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Flat Earth Community / Re: Women in Flat Earth Movement
« on: November 03, 2017, 01:07:13 AM »
Hey there,
I was wondering what people's thoughts were about the fact that there don't seem to be many women active within the flat earth movement. Do you think there is a reason for this, and how would you seek to rectify it? :)
Hello and Welcome to FES!

Oh contrare monfrare! Im unshore abowt the actuel demagrafics of the curint Flat Earth movmint, but won of the earlyist and most importint modern Flat Earthers was a woman, Lady Elizabeth Blount, who fowndid the Universul Zetetic Society after Rowbothams deth and evan editid a jornul of the society cald "Earth: a Monthley Magizine of Sense and Science". Also, Charles K. Johnsons (who was presidint of FES from 1971-2001) wife Marjorey survd as the societys Secratarey and cuntributid much to "Flat Earth News". As to how many woman are part of this forum I no not, but the othur FES has a woman, Space Cowgirl, surving as a mod and I beleive ive seen many othur female posturs thruowt my time here in FES. All becuz theres a posibilitey that these fora are made up of mostley men dosint mene there arent plentey of othur female FErs owt there who dont use the forums, or that FES is any way unacomadateing of woman (are historey proofs qwite the contrarey!)!
There are plenty of women involved in FET, some are vocal, some are not.
If you have a look at the various meet ups and read the youtube comments you will find its quite high.
Truley inded! Thank you Dither

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE orbit of planets
« on: November 03, 2017, 12:13:19 AM »
But in FET the Mercury and Venus are the only two planets that orbit over and underneath the sun right?
Otherwise they could not be closer than the sun on both the inner and outer hemispheres.
I dont think Mercurey and Venus orbit over and undurneth the Sun (as in north-sowth, if thats what your saying). When I sayed they were closur I ment they were closur to the North Pole in an east-west direction, not nesasareley undurneth the Sun

Not all the planets orbits are exacley simalar to the won shown in the diagram. Yes, they all orbit around the sun wile the sun orbits abuv the Earth thus explaneing retrograde motion. However only Mercurey and Venus wuld look exacley like the diagram ,ware those planets are at won point batween the sun and the North Pole/Hub. The orbits of Mars and the owter planets are largur then the distinse batween Earth and the Sun so they are nevar batween the Earth and the Sun. So to anser your qwestion, all the planets have the same basicks as in the diagram, but no,only Mercurey and Venus are batween the Sun and the North Pole
If FE explains retrograde motion using a circle within a circle for planets that orbit between the sun and the Earth, then there would have to be a different explanation for ones that orbit in a larger circle around the sun.
Oh contrare. The same explanation extends to the owter planets, as the suns motion around Earth also creates retrograde motion for Mars, Jupitur, etc. The grete astrominur Tycho Brahe expland retro motion using this argumint as seen from his geoheliocentric "Tychonian sistum" balow:

This concep is furthur expland in this link:
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38305/how-is-retrograde-motion-explained-in-tychos-model
Do you also subscribe to the belief that the sun is 3000 miles above the Earth? If so, does that also mean that Mercury and Venus are also 3000 miles above us, somewhere between the sun and north pole (during that part of their orbit)?

No I dont, I beleive the Sun to be aproximitley 93 milion miles away and 865,000 miles in diamiter. However, I wuld asume that those who beleive in the close sun thoery also beleive that Mercurey and Venus are abowt the same distinse, but I think somewon who subscribes to that thoery wuld be beter sewtid to anser your qwestion

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Another mass shooting...
« on: November 02, 2017, 08:45:24 PM »
This one in Las Vegas, Nevada where gun laws are super lax.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lasvegas-shooting/at-least-50-dead-more-than-200-hurt-in-las-vegas-shooting-idUSKCN1C70FU?utm_source=34553&utm_medium=partner

It's sad but I'm so used to hearing about this stuff I just can't find myself caring anymore.

Still got shot by police and not a normal citizen though. :/
This brutul shooting is PROOF enuf that ALL guns must be band imediateley, and the pepel who sold them the guns lockd up in PRISIN! In my opinyin (wich is fact!) the primarey falt is on the evil rascist gunnut REPUBLICENS who only rasist gun cuntrul to carey owt there plan of GENASIDE agenst there oponints! And I find it SHAMFULL that Trump alowd this shooting to hapen undur his watch so a large chunk of the blame gos to him! But most importintley it turns owt the shootur was a MOSLUM! ISIL raveled that he had cunvertid to Mohamadenism six munths before the shooting thus furthur proofing that the vast majoritey of Islams are TERORISTS! We serousley need to do something abowt the Islam problum in America, baning the Islams mite be the WON thing I agree with Trump on! So the cawses of this shooting were Islam and Republicens!

