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« Reply #940 on: August 10, 2014, 12:37:14 AM »
They also didn't become part of the golden skin of a giant robot or create animunculi. As I said, the connection is superficial, but it's more significant than the connection to Dorfs.

No, Alex. It's really not. Maybe appearance wise, but dwarves were no doubt inspired by ancient Mesopotamia to some extent as well (and Tolkien didn't straight up copy/paste their appearance from ancient wall pix like ES did). As far as culture goes, dwemer are more similar to dwarves.

Your logical argument has changed my mind.
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« Reply #941 on: August 10, 2014, 12:38:04 AM »
They also didn't become part of the golden skin of a giant robot or create animunculi. As I said, the connection is superficial, but it's more significant than the connection to Dorfs.

No, Alex. It's really not. Maybe appearance wise, but dwarves were no doubt inspired by ancient Mesopotamia to some extent as well (and Tolkien didn't straight up copy/paste their appearance from ancient wall pix like ES did). As far as culture goes, dwemer are more similar to dwarves.

Your logical argument has changed my mind.

My post has significantly changed since. I took out the entire part about Mesopotamia, because dwarves were obviously based on nordic mythology.


But the logical argument has already been presented many times. We've given you the similarities. Deny them if you will.

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« Reply #942 on: August 10, 2014, 12:40:46 AM »
I'm not denying any of the similarities, other than the claim about height.
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« Reply #943 on: August 10, 2014, 12:42:25 AM »
I'm not denying any of the similarities, other than the claim about height.

I honestly don't know how tall they are. Do you know anything about dwemer women? What do they look like?

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« Reply #944 on: August 10, 2014, 12:47:21 AM »
Play Morrowind and fight one of their ghosts, then. I don't think a Dwemer woman has ever been shown.
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« Reply #945 on: August 10, 2014, 12:48:41 AM »
Are all fictional settings equally generic?

As soon as I gain the almighty power of omniscience, I will let you know if they're all equally generic.

it's more significant than the connection to Dorfs.

No... it really isn't. I mean, at this point, you've already been presented with all the evidence and lists of tropes. I can't say this is anything but denial which I hardly expected from you.

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Having escaped back to Azeroth, Deathwing ended up in a fight with some of the archmagi of Dalaran and feigned defeat, falling into the sea, where most of the council assumed at the time that he died. He was not dead, however, and he took a human guise, pretending to be a heroic noble named Lord Prestor in an effort to be declared king of Alterac, where he could manipulate the Alliance from within.

That was the official lore stance since pre-WoW.

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« Reply #946 on: August 10, 2014, 12:49:42 AM »
Are all fictional settings equally generic?

As soon as I gain the almighty power of omniscience, I will let you know if they're all equally generic.

Are all of the fictional settings that you're aware of equally generic?
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« Reply #947 on: August 10, 2014, 12:49:48 AM »
Play Morrowind and fight one of their ghosts, then. I don't think a Dwemer woman has ever been shown.

Yep. Still don't know how tall they are.


How do I know they are not wearing pumps or something similar under their dress?

Oh, and their ghosts are officially called "Dwarven Spectres".


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« Reply #948 on: August 10, 2014, 12:54:01 AM »
Are all of the fictional settings that you're aware of equally generic?

Do you think I keep a list of every fantasy game I've come into contact with? I'm glad, at least, that you've accepted Morrowind is a generic fantasy game and are now simply inquiring about how generic it is.

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« Reply #949 on: August 10, 2014, 12:57:54 AM »
Are all of the fictional settings that you're aware of equally generic?

Do you think I keep a list of every fantasy game I've come into contact with? I'm glad, at least, that you've accepted Morrowind is a generic fantasy game and are now simply inquiring about how generic it is.

Why would you need a list? If you can't remember very many, just try to think of three or four fictional settings that you know of and tell me if they're all equally generic.
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« Reply #950 on: August 10, 2014, 01:01:58 AM »
Why would you need a list? If you can't remember very many, just try to think of three or four fictional settings that you know of and tell me if they're all equally generic.

Ah, I see. Here is an example of really generic scenery that I found:



Delightfully droll marshlands with stone/woodwork houses and docks. Really, really superb generic fantasy if I do say so myself.

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« Reply #951 on: August 10, 2014, 01:03:52 AM »
Great, now we're really getting somewhere. Now think of a different fantasy setting at random. Is it more, less, or equally generic?
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« Reply #952 on: August 10, 2014, 01:04:59 AM »
Great, now we're really getting somewhere. Now think of a different fantasy setting at random. Is it more, less, or equally generic?

I am now thinking of an equally generic setting. What next?

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« Reply #953 on: August 10, 2014, 01:06:38 AM »
Continue thinking of fictional settings until you can't think of any more. When you're finished, let me know if they were all equally as generic as the first one.
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« Reply #954 on: August 10, 2014, 01:06:56 AM »
Continue thinking of fictional settings until you can't think of any more. When you're finished, let me know if they were all equally as generic as the first one.

Yes.

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« Reply #955 on: August 10, 2014, 01:08:32 AM »
They're all equally generic?
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« Reply #956 on: August 10, 2014, 01:09:18 AM »

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« Reply #957 on: August 10, 2014, 01:11:21 AM »
Why didn't you just say that 10 posts ago when I axed,

Are all fictional settings equally generic?

As soon as I gain the almighty power of omniscience, I will let you know if they're all equally generic.

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« Reply #958 on: August 10, 2014, 01:15:00 AM »
Why didn't you just say that 10 posts ago when I axed,

Well I wanted to see if you mulled over the question long enough to realize the problem.

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« Reply #959 on: August 10, 2014, 01:19:20 AM »
What's the problem?
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