The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Rushy on December 10, 2022, 10:41:30 PM
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Why is so much of our modern world regulated?
It's obvious.
It's important that society enforce certain standards upon itself so that, collectively, everyone may benefit from the standardization of certain processes. For example: guns. Virtually all nations on this planet have some regulations on ownership of deadly weapons. Yes, some have tougher regulations than others, but they all have some regulation. For the purpose of debate, let's just look at the West. The West has lots of regulations, from housing and labor to production and education, they have it all! Yet, there's something missing. Something I think is more important than the other things, more important than most of them combined...
Children.
Any two morons can produce a conga line of children without any form of regulation whatsoever! What the hell? Who thought that was a good idea? You know what's infinitely more dangerous than a gun? A small child. There's factories for them walking around right now and no one has considered that maybe those factories need to be closed. Every moment of every day, filthy uneducated masses are producing more of themselves with no thought whatsoever as to the effect it will have on civilization.
Therefore, a proposal: you must attend training and acquire a license before you are allowed to have children. This includes fathers and mothers. Does this mean it's now illegal to have sex? No! It means it's illegal to do so with the purpose of reproduction without a license. What happens if a mother gets pregnant anyway? Abortion. That's right. Mandatory abortions for any unlicensed parent-to-be. You know it's the right thing to do. Support parental licensing today for a better future tomorrow!
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A surprisingly good take.
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It's true, we need it
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Too bad we'll never get it. Just think of all of the missed opportunities.
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Any two morons can produce a conga line of children without any form of regulation whatsoever!
Can you be more specific about the lack of regulation? There are encyclopedic-sized works on family law.
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But what if you end up preventing the birth of the man who killed Hitler!
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But what if you end up preventing the birth of the man who killed Hitler!
More importantly, what if you end up preventing the birth of the person that can definitively proof the earth is flat?
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Pointless.
Parental licensing has two major flaws.
1. No enforcement of lessons taught while parenting. How would you know the parents are actually raising said child properly?
2. Easy to hide pregnancies for people who failed the license test. Then what? The foster care and adoption system can't even handle shit now. Add a few hundred thousand more kids and its not gonna be pretty.
A required class to teach basic baby care, however, would be an excellent idea.
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But what if you end up preventing the birth of the man who killed Hitler!
Nice paradox; Hitler killed Hitler.
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China had it going on for decades. We can probably look to their One-Child thing to see how such functioned and resulted.
The term one-child policy (Chinese: 一孩政策; pinyin: Yī Hái Zhèngcè) refers to a population planning initiative in China implemented between 1980 and 2015 to curb the country's population growth by restricting many families to a single child. That initiative was part of a much broader effort to control population growth that began in 1970 and ended in 2021, a half century program that included minimum ages at marriage and childbearing, two-child limits for many couples, minimum time intervals between births, heavy surveillance, and stiff fines for non-compliance.
Implementation of the policy was handled at the national level primarily by the National Population and Family Planning Commission and at the provincial and local level by specialized commissions.[7] Officials used pervasive propaganda campaigns to promote the program and encourage compliance. The strictness with which it was enforced varied by period, region, and social status. In some cases, women were forced to use contraception, receive abortions, and undergo sterilization. Families who violated the policy faced large fines and other penalties, such as firings and restrictions for future careers.
Laws, propaganda, surveillance, fines, penalties, exceptions, contraception, abortions, sterilizations...Pretty much all you need, the whole shootin' match.
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Any two morons can produce a conga line of children without any form of regulation whatsoever!
Can you be more specific about the lack of regulation? There are encyclopedic-sized works on family law.
ITT: Tom mistakes laws for regulations.
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China had it going on for decades. We can probably look to their One-Child thing to see how such functioned and resulted.
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Laws, propaganda, surveillance, fines, penalties, exceptions, contraception, abortions, sterilizations...Pretty much all you need, the whole shootin' match.
Yes, a totalitarian state like China is probably the only way that such a program could work. Although it looks like Indonesia is working on their version of it.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/05/asia/indonesia-new-code-passed-sex-cohabitation-intl-hnk/index.html
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But what if you end up preventing the birth of the man who killed Hitler!
Nice paradox; Hitler killed Hitler.
That's exactly my point!
Hitler could still be...
Wait...
Shit....
I'm going to have to think about this some more.
