05, 2015, 10:55:52 AM »

People claim that there are no direct flights from South Africa to Australia, but I saw a direct one from Johannesburg to Australia , it was very expensive, but only about 12 hours and some people claim that they actually took the flight, so its not bogus. I know most of the flights go via the east but this really rattle my case.

Well, my good Sir, it rattles your case, because you want to believe the earth is flath. Maybe because it makes the most sense to you in particular (and a VERY few other people on a global scale, think about it), and that is all well and dandy. However, it rattles your case because this doesn't support the Flat Earth Model, and this exact question is left unanswered by those of whom are known to have the most scientific sound evidence for a flat earth.

So in short, it rattles your case, because it in reality disproves what you belief: The earth isn't flat.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Cancer is easily cured with common grocery store items

« on: October 05, 2015, 10:51:44 AM »

If some garlic will kill cancer, then lots of garlic will cure cancer. It's not really such a difficult leap. You might as well tell me it's only possible to get a little wet from my refrigerator's water dispenser.

On behalf of the sane portion of mankind: Your beliefs and those they affect are nothing short but dangerous. You need to seek help immediately.

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Announcements / Re: Support independent Flat Earthers - help Darrell complete his experiment!

« on: October 05, 2015, 10:45:26 AM »

Also, notice how my post has hidden criticism to the budget. I even included how much a Raspberry Pi setup costs with all the necessary sensors.

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Announcements / Re: Support independent Flat Earthers - help Darrell complete his experiment!

« on: October 05, 2015, 10:44:27 AM »

As always, you troll. This message is a reply to a post made by TFES to discuss this news bulletin.

Err... I'm the person who made the original post that you're responding to. I'm not entirely sure what you're on about.

I'm well aware of that - Either way, how does that make my initial comment out of place?

Quick answer: It doesn't. I made that comment, as I've done on the crowdfunding page as well, since this is a Flat Eart Society. This is a debate forum.

Get off that piedestal please.

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Announcements / Re: Support independent Flat Earthers - help Darrell complete his experiment!

« on: October 05, 2015, 09:56:49 AM »

This sounds like a message best sent to the gofundme campaigner, rather than one to randomly drop here.

As always, you troll. This message is a reply to a post made by TFES to discuss this news bulletin.

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Announcements / Re: Support independent Flat Earthers - help Darrell complete his experiment!

« on: October 05, 2015, 07:56:39 AM »

$1000 to complete this with a Raspberry Pi and low-grade HD equipment?

Im doing that exact experiment, although with better camera equipment and a balloon in A-grade material (last flight was 39,8km)

http://andruszkow.dk/stuff.jpg - There's like, $100 worth of electronics here, including all the sensors. $1000 for what?

The experiment itself is awesome - The catalysator for doing it is ridiculous. Boy is he going to be disappointed when he launches at nighttime when the Sun is supposedly on the other side of the globe, and find that he wont be able to see it from his balloon

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Ask Tom Bishop

« on: September 30, 2015, 02:24:06 PM »

No, that's not how you do.

I'll do as I please, thanks.

If you interpret scientific fact

I did no such thing.

you cannot simply say "I provided the same facts, read them yourself"

Damn, it's a good thing I never did that. That would be terrible!

simply because the facts that you refer to are used to support a theory that is, with all fairness, wildly frowned upon and from a scientific standpoint, very far fetched.

I didn't know that the mechanics behind the Doppler Effect are far-fetched or frowned upon. Clearly, we've met very different scientists.

No one with even a trace of authority on scientific matters questions that the Doppler Effect would occur if the waves passed through an accelerating medium. Since no credible opposition exists (other than markjo's "nuh-uh that ain't so!" and your "you said things and I don't like it!", of course), there is no opposition for me to address. If you'd like to question the scientific consensus on the Doppler Effect, I welcome you to present your arguments, and I'll happily address them. However, I do not feel in any way obliged to respond to people who just keep saying "no" without any substantiation.

This is why, you as a provider of facts, HAVE to explain how these are to be interpretted, and add a reference as to how they support the theory you're standing up for.

I've done both of these things.

Science is about supplying evidence that are to CONVINCE your fellow scientists about the correctness of your facts, which through appropiate methodology and observation can be reproduced. This is a mantra, and the only rational mantra.

Yes. It's a good thing I linked to a bunch of Wikipedia articles with a plethora of supporting citations. Otherwise, you almost might have a point!

Flat earthers have a tendency to just leave links to articles they dont give the impression to really understand themselfs, and imply bigotry to those they address. That's why you, on the convincing side of the table, HAVE to explain.

I have to explain the Doppler Effect to markjo because you think I'm a Flat Earther?

What an utterly warped view of science you have. You seem to think that what I am is more important than what I say.

If I, as someone you consider to be a Flat Earther, claim that humans need to breathe in order to survive and provide no evidence to the fact, will you also dismiss that as false because it was said by an FE'er?

With what you've said so far, all you do is leave the impression that you, in fact, don't really know, which is why it is so easy to disregard what Flat earthers say in general; Because of the lack of any evidence what so ever.

Yes, I'm sure telling markjo to brush up on his high school physics and providing good sources to facilitate it was somehow significant. Keep living your dream.

