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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon and Sun Angles Don't Line Up

« on: April 10, 2017, 06:59:52 PM »

Tom, the sun doesn't look lower.  The angle between them just appear to not converge.  Tom, did you try the string like the rest of us?

What are you talking about? Does a plane not look lower when it is over head than when it is off in the distance?

That's a perspective effect. You are claiming that the 93 million mile distant sun is lowered due to a perspective effect. The hallway example, the ceiling example, those are perspective effects, something you are attributing this event to.

Here are some pictures of my living room.  When I look left (first picture) the ceiling line appears to point up upwards.  When I look right (second picture) the ceiling line appears to point upwards.   In reality neither points upward.  If the moon phase was in the left corner and at a right angle to the to the intersection line it would appear to point upwards from my perspective. In reality it would point directly to the opposite corner.

Then why do some people think the Sun and Moon are immune to this perspective effect?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: sun rising below the clouds

« on: April 10, 2017, 06:36:41 PM »

Are you implying that the sun is literally ever underneath the clouds?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth map is wrong

« on: April 10, 2017, 06:32:20 PM »

The map is a projection. The distances are meant to be accurate along longitude. There is no flat earth map because there are no flat earth cartographers.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Religion on Flat Earth

« on: April 10, 2017, 05:11:45 PM »

He's not.. If you do worship Him this life, then you will attain an eternal life in heaven.. rather than hell. He created us to see who's the best in deeds. And the best ones have the chance to be there... I know it sounds like a fairy tale due to the society we were born in and this age...

So having the zombified corpse of a murdered man who claimed he was the son of a sky angel,

First off, anybody who doesn't know the difference between the Creator and part of the Creation (Angels) is clearly not very bright. 2nd, Resurrection v. Zombification are radically different things. Not knowing the difference ALSO implies a lack of brains.

tell us we can remove a sin (that was planted by a woman made from a rib,  after eating a magic apple because an evil snake told her too, before we were born), by getting on our knees and telepathically communicating our acceptance of him, whilst symbolically consuming his flesh and blood, then we can go to his place forever as long as we continue to tell him he is great.

The Bible never specifies what the fruit was. Your assumption that it was an apple is, again, an ASSumption. The snake itself was representative of the Devil. Your lack of ability to note this simple fact further casts doubt on your intellect.

If we think this is a tad megalomaniacal, or even unbelievable, and therefore we don’t tell him he is great, he will roast and torture us forever, but he loves us.

Fairytale? And you tell this to your kids?

The fact that someone with your poor level of brains is even allowed to post here speaks VOLUMES for the immense tolerance of this site for third graders. My wife's students could do a better job, and many of them are Special Ed.

My objection is not your lack of belief. In fact, I am totally fine with that. I have known plenty of intelligent (and even a few brilliant) atheists. But you are clearly not one of them. Before opening your pie-hole again, it might serve you well to know what you are talking about. It is one thing to be THOUGHT to be a fool. It is quite another to open one's yap, and by doing so, remove all possible doubt on the matter.

Hey this isn't exactly turning the other cheek here lol... Ofcourse (s)he said some things that would obviously be inflammatory to someone who considered priesthood at some point in his life, but you're not really showing her the shining example a Christian should/would.

And as for andruszkow, the purpose certainly isn't knowable, even though many people from many walks of life and religions will tell you they do know. I can only tell you what my inclination and what helps me to make sense of what I've gleaned.

To me, what the bible and other holy texts reaffirm is that the Creator's is infinite merciful... meaning "He" won't, or possibly can't (because each soul or spirit is a part of "Himself") destroy you for being a dick. 

I'm inclined to believe in reincarnation in some form, and life as we know it being a sort of filtering/refining process. I am inclined to believe that  physical, finite manifestation is uniquely suited to perform this task.