I agree. All guns must be banned and outlawed. To the people who sold that old bastard those guns - they should be charged with accessory to murder. They facilitated the deaths of all those innocent people and to they even profited from it!!!! Disgusting!!!!

The politicians who refuse to ban the guns should also be locked up for sheer utter negligence for allowing this to happen in the first place. They are tasked with protecting the people. Not overseeing the slaughter of them. For shame!!
Absiluteley! I dont wanna here any of that nonsense abowt "backgrownd checks" we need to BAN all of these murdur mashines! The only thing there good for is KILLING so I dont care abowt what some wite hick says abowt using them for "hunting" (wich shuld also be ilegal) or "targit practise", that is nuthing but an excuse for them to plan anuther mass shooting. And yes the gun shop ownurs and Republicens shuld not just be lockd up but shuld get HARSH sentinses for there crimes. Suporting gun rites is just as bad as comiting the shooting itself! Grete minds think alike Shifter!

And lets also not forget the majer role Islam playd. I dont get why NO medea netwurks are talking abowt the fact that he workd for ISIL!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Another mass shooting...
« on: November 02, 2017, 04:58:47 AM »
This one in Las Vegas, Nevada where gun laws are super lax.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lasvegas-shooting/at-least-50-dead-more-than-200-hurt-in-las-vegas-shooting-idUSKCN1C70FU?utm_source=34553&utm_medium=partner

It's sad but I'm so used to hearing about this stuff I just can't find myself caring anymore.

Still got shot by police and not a normal citizen though. :/
This brutul shooting is PROOF enuf that ALL guns must be band imediateley, and the pepel who sold them the guns lockd up in PRISIN! In my opinyin (wich is fact!) the primarey falt is on the evil rascist gunnut REPUBLICENS who only rasist gun cuntrul to carey owt there plan of GENASIDE agenst there oponints! And I find it SHAMFULL that Trump alowd this shooting to hapen undur his watch so a large chunk of the blame gos to him! But most importintley it turns owt the shootur was a MOSLUM! ISIL raveled that he had cunvertid to Mohamadenism six munths before the shooting thus furthur proofing that the vast majoritey of Islams are TERORISTS! We serousley need to do something abowt the Islam problum in America, baning the Islams mite be the WON thing I agree with Trump on! So the cawses of this shooting were Islam and Republicens!
The shooter was an old white guy.
I'm relieved.  Now a minority group can't be blamed.
Inded. If it had ben a person of coler like myself then the rascist fascist media networks wuld all be saying "oh look a black guy (they use that raciel slur cuz there rascist) shot up a bunch of pepel. All black (sorey) pepel are murdururs"! And this wuld especialey be true and intense undur a Trump presidinsey (aka Thurd Ryche reincarnatid!)! It reley is idiotick and irationel to blame a hole groop basd on the actions of won person wich is why I am a CHAMPEIN of tolerinse!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE orbit of planets
« on: November 02, 2017, 03:40:39 AM »
The TFES wiki https://wiki.tfes.org/Planets has an article about planets. It claims that while the sun orbits the hub of the Earth (I guess that means the center we see as the north pole) and that the planets in turn orbit the sun. It also says that the retrograde motion that we see in the path of the planets across the sky is because of the combined motion of the planet orbiting the sun and the sun orbiting the north pole.



It doesn't explicitly say this, but to me that seems to imply that the orbits of all the visible planets have similar orbits to the diagram on the page, putting their orbits within the distance from the north pole/hub to the sun. Is this understanding correct?
Not all the planets orbits are exacley simalar to the won shown in the diagram. Yes, they all orbit around the sun wile the sun orbits abuv the Earth thus explaneing retrograde motion. However only Mercurey and Venus wuld look exacley like the diagram ,ware those planets are at won point batween the sun and the North Pole/Hub. The orbits of Mars and the owter planets are largur then the distinse batween Earth and the Sun so they are nevar batween the Earth and the Sun. So to anser your qwestion, all the planets have the same basicks as in the diagram, but no,only Mercurey and Venus are batween the Sun and the North Pole