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Jakarta...
Under the version passed Tuesday, sex outside marriage carries a potential one-year prison term though there a restrictions on who can lodge a formal complaint. For example, the parents of children who are cohabitating before marriage have the authority to report them.
As well as introducing new offenses, the code also expands on existing laws and punishments. Blasphemy laws have increased from “one to six provisions” and can now lead to a maximum five-year prison sentence, according to a draft document.
Not only can you not get it on outside of marriage, but you can't even talk smack about the President or Allah.
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Any two morons can produce a conga line of children without any form of regulation whatsoever!
Can you be more specific about the lack of regulation? There are encyclopedic-sized works on family law.
ITT: Tom mistakes laws for regulations.
Do you have any evidence that there are no regulations included under the term "family law"?
https://gillespieshields.com/family-law-101-all-the-basics-you-need-to-know/
"Family law has its own set of rules and regulations which differs from state-to-state or country-to-country."
https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/family-law/california/
The term “family law” refers to rules, regulations, and court procedures relating to the family unit.
https://www.capronlawllc.com/areas-of-law-practice.html
"Family law," therefore, refers tо rules, regulations, аnd court procedures involving thе family unit.
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Do you have any evidence that there are no regulations included under the term "family law"?
Are there any family laws that dictate who is allowed to bear children?
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Do you have any evidence that there are no regulations included under the term "family law"?
Are there any family laws that dictate who is allowed to bear children?
Yes. Over half the states in the US, including liberal sanctuaries like California, New York, and Vermont allow, and indeed still engage in, forced sterilization of undesirables. Laws allowing this have been created even in recent years.
https://19thnews.org/2022/02/forced-sterilization-guardianship-reproductive-justice/
(https://i.imgur.com/hSLLMA8.png)
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Over half the states in the US, including liberal sanctuaries like California, New York, and Vermont allow, and indeed still engage in, forced sterilization of undesirables. Laws allowing this have been created even in recent years.
So, what procedure does one need to go through to not be forcibly sterilized in those states?
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Over half the states in the US, including liberal sanctuaries like California, New York, and Vermont allow, and indeed still engage in, forced sterilization of undesirables. Laws allowing this have been created even in recent years.
So, what procedure does one need to go through to not be forcibly sterilized in those states?
Well, if it is noticed that you are too dumb or deformed, you can be sterilized against your will. The solution to that is not to draw attention to yourself that you are overly dumb or deformed.
In other cases if a judge determines that a woman is unable to take care of herself, but this might not be a permanent state, he might take the measure of ordering her to be placed under conservatorship and put on forced birth control.
Definition of conservatorship: "A probate conservatorship is a court proceeding where a judge appoints a responsible person (called a conservator) to care for another adult who cannot care for him/herself or his/her finances (called a conservatee)."
Notably, this happened to Brittany Spears:
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/conservatorship-iud-britney-spears/
For Women Under Conservatorship, Forced Birth Control Is Routine
Advocates were not surprised when Britney Spears said she wasn’t allowed to have her IUD removed. They’d heard similar stories before.
' In June, Britney Spears spoke publicly for the first time about her conservatorship. In a harrowing 24-minute testimony, Spears laid out the ways in which having almost no decision-making power has curtailed her ability to live her own life over the past 13 years. She told a Los Angeles judge she has been forced to perform, forced to take medication she did not want, and, perhaps most shocking to the general public, forced to use contraception. Spears told a Los Angeles judge, “I have an IUD inside of myself right now, so I don’t get pregnant. I wanted to take the IUD out, so I could start trying to have another baby, but this so-called team won’t let me go to the doctor to take it out, because they don’t want me to have children—any more children.” '
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Over half the states in the US, including liberal sanctuaries like California, New York, and Vermont allow, and indeed still engage in, forced sterilization of undesirables. Laws allowing this have been created even in recent years.
So, what procedure does one need to go through to not be forcibly sterilized in those states?
Well, if it is noticed that you are too dumb or deformed, you can be sterilized against your will. The solution to that is not to draw attention to yourself that you are overly dumb or deformed.
So there's nothing stopping irresponsible or undesirable people flying under the radar from making babies that they can't or won't support. Good to know.
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So there's nothing stopping irresponsible or undesirable people flying under the radar from making babies that they can't or won't support. Good to know.