Why the original discord? That's anyone's guess. The "fall" of man has been speculated on since we first postulated that this existence wasn't the only existence, or the highest form of existence.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Religion on Flat Earth

« on: April 07, 2017, 07:25:28 PM »

For me, it makes more sense. If only for the fact that flat earth puts you back at the center of creation, while "round" earth theory posits you on an insignificant speck in an inexplicably vast universe.

Ok, I'll bite.

If the earth is the center of creation, what is the point of us being here exactly?

Good question. Physical existence could be some kind of filter you must pass through to refine your energies to be more in tune with the creator.

If you view the creator as a "source" or "singularity" that your soul or spirit, or whatever you want to call it, seeks to exists in harmony with- it would make sense to have to resolve any discord before you would be able to reconnect with it.

We know everything that exists is a frequency. We know that there is so much about the electromagnetic spectrum we don't know or understand. In my mind, it is more realistic to me that existence is layered into many fabrics, with multiple dimensions existing simultaneous as one. I don't think of God as someone in the clouds, or somewhere in outer space. It is more likely to me that if there are alien beings (ufos, angels, demons etc) they exist in a different spectrum, rather than on a separate, absurdly distant speck of dust. Would it take more energy to slip into a different frequency, or to traverse the entire universe?

For the record, I don't feel insignificant either way. If the earth is round, flat, the center of the universe, or just a speck in an impossibly vast universe. I still believe in a divine energy that animates us, and differentiates us from an identical conglomeration of inanimate molecules.

I think a more divine understanding is that we revolve around something greater than ourselves.  That centrality of God represents the light of life and we reflect it.   

I agree. But that isn't the mainstream thought process. That dictates that our existence is a mere coincidence, as statistically impossible as it would be, and there is no real explanation for the sudden appearance of life and the universe.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 05, 2017, 04:07:17 PM »

And I for one would like to thank you for that, dripping with irony as your statement is.

Are you talking to me? I fail to see any irony in my statement.

This whole thread is just a circle jerk and all any of you actually care about is having your biases confirmed.

Please... please, OH FUCKING PLEASE, tell me how the NSA Director spying on a political opponent is something you want to see more of in the future.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: April 05, 2017, 03:55:33 PM »

TTIOH seems to have run.  Me thinks he's finally realizing how wrong he's been.

Does anyone here care about Susan Rice's unmasking of Trump associates for political purposes?

No?

That's why I'm not engaging in this dishonest conversation anymore.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Religion on Flat Earth

« on: April 05, 2017, 03:54:25 PM »

For me, it makes more sense. If only for the fact that flat earth puts you back at the center of creation, while "round" earth theory posits you on an insignificant speck in an inexplicably vast universe.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 31, 2017, 07:21:54 PM »

It is exactly what it is described as, a witch hunt. Still no evidence has been disclosed.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 31, 2017, 07:21:02 PM »

Wow, I really can't think of a reason why someone would offer testimony in exchange for immunity from prosecution unless they feel they did something they would be prosecuted for. Hm.

TTIOH, please rationalize this from the perspective of a Trump supporter. I can always use a good laugh.

I don't even know if this is real or fake news. I'm going to reserve my judgement until this is verified as true. With the media salivating for any story they can get their hands on regarding Russia, it's not reasonable to expect them to do their due diligence before publishing a story. I've read the release by his lawyer and the word immunity never comes up. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not qualified to read between any lines.

If he feels that an insignificant, non committal phone conversation with a Russian Ambassador who has met and spoken with many figures in the US from both sides of the aisle amount to treason in the eyes of a politically motivated congressional committee, than I guess it makes sense for him to try to protect himself.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 29, 2017, 05:43:46 PM »

Nice, respectable try. Bronze Medal, at best.