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Purgatory
« on: June 07, 2015, 09:42:43 PM »
I think that shadow banning would contravene the society's mantra of free speech. Ensuring someone only speaks in a particular area does at least allow them to have interactions with others and say what they want. If you prevent everyone from seeing someone's posts, you effectively disconnected them from the society. If you are going to do that, you may as well have the balls to ban them properly.
Exacley! Thankyou th*rk you are a TRUE American and FEr!
I'm English! >o<
My apaliges Dr. Th*rk!
Aside from the obvious fact that being 1/32nd black does not make you a person of colour except in your own head, let us assume you WERE  a person of colour. I haven't seen  anyone insult you for being such. What evidence do you have to indicate or prove that your placement in Purgatory is due to colour and not to your constant insults toward anyone who disagrees with you? So far, all you have done since your return is indicate that anyone who challenges your view of the world must be stupid, a racist, etc. As I see it, you have made people dislike you by your own rudeness and disrespect toward others. If you learn, as I did, to be courteous, you may find that it is returned by others, including the Censors.
First of all how DARE you call me "BLACK"! Do you know how ofensive that is to me as a person of coler! That is a horibel racial slur and I think that you are HILEY insensativ!!! And reley? You havint seen ANYWON that has insultid me in a rascist way?! *cough* yakoov *cough* You just caled me a raciel slur for crying owt lowd!!! And I dont tell pepel there stupit/rascist becuz they disagre with me. I tell them that there stupit becuz there stupit and that there rascist becuz there rascist and frankley your both!
EJ, please tone it down in S&C. The reason you can still post here is that we'd like to keep S&C open to all forum users, even those in Purgatory, as it's important that people can have their say regarding the way the forum is run. However, if you're just going to throw around insults and unfounded accusations without contributing anything, that will change.
Stop playing inicint with me Parsifal we both know you have your predjidices. But plese tell me what I need to do to get back into the uper fora! If you tell me what to do and let me back in ill do it! Plese!!!!!!!!!!

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Purgatory
« on: June 07, 2015, 08:54:41 PM »
Okay im just gona come owt and say it if no won else will: the reson as to why this is all hapining to me is obvousley becuz I am a person of coler. And I find it vary ofensive and disgusting that I am undergoing such discrimation and rascism. Being of coler isent a crime and i think its vary unforchinit that whats going on here isent a hate crime. And wunce agen aluding to the Constatushin did not George Washintin rite in there that all men and women are CREATID (unlike what the stupit monkee science of EVILution wants you to beleive) equel? Yeh exacley.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Purgatory
« on: June 07, 2015, 08:31:38 PM »
Well, perhaps because the FES is NOT the Government, but a privately held concern, and therefore not subject to the constitution of any country, that might be your first mistake. For someone in college, and taking a politics course, you really need some remedial studies on the subject of what is, and what is not, covered by that document.
Prove to me that it says this. And evan if it did FES wuld be amiting there anti-American by praventing are free speche. And are politicks techer teches us that the constatushin is the praduck of evil rascist wite men who wanid to keep pepel of coler in slaverey and frankley I agre. She and my African American studies profeser are probz the onley to things that are keeping me from droping owt (tho im still considering it tho).
Perhaps it is possible to have a punishment role. They can post, but no one can see their posts, and they are forever talking to themselves thinking that they are being ignored.
What kind of sick horibel monster are you?! That is not simpel punishmint that is crool and unusuel torchur! I am sickined that anywon culd evan consider such a thing! Only a republicen wuld think of something like that!
Perhaps it is possible to have a punishment role. They can post, but no one can see their posts, and they are forever talking to themselves thinking that they are being ignored.

This has been suggested multiple times at this point and Parsifal claimed it wouldn't be hard to implement. "Shadow banning" people seems like a good way to punish repeat offenders, causing them to waste their own time trolling. It would take many posts before someone realized they've been shadow banned. It does wonders for Reddit, it could work here too.
No it wuldent!!! This is digusting why wuld you want to play such a sick joke on somewon?!
I think that shadow banning would contravene the society's mantra of free speech. Ensuring someone only speaks in a particular area does at least allow them to have interactions with others and say what they want. If you prevent everyone from seeing someone's posts, you effectively disconnected them from the society. If you are going to do that, you may as well have the balls to ban them properly.
Exacley! Thankyou th*rk you are a TRUE American and FEr!
I have to agree with Th*rk. What's the point of shadow banning when you could just hand them a regular ban? It's better for the offender and the society as a whole that they know they are being punished and what they are being punished for.
Thank you for standing up for America blacko! Such a mezsur wuld be pure evil!
Shadow-banning is definitely chicken-s**t. If you are going to ban someone, do it openly and honestly, or put them in Purgatory. But don't fake them out with a shadow-ban. That's crap.
Wow. Histerey has been made! For wunce I actuley agre with yakoov! Inded such a thing wuld be a abuse on are rites as Americans!!!!!!