Yes! That's the spirit! A 1½ page of teflon, as per usual with you people.

What a nice day it turned out to be after all.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: What is the Advantage of a Globe Theory?

« on: September 29, 2015, 11:16:12 AM »

10-11km isn't high enough, and of course you'll dismiss evidence from higher altitudes as being manipulated, because it's convenient to do so.

That doesn't explain this video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ih_Qq-WBYY
Or is about 2km enough to make that kind of difference? Either footage could've been manipulated as I did not run the experiment, and yes it is more convenient to just watch a youtube video than build a rocket, I'd bet the only time you've seen outer space is through a video too.

You know what? Unlike many of the flat earthers in here, I actually take it further. That's why I have posted quite a lot of money in a association of volunteers and like-minded Round Earth "believers" to provide true evidence.

Today, the first of 11 packages with equipment arrived.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQDw1JqUsAAmPvW.jpg

We will start building and testing the equipment, and will do a blog and multiple videos about what we intend to do, and also, dismiss any future accusations that we use fish-eye lenses etc. for our experiment.

As we do everything ourselfs, down to the actual propellant for the SRB, there will be no doubt that we aren't using "manipulated" materials.

Ultimately, we will in a course of approx. 10 hours, livestream the assembly, the launch etc. The tiny SRB (solid rocket booster) will be used to bring our experiment even higher than helium balloons will normally do. Our plan is to ignite the rocket as soon as the sensors detect our balloon popping, giving us, ultimately 10-15km worth of extra altitude.

Our goal is 48 km (157.480ft)

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Flat Earth Community / Re: What is the Advantage of a Globe Theory?

« on: September 28, 2015, 11:11:13 AM »

 It can only be viewed as a curve from high altitudes.

I've been on an airplane as well as the top of the empire state building, and haven't witnessed this curve of which you speak... Any footage of higher altitudes such as viewing the planet from space is out of my control and can easily be manipulated in photoshop to support either the FE or RE ideas.

10-11km isn't high enough, and of course you'll dismiss evidence from higher altitudes as being manipulated, because it's convenient to do so.

With all honesty, people believing in flat earth have mental issues. You might say the same, but the difference is, there's a gazillion reproducable evident facts that not just supports, but actually SHOWS that the Earth is a globe.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: What is the Advantage of a Globe Theory?

« on: September 24, 2015, 12:46:05 PM »

Well with a flat earth people will want to know if the earth is infinite or finite, and will go in search of an edge. The edge could very well not be a place TPTB wishes anyone to find. Maybe the edge will beyond a shadow of a doubt imply god, or maybe some nasty creatures, created this place.

I believe the evidence proves that people who like to believe in FE also do not like looking too close. (hence no planes, boats, telescopes, surveying equipment, sextants, sun observations at multiple points at the same time, etc..

There is only one experiment that has ever partially proven a flat (or flat-er) earth and that is that some objects can be seen at a slightly farther distance than the proposed circumference of the Earth would dictate.  FE'ers tend to do this one over and over again.

Yeah well if it is admitted that the earth is flat no experiments will be needed. The only thing left would be to determine if the flat earth is finite or infinite and people would head out to find an edge. In the old days when it was admitted it was flat, that was ok because technology was not advanced enough to get there and come back alive. But today it is very possible which is partly why the globe earth model was invented. And the edge is very possibly a place TPTB does not want anyone to see. All of this is of course is just conjecture.

On the other hand, if the so-called evidence for a flat earth are as convincing and fact-based as all FE'ers claim they are, you have to wonder why nobody has taken up the task.

My guess is, well... Convenience. It's convenient to believe in FE, because grasping the facts of RE and reproducing the results requires more knowledge, and more math. It's convenient not to investigate FE evidence in the physical realm, because, with all due respect, most FE'ers appear to me to be couch/internet warriors. It's convenient not to investigate FE evidence in the physical realm, because the original promoters and founders of the modern day version of FET sit firmly on their asses collecting massive amounts of profit on merchandise. FET leads to other ill-faced nonsense like chemtrails, illuminati (yes, you're all on that very same page) etc. All of which are estimated to be a collected billion dollar industry in the US alone.

The actual thing you're pointing fingers at with the Round earth theory facts are the sole drive of the, just to name a few, flat earth theory, illuminati, and chemtrails. The drive?

Money.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How Clouds Once Again Prove Flat-Earth Theory

« on: September 23, 2015, 02:15:39 PM »

It's so satisfying to witness the biggest of the FE-trolls on this site become mute as soon as someone actually cares enough about shutting them up, to provide very, very simple, reproduceable facts.

I just love it. It makes the world a better place.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Pros and Cons for a flat Earth

« on: September 23, 2015, 11:26:38 AM »

And here's a little lesson in history as well.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Pros and Cons for a flat Earth

« on: September 23, 2015, 08:46:52 AM »

Have fun, and actually LISTEN.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Pros and Cons for a flat Earth

« on: September 23, 2015, 08:44:25 AM »

Tom, I see you use the words "well documented" every freaking time you enter a debate here, and yet, there's no documentation. Never, ever are you able to provide any hard evidence, other than the same stupid explanations and "excuses" for your fragile theories which are basically just a projection of your fragile mind.

Provide SOMETHING, please! Words just don't cut it in 2015.