It's supposed to be your social responsibility to report inadequacies to the authorities. It's a reactive system. Neighbors, friends, and family, all have a social responsibility to report. It is taken a step further with teachers, counselors, doctors, and police, who are given a mandatory responsibility to report.
In a sense, your capacity as a parent is always being evaluated. You are being continuously evaluated and tested by your community. This far more oversight than only a test for a license, which can be cheated or not applied. Nor can a test force you to be responsible and attentive to your children. Every day you are being watched, and every day you are being tested.
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I guess the same applies to driving a car.
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So there's nothing stopping irresponsible or undesirable people flying under the radar from making babies that they can't or won't support. Good to know.
It's supposed to be your social responsibility to report inadequacies to the authorities. It's a reactive system. Neighbors, friends, and family, all have a social responsibility to report.
Do you think people who can't understand crepuscular rays would count as being deemed too dumb to reproduce?
There is some merit in this idea. You do get some parents who pop out baby after baby without any ability to look after the child, so the children are either removed or have a terrible upbringing which often leads to the cycle repeating.
You have to have a licence to be able to drive a car, why should you be able to pop out a baby without any checks and balances?
Obviously defining who is able to do so and enforcing it are the tricky parts.
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It's a reactive system. Neighbors, friends, and family, all have a social responsibility to report.
Which is exactly the problem; people don't get reported until it's too late and the damage is already done. Rushy is proposing a proactive system requiring any prospective parents to prove that they are qualified to bear and raise children.
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You have to have a licence to be able to drive a car, why should you be able to pop out a baby without any checks and balances?
Hey man, keep your reproductive rights laws off my body…oh wait, never mind, we already allow that…
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Do you think people who can't understand crepuscular rays would count as being deemed too dumb to reproduce?
I do not think that you are too dumb to reproduce. You have my blessing on this to proceed.
There is some merit in this idea. You do get some parents who pop out baby after baby without any ability to look after the child, so the children are either removed or have a terrible upbringing which often leads to the cycle repeating.
You have to have a licence to be able to drive a car, why should you be able to pop out a baby without any checks and balances?
Obviously defining who is able to do so and enforcing it are the tricky parts.
There is oversight in the US. Your entire community is watching you and will report you to the authorities if need be. If you are found by the government to be mentally or physically disabled you can be sterilized against your will. Mental and physical retardation is flagged by the school system at a young age. If you are a woman found to be unable to take care of yourself you can be put on forced birth control like Brittany Spears. If you do have children and are unable to take care of them, they can be be taken and provided for.
There is no test which can predict who will become an irresponsible parent, who will treat their depression with drugs, or who will not express enough to love their children. The problem is not a lack of knowledge of basic parenting - even someone with the mentality of a twelve year old knows the basics.
It's a reactive system. Neighbors, friends, and family, all have a social responsibility to report.
Which is exactly the problem; people don't get reported until it's too late and the damage is already done. Rushy is proposing a proactive system requiring any prospective parents to prove that they are qualified to bear and raise children.
I would encourage you to read up about the eugenics experiments in America over the last hundred and fifty years. It has been done and tried in an official capacity with by doctors, psychologists and family therapist progressives with the approval and support of State governments and the US Government. The Supreme Court even upheld the procedure of sterilizing people based on IQ Test. These attempts to discriminate based on intelligence failed to gain traction, however, and are considered flawed.
Again, basic parenting isn't really a matter of intelligence. Above the level of mental retardation, people with low intelligence know basic parenting. People with low intelligence can be good parents. The problem is not a lack of knowledge, or a lack of intelligence.
For example, someone may be eligible and pass the tests necessary to get into college, but there is no test that can predict whether they will drop out of college. People may start college and then become overwhelmed by life and drop out. They may be distracted by recreational activities, relationships, jobs, or fail due to lack of interest. There is no way for a school to predict that.
This has been closely studied for a very long time. If there was a feasible way to predict this, it would have been done and in place in at least a few areas.
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There is no test which can predict who will become an irresponsible parent
I guess the 1,000 monkeys at typewriters who write your posts were bound to come up with something reasonable sooner or later.
That's a fair point.
I do think there's "a problem" here, but it does feel like any potential solution probably just causes more problems.
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Again, basic parenting isn't really a matter of intelligence.
I never said it was. I also never said anything about an IQ test being a criteria for a parenting license.