So is there, or isn't there, evidence that Trump and his team were under surveillance? I'd hate to dig up your old posts, because I don't really care that much. I remember you unequivocally saying there was no evidence any of it happened. So now you're conceding that it did happen, but just no proof that it happened to Trump himself. If you believe they spied on everyone around him, but not him, then I have some ocean front property in Wyoming you might be interested in.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 29, 2017, 04:26:42 PM »

While you guys were discussing Donald Trump's sex life like the pathetic sexual deviants you pretend to hate, one of Obama's former staffers talks about the administrations late push to leak and disseminate the intelligence they had gathered on Trump, before he could get into office and possibly hide it.



I anxiously await the mental Olympics you guys are going to have to perform to somehow not make this an admission of collecting and leaking intelligence on PEOTUS and his team.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 23, 2017, 04:41:41 PM »

"There is more than circumstantial evidence now [of collusion with the Russians]" -- Rep Adam Schiff D-CA, member of the House Intelligence Committee

Not giving MSNBC a view, can you describe the evidence?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 22, 2017, 10:21:34 PM »

The issue is when you totally ignore facts or act like suspicion is proof.

By all means keep fighting the good fight.  Trump supporters are fast becoming an endangered species.

Yes, its very dangerous to be a Trump supporter now a days. Not just because the acts of violence perpetrated against us, more common is the ostracization as a nazi-fascist-racist if you show anything besides absolute compliance with radical leftist ideology.

I do this on Facebook as well, in blue city in a blue state. Imagine how fun that is.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Ships, Their Movements on the Horizon, and Navigation by Star Constellations

« on: March 22, 2017, 06:26:47 PM »

The point is that the horizon is a known thing but there is no known explanation for it if the earth was flat.

How many times do you have to have it explained to you before you stop saying there is no known explanation?

Optical illusion.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 22, 2017, 06:23:57 PM »

I feel like you guys must constantly be really bored to continue engaging TTIOH as much as you are.

Don't know about everyone else but I'm just too stupid to stop.

Would you guys rather be engaged or are you trying to setup one of those, what's it called again, safe spaces?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 21, 2017, 06:36:47 PM »

blah blah blah

You are going to be so fucking sad when they finally admit they found no ties to Russia (whatever that is supposed to even mean). Still no evidence to date.

Trumps people were watched, that is a fact. Whether Obama personally ordered it (plausibly deniability, we'll never know) and whether it was in Trump Tower is not the only issue.

The Five Eyes is the combined intelligence communities of US, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. One agency can easily ask another to monitor one of their own citizens and then share the information with each other, in a perfectly legal, albeit completely unethical loophole.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Ships, Their Movements on the Horizon, and Navigation by Star Constellations

« on: March 21, 2017, 06:24:14 PM »

Please answer me this... Can you get to the horizon?

Can you travel to it. Can you set the horizon as your destination and actually reach it?

No. It is not a real place. Why is this so hard to understand?

Naval Radar and Sonar screens have a circle on them, and that's supposed to be evidence of the earth being round?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Ships, Their Movements on the Horizon, and Navigation by Star Constellations

« on: March 21, 2017, 05:48:32 PM »

On a spherical earth the horizon is a real place.  That location is dependant on the topography and the elevation of the observer.  It's location can be predicted, measured, and is consistently at the same place when observed from a give  observation point providing that its not obscured by the weather.

Under absolutely no circumstance is the horizon a real place.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 21, 2017, 05:14:16 PM »

But the accusations were twofold.
1. The FBI wiretapped Trump/Trump Tower.  Neither of these things happened.
2. Obama ordered it.  Also did not happen.

The FBI director has called Trump's accusations unsustainable.  Q.E.Fuck'n D.

Ok, but good thing the FBI Director isn't the one leading the investigation.

1. You don't know that.
2. Still don't know that.

Just because you say something confidently and affirmatively doesn't make it true. You think you'd know that as much as you criticize Trump for doing the same thing.

And since you understand that the US wiretaps all foreign diplomats, is it beyond possibility that one of the "five eyes" is watching our diplomats, perfectly legally, I suppose, and they could be sharing information with our intelligence agencies, which is promptly being leaked by #nevertrumpers?