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Purgatory
« on: June 07, 2015, 05:54:37 PM »
EJ was put in Purgatory knowing full well the potential consequences of his actions, and with a history of ineffective bans with no sign of improvement. I waited until after he had seen and replied to this thread to give the move my support so it wouldn't come out of nowhere from his perspective, and he continued to repost the same things we'd already moved to CN in the upper fora after that point.

It's not something we plan to dish out lightly. I sincerely hope we never have to put anyone else in Purgatory again, but it's there as a last resort for people who can't (or don't want to) be rehabilitated.
What warning did you give me? And I cuntinud to repost that thred becuz I had a serous concern and you kept on ignoring me. Yes it was an act of rebelein but I did it becuz of your tyriney. It says rite in the constatushin that when power becums tyranicel the citizins have the rite to altar or abalish it. Bam.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Purgatory
« on: June 07, 2015, 05:49:27 PM »
What?!! I dont understand this why was I sent to Purgitorey? And plese just dont send my post down to CN just here me owt plese: as far as im concerned I have not brokin any rules. I do vent my anger owt in the lower fora but thats why there the lower fora for crying owt lowd! Plese tell me what I need to do to get owt of here. You must amit that I act vary aproprietley in the uper fora. Wunce agen I have not brokin any rules far as im concerned and I am a palite and civil forum member. Just tell me what I need to do!

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Purgatory
« on: June 06, 2015, 06:31:25 PM »
A technique that was trialled fairly successfully on the other site is the idea of "Purgatory". That is, a special group for chronic rule-breakers where bans have proven to be ineffective, which allows them to post only in CN and AR, but still browse the other fora. I've just created such a group, and we intend to begin using it effective immediately to deal with repeat offenders.

One thing I'm undecided on is whether members in Purgatory should be able to post in S&C. On the one hand, this enables them to continue to have a voice in how the forum is run. On the other, it also allows them to cause trouble in at least one upper forum. Thoughts?
This hole purgatory thing sownds like a HORIBEL idea!!!!!!! You are trampeling on our 3rd amendmint rites to free speche!!! Such a tyranicel step that wuld be! Parsifal must be a republicen thats why he hates free speche and he is almost as bad as bush! This is why FES is going to heck in a handbaskit!!!!!!!

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Flat Earth Society Honorifics
« on: June 06, 2015, 02:53:13 PM »
Would anyone else be interested in these? Specifically I'm thinking of an Honorary Doctorate to be bestowed by the society upon any member who significantly advances Flat Earth Theory (i.e. if John Davis ever published his book and it was as significant as he claims it is). If it were to happen the Zetetic Council would be in charge of it.

I'm also thinking of something analogous to a peerage for someone who does something significant for FES outside of FET.

Is this a good idea? A terrible idea?
Grete idea!!! And I wuld be honered to be in it!  :) !

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I am so glad to here that Ireland has changed there opresive law and let same-sex cupels marey!!! Any tipe of law discrimating agenst gays is a CRIME AGENST HUMANITEY and anywon that suports such a law is worse than flippin hitler and ALMOST as evil as bush! Now its time to bring this progresive atitude to the USA and get the sapreme cort to FINALEY let gay cupels evereywere make there love oficiel and let them adop childrin!!! I flippin hate these stupit homophobic rascist republicens who are geting in the way of progres! We shuld throw all of them in JAIL!!!
I have an easy solution for you, Thork. If you find same-sex marriage so repulsive, don't marry a guy.
Exacley good job parsial!!! Th*rk is a homophob! If you dont like it then leve!!!!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: South Pole
« on: June 06, 2015, 01:15:24 PM »
According to my Dual Earth model of a flat Earth, both the North and South poles may exist as distinct points. This is not the classical Flat Earth model, it should be said, but Flat Earth theory does not inherently contradict the notion of two poles.
Exacley. The monopoler theorey is onley beleived by ignorent peopel who know nuthing abowt gealigey. Besides photos from space show that antartica doesent circel round the earth. Tis comon sense.
Spellcheck please.
No low content posting plese!

According to my Dual Earth model of a flat Earth, both the North and South poles may exist as distinct points. This is not the classical Flat Earth model, it should be said, but Flat Earth theory does not inherently contradict the notion of two poles.
Exacley. The monopoler theorey is onley beleived by ignorent peopel who know nuthing abowt gealigey. Besides photos from space show that antartica doesent circel round the earth. Tis comon sense.
Photos from space are well-known to be faked. There are entire sites dedicated to showing that and sharing that knowledge (further, spaceflight is impossible under the dual earth model: providing a shared motive, no one wants to be the first space agency to admit failure).
And just why exacley is spaceflite imposibel in the duel earth thoery? All you have do to is make a rockit ship go boom and flys into the sky! So plese tell me o wise won (sarcasim obvz)!
According to my Dual Earth model of a flat Earth, both the North and South poles may exist as distinct points. This is not the classical Flat Earth model, it should be said, but Flat Earth theory does not inherently contradict the notion of two poles.
Exacley. The monopoler theorey is onley beleived by ignorent peopel who know nuthing abowt gealigey. Besides photos from space show that antartica doesent circel round the earth. Tis comon sense.
Photos from space are well-known to be faked. There are entire sites dedicated to showing that and sharing that knowledge (further, spaceflight is impossible under the dual earth model: providing a shared motive, no one wants to be the first space agency to admit failure).
Are you OK with the concept of satellites for broadcasting, communication and location information?
They are not satellites. Something does not need to be in space in order to transmit radio waves.
The existence of A does not prove the non-existence of B.  Satellite TV and GPS work with satellites.  Prove otherwise with verified details.  My TV dish points into the sky to the same object as a dish 500 miles away.
Exacley! You can take your telascope owtside and see the sattalites for shentons sake!!! The conspiracey is just a flippin mith and shows the apitame of ignorence. Even are societys fownder amitid that the photos were reel when he said "It's easy to see how a photograph like that could fool an untrained eye"!

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Sun behind the horizon.
« on: June 06, 2015, 02:27:25 AM »
Hi everyone. !st of all i'd like to intruduce my self. I come from Poland and I am 32 years old. I do study the theory since a while but still got a few not answered questions. Like for example, what is happening with the sun after it disappears behind the horizon? If the earth is relaly flat we should see the sun all the time if it is a glowing ball no metter the distance. There should be less light but i dont have an explanation for the sunset. In some parts of the world the sun at the sunset is really big. Enlight me someone please.
Greetings and welcome to FES studint!

You see the sun circels above the earth and what looks like a sunset to us is actuley just the sun runing its corse. What hapens is that it moves away from us and is hiden away by the atmisphere thus creating the fenominon of day and nite! Its as simpel as that !

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: South Pole
« on: June 06, 2015, 02:07:20 AM »
According to my Dual Earth model of a flat Earth, both the North and South poles may exist as distinct points. This is not the classical Flat Earth model, it should be said, but Flat Earth theory does not inherently contradict the notion of two poles.
Exacley. The monopoler theorey is onley beleived by ignorent peopel who know nuthing abowt gealigey. Besides photos from space show that antartica doesent circel round the earth. Tis comon sense.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Political compass
« on: June 06, 2015, 01:55:41 AM »


Your Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.9

Prowd progresive!!!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: curvature of the earth
« on: June 06, 2015, 01:23:12 AM »
Hello. I am new here. I am interested in the flat earth based on youtube videos and conversations with others. But I have to get over one thing. I just cruised from Miami to the Virgin Islands. And on the ship my whole family could see the curvature of the earth. They commented on it many times. I saw it myself. If the earth is flat how could we see the curvature of the earth on a ship with our eyes. I am not talking about pictures with a camera. We saw the curvature with our eyes.

What do you say about that?
Greetings yung one and welcome to FES!

As the others were saying your eyes are daceving you. Even if you were abel to see a curvachur it wouldent be the curvachure of the earth it would be the circel of sunlite on the part of the earth thats day

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Suggestions & Concerns / I am facing unfair persecution in FES
« on: August 10, 2014, 03:28:28 AM »
Okay, look guys, we really need to fix this. My concern to the Zetetic Council is that nearly every time I post in these fora, my posts pretty much always get moved to Complete Nonsense. I mean, some of them I'll admit I went a little too far in (I just get so emotional sometimes), but even when I post something that has absolutely nothing wrong about it, it will still get moved down to CN. Just recently I posted something in FEG:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=1796.0

Anyway, as you can see, there was absolutely nothing wrong with this (or anything that I said), so it is obviously quite unfair that it was moved! It is safe to say that I am being persecuted in FES by one of the mods; and trust me, I already know what persecution and oppression feels like, being a super-duper uber proud African-American! Please fix this and stop whoever keeps on moving my posts.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Re: Transgenderism
« on: May 24, 2014, 06:52:20 PM »
Why the flip was my post deleted?!! Can someone plese flippin explain thus to mez?!! #stupititey

They were moved to CN, not deleted.
BUT WHYYYYYYYY?!!! DA FLIPPIN FLIP?!!!! #WHYYYYYY????!!!!!!